Cool I'll send out a manual reminder next week.
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On 01/11/2017 01:16 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
Let's move the meeting to next week. My schedule is very busy this week.
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Hi folks!
I am volunteering to talk to some local area high school students about
design thinking so I won't be available at our usual time to chair the
meeting.
Would anyone like to chair the meeting in my stead? Or, we could move
the meeting to next week,same time. Thoughts?
Thanks,
~m
Sorry to just do a link dump! I have another meeting to run to. :(
zodbot (IRC)
Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-12-15/design-team.2016-12-15-15.11.html
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-12-15/design-team.2016-12-15-15.11.txt
There is one big guideline I forgot -
No Fedora logos on the wallpaper!
~m
On 12/01/2016 09:03 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Salva,
The references are for creating the default wallpaper for Fedora 26 from which
other pieces are typically derived (media art, release party posters, etc.)
Some
> All strike a chord in some way (I really like 1 & 2) -- scrolling down the
> page on #1 I came across this:
>
> https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/fs/72668d44947139.58231...
>
> It's different than the black up front. As mini-landscapes, you get
> the texture via brush strokes
Sure, send it out! Looking at visual styles now we don't need it yet, but the
subject matter would come from the inventor so we'll need that ASAP.
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Hi Salva,
The references are for creating the default wallpaper for Fedora 26 from which
other pieces are typically derived (media art, release party posters, etc.)
Some specs for the wallpaper (we should probably have this up on the wiki
somewhere; if anybody has time/interest to document
Here's another one:
http://eyeondesign.aiga.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/wendy-design-studio-aiga6.jpg
It's a neat pattern rght? And it has that texture on it that I'm starting to
see everywhere.
This piece is by the French studio called My Name is Wendy, and the article
about it is here:
Canonical is incorporated in the Isle of Man. The Fedora Project's
trademarks are under United States trademark law.
Please believe me when I again say that I wish we could offer them for
open download, but we cannot. The reasons for this are quite sound.
Artists remix artwork all the time
On 11/28/2016 02:52 PM, Salva Vivas wrote:
The normal thing is that you make it easy for us to collaborate. I need
logo and resources as typographies because I want to familiarize with
your material.
I would love it if we could offer the logos as a self-service download
but it's out of my
And just to reply to myself... :)
1) One thing I'm thinking about maybe is texture. For example, iconic symbols
that are normally very clean / aseptic in a very texturized sort of hand-drawn
/ natural form...
https://www.behance.net/gallery/44947139/Snejana-Hill-Cosmetics
2) Another idea -
Hi everybody!
Now that F25 is out, it's never too early to start thinking about F26.
:) Has anybody seen any cool designs lately that maybe could serve as
some inspiration for Fedora 26? We seem to have a recurring theme now
about the intersection of technology and nature, so someideas along
Hi Akash!
(More below)
On 11/22/2016 07:14 AM, Akash Krishnan wrote:
I am a newbie here in fedora. I wish to contribute to fedora design,
as my interest lies in creativity, so I would like to be a part of
fedora design and wish to be there in the community with the other
developers. :)
Hi Naitik!
On 11/17/2016 11:46 AM, Naitik Chandak wrote:
I am Naitik here from India. I am much interested in development of
Fedora. I want to know about the process of joining a developer's team
of Fedora, I also want to contribute in Design team.
What I shared with Edilberto applies to
Hi Edilberto!
Welcome! We meet in IRC every other week in #fedora-design on freenode at 1500
UTC. Whether or not you can make that time, you can certainly read through our
meeting minutes and ask questions and we can bring them up at the meeting for
you. We also have a set of tasks we're
Hi everybody!
APAC folks, we triaged up and thru ticket #478, so you'd want to start with
#477 and work your way down.
Here is the high-level summary of today's meeting:
Open Floor
=
- We welcomed Kyle, Salvas, and Edilberto to the team.
- PSA: pingou upgraded us on pagure, we can now
Hey Kyle!
On 11/17/2016 12:35 AM, Kyle Reynolds Conway wrote:
Been working on getting involved. Appreciate the help so far. It seems this is
one of the places to check in on so I'm creating a thread, saying hello, and
asking for tips on getting started. Appreciate the work you do!
Welcome! I
Hi Salva!
(more below)
On 11/15/2016 10:28 AM, Salva Vivas wrote:
I'm new to Fedora proyect.
I would like to collaborate with you but I do not know very well how
to do it.
I'm tv director and designer. I work mainly in motion grafics and work
in the corporate image team of Atresmedia spain.
Hi everybody,
Just a random observation I noticed this morning while reading the AIGA
newsletter - the Transavia visual identity created recently by Studio Dunbar
looks related to the Fedora visual identity. Kind of neat.
http://studiodumbar.com/work/transavia
~m
Hi everybody!
Just as a quick follow-up to this meeting reminder - yes this meeting is
happening! Thanks to Micah, this will be our first meeting trying out our new
pagure.io repo:
https://pagure.io/design/
Hope to see you there!
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Hi Zdenek!
To award cookies, you give someone a +1 or ++ in IRC. For example, if nirik
helped you, in a #fedora-* channel where the zodbot is present, type 'nirik++'
and that will give him a cookie.
You can only give a person 1 cookie per Fedora release cycle.
Hope this helps, let me know if
OK I got it now.Someone was subscribed with rtgkid@gmail which
apparently pointed at trebleclefbarry@icloud => pointed at some hotmail
address. I removed the rtgkid from the list. (Sorry rtgkid, if you're
out there!)
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On 10/20/2016 04:56 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
Would a mailing list
I don't know if someone got to this before me, but I triple checked and
that address is not a member of the list.
It's a bit weird the hotmail postmaster is sending you a message about
an icloud email failure.
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On 09/28/2016 07:42 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
First (obvious item) is to go through the tickets that the APAC folks
currently own, but beyond that, any agenda items would be awesome!
To keep the two halves of the team in sync, it should be a standing
agenda item to review the other team half's
Hi folks,
No time for a summary but here they are:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-09-22/design-team.2016-09-22-14.01.html
Meeting summary
roll call! (mizmo, 14:01:59)
F25 / deadlines (mizmo, 14:04:22)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule (mizmo,
Hi Lucious! Welcome to the group! You may have already seen our getting started
information to join the team:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Design_Team
The major component of the process of joining the team is completing a small
task. We just had our weekly meeting and there are a
Hi folks,
A quick high-level summary, with the meeting link at the end -
1) We need to migrate to pagure by February 2017. We talked about creating new
tickets in pagure from here on out (I made http://pagure.io/design for us) but
on second thought let's hold on that - I want people to be able
Hi Scott,
Do you have a non @zoho.com email address you can use?
~m
On 08/30/2016 03:20 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
We had over 300 zoho.com accounts created in a month that were used to
spam the website. At that time there were 0 zoho.com accounts which
weren't being used for spam and we
Hi Emerson!
On 08/25/2016 11:48 AM, Emerson Santos wrote:
My first task: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/479
Fantastic! I just wrote up a quick critique with some guidance for you;
I hope it's helpful!
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BTW I just spoke with robyduck and got him a mockup for the banner - we're
going with something more generic / extendable (using the design on the right
side):
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fedoradesign/nextweb-assets/master/Mockups/Prerelease/prerelease2.png
~m
Hi!
(Just as some background, I asked Mary to look for some inventors with A and
think about some visual ideas at the end of last week before gnokii sent out
the survey!)
So it looks like Archimedes is on the survey as well - seems like he might be a
good choice as you guys both
Hi Rigo!
Welcome to the list!
It sounds like you have a lot of experience. :) Do you have a link to any of
your works so we can get an idea of your style / approach to design? Then we
might be able to come up with a good project for you to work on.
Cheers,
~m
Hi Emerson!
Welcome to our list!
Have you given Gimp or Inkscape a try? Do you need help trying them out?
Cheers,
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Hi folks,
I can't make this meeting due to a prior commitment, and it'll be hard for
Sirko bc it's 1 AM his time. Can anybody make this meeting? Basically you just
speak up and give our status.
~m
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To: "Fedora +
Hi Everybody!
Here's the meetbot logs:
Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-08-11/design-team.2016-08-11-14.12.html
One thing that came up during the meeting is this ticket:
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/421
We decided that doing an overhaul of the
e need to do for
>design and put also on track and wiki.
>Hope to be online on next meeting.
>Have a great day.
>
>
>
>2016-08-10 20:13 GMT+03:00 Máirín Duffy <du...@redhat.com>:
>
>> Hi Catalin,
>>
>> I'm confused - what are you trying to say?
>>
>&
Cool - Marie and Masha should have gone over how to go thru the ticket queue on
the badges site and pick out badges to work on, so hopefully you're familiar
with the process now. I don't know if you had an opportunity to pick a badge at
the workshop, but if you did, that would be a good task to
Just as a non-automated aside, this meeting is happening tomorrow, and this is
going to be the official North American / South American / EMEA design team
meeting slot.
The APAC folks still need to work out a time, but their meeting would be next
week.
~m
Hey Sylvia!
So one of the issues we talked about at the Design FAD last weekend was that we
typically don't have a lot of tasks for new contributors to do anymore - we've
become too efficient and finish our tickets too quickly. :)
But one thing we have talked about is letting folks who design
Hi Catalin,
I'm confused - what are you trying to say?
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Hey everybody,
The workshop we're doing at the FAD is completely sold out as of yesterday! \o/
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Hi!
Our next team meeting is this Thursday at 1400 UTC (10 AM Eastern) - I
think we should definitely talk about the workshop we're doing as part
of the FAD.
This is our event announcement:
Hi Kirk!
On 06/30/2016 02:07 PM, Kirk Bridger wrote:
Feedback: I'm not sure why the Download button would be hidden. The
logos don't really have any affordances for exposing actions on hover,
and there seems to be plenty of space for hints or even action buttons
(above, below, or on the
On 06/30/2016 01:28 PM, Elio Qoshi wrote:
Hey Mo, is the Atomic icon final? It's kind of in a different style than
Workstation and Server. Maybe we can simplify it more?
Yep, that's the final. It's derived from the upstream Atomic Project
logo. See
On 06/30/2016 01:22 PM, Kirk Bridger wrote:
Plunker is finicky to share - the run.plnkr.co link only works while the
plunk itself is running in your browser (assuming you're looking at the
edit screen), and even then the run stops after a couple of minutes of
no editing to the files.
I've had
On 06/30/2016 12:55 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
- need to put buttons for all , not just for ATOMIC;
Yep, definitely! The thought there is that the button would appear when
you hover; only Atomic's button is shown just as an example of what it'd
look like on hover (I know it's unclear without
> > > - need to put buttons for all , not just for ATOMIC;
> >
> > Yep, definitely! The thought there is that the button would appear when
> > you hover; only Atomic's button is shown just as an example of what it'd
> > look like on hover (I know it's unclear without reading the explanation.)
I
Hi!
We're having a meeting today in roughly 1 hour and 20 minutes... 10 AM
ET, which is 1400 UTC I believe. I may be a few minutes late because
I have a 9:30 meeting right before it.
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Hi Catalin! Thanks for the feedback!
> - need to put buttons for all , not just for ATOMIC;
Yep, definitely! The thought there is that the button would appear when you
hover; only Atomic's button is shown just as an example of what it'd look like
on hover (I know it's unclear without reading
Hi everybody :)
A project I'm working on is converting the cloud edition page of getfedora.org
to be the "Atomic" edition, and mocking up a new "cloud images" site (similar
to the ARM site) for the cloud stuff. This is something the Cloud WG has been
talking about for a few months.
Anyway,
My UTC times were all wrong, I went in the wrong direction :(
I updated the wiki with all the correct times and linked to the fedocal which
also has the correct times:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design#Meetings
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Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-06-22/fedora_design_team.2016-06-22-11.46.html
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-06-22/fedora_design_team.2016-06-22-11.46.txt
Log:
Hi folks,
Okay so we've had some hiccups with our time shifting / every other => weekly
meeting shift. Here's where we're at right now:
* Tomorrow (Wed June 22) there will be a meeting. We're calling this timeslot
#2. It's at 7:30 AM ET (3:30 UTC.) (see
Hi folks,
So we're a go for the Design Team FAD late next month.
Part of the event is an outreach event we wanted to do in the local
community - a badges hackfest.
I created an eventbrite registration page for it so we can try to
advertise the event and see what kind of interest we get.
Hi,
On 06/05/2016 10:41 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
1. Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors
to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise)
2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN
3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general
bleed size but
Hi Elio!
On 06/05/2016 03:47 PM, Elio Qoshi wrote:
This is a work in progress and I plan to update more resource sheets
soon so we can update them on the design resources page of Badges
http://elioqoshi.me/owncloud/index.php/s/5qxByVAP9AADqTO
Feedback is welcome!
Thanks for the work!
I
So last meeting we decided to keep the meeting times as
Tuesdays 21:00 UTC / 17:00 Eastern US
alternating with
Wednesdays 11:00 UTC / 07:00 Eastern US
Nobody showed up for the Tuesday meeting today... so I am wondering, can
folks make Thursday at 14:00 UTC / 10:00 AM ET? That was the second
Hi folks,
Sorry for the off-topic post, but I was wondering if anybody here is
also a translator and could help me out with something?
Thanks,
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Hi!
So I just set up the two meeting times in the design calendar:
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/design/
One issue tho - In a couple more weeks or so I'm not going to be able to
make the other meeting time (I've been working from home, but I'm going
to start going into the office to
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- Original Message -
From: "Máirín Duffy" <du...@fedoraproject.org>
To: "Fedora Design Team" <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 5:36:47 PM
Subject: [Design-team] Design Team Meeting Tim
Hi folks,
So our whenisgood results are very split! mleonova and I were talking
about it in IRC and were thinking maybe two meeting times, rotating
every other week, would work.
This is what I'd suggest:
---
Week 1
Tuesdays, 2100 UTC / 5 PM EDT
Week 2
Wednesdays, 1100 UTC / 7 AM EDT
Hi Luya,
Masha and I worked on an updated version of the wallpaper. We tested it
and it should not have the issues cited in the message anymore.
If anyone wants to test it, download it here:
https://github.com/fedoradesign/f24-wallpaper/raw/master/f24_wallpaper_m/standard/f24_standard.png
I
If Masha doesn't have time to work on this, I'll make the fixes - adjusting
brightness is *not* a big deal and is one of the reasons we strive to get the
wallpapers out in alpha, so things like this can be picked up on.
It sure would be a whole lot more fun, though, if people could find it in
Hi folks,
I sent out a whenisgood.net a couple weeks ago to see when we should have
our meeting. Unfortunately, we're pretty widely dispersed so the time
results weren't great:
http://whenisgood.net/fedora-design/results/imgepc5 (note the timezones on
this chart will be bogus for you if
On 04/14/2016 01:45 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
Thanks for the link, Gnokii !!!
I am glad to hear hard works are used by a professional photographer.
Also credit to team and people encouraging me to maintain Design Suite.
Wow, major kudos Luya
~m
Hi!
Here's our meetbot link from the meeting today:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-04-07/design.2016-04-07-12.06.html
Full logs:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-04-07/design.2016-04-07-12.06.log.html
Quick copy/pasta summary is below:
1) We're going
Hey!
So our meeting time isn't working out since US daylight savings time kicked in.
Let's try to set another time. Here is the whenisgood:
http://whenisgood.net/fedora-design
Let's try to fill this out by April 19th so we'll have a new time set before
the next meeting?
~m
Hi,
This is badge design for an event happening tomorrow, can any design team
members who might be around be able to double-check the artwork and set as
artwork_approved if it's good to go?
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/436
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On 03/28/2016 02:47 PM, Brian Proffitt wrote:
Thanks all for the text updates! I just sent the SVG files to Máirín,
and I can update the text after the design changes. Sound cool?
I made a design team ticket for it and came up with an initial design
for it to match the python shirt:
Hey,
On 03/29/2016 09:48 AM, Brian Proffitt wrote:
Except there is a file size limit on the Trac system (mentioned in the
first message on this thread). Each file alone is too big.
Whoever has admin on the trac instance can up that value. (We had to do
this on the design-team trac.) The
On March 27, 2016 2:37:04 PM EDT, Luya Tshimbalanga
wrote:
>Montserrat just arrived in Fedora and EPEL testing repositories.
That was quick! Thank you *so much* Luya, how awesome to get these packaged! I
will test tonight when I have access to my laptop. Thanks
Hi Brian,
On 03/24/2016 01:12 PM, Brian Proffitt wrote:
As per ticket #219[1], I have updated the Fedora Python brochure to
include more current information. The updates are almost all around
content, I left the design elements pretty much alone.
I'd like to open a design team ticket so we can
On Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:54:22 PM EDT, Robert Mayr wrote:
If we want to do that we should take these task to Design ASAP,
to give them enough time to produce them. Thoughts?
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/430
:)
Happy Easter!
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Hi folks,
With the new getfedora.org, we've started using OpenSans in a lot of design
work for body text and have phased out using Cantarell for that purpose.
Similarly, while we still use Comfortaa for our sublogos (for teams and
projects), we've started using Montserrat for headlines and
This issue, as with all other issues we deal with on the websites team, will be
prioritized accordingly.
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Hi folks,
mleonova and I met today and did some ticket triage. It was only us two
who showed up - should we try changing the meeting time so more folks
can make it? Is the time a barrier?
Anyhow here's the meetbot minutes:
The members of the web team can address any issues and have the necessary
skills to do so. Thanks for your feedback.
On March 22, 2016 6:02:10 PM EDT, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>Hey Matthew,
>
>I don't have the necessary skills to remove the white halo. Seeing as
>it's already
schedule earlier to
do this regularly to get more feedback on the artwork.
~m
On March 21, 2016 4:27:48 PM EDT, "Paul W. Frields" <sticks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:08:12PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> The artwork was ready to go during my leave (3 week
The artwork was ready to go during my leave (3 weeks agi) so I'm not sure what
broke down here - I checked before the readiness meeting and the packages had
been built. So what exactly is the issue?
~m
On March 21, 2016 11:36:29 AM EDT, "Paul W. Frields"
wrote:
>Changing
t;aspect?
All of this is not constructive. Here is a suggestion as to what all of the
above should have said:
"Where is the website repo?"
The rest is unconstructive and ranty.
~m
>
>Thank you for your response,
>Nadim
>
>From: Mái
On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim@nadim.computer wrote:
However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a bunch of
sentences that either make very specific technical references or in general
contribute little value to selling the project. These could be fixed by
focusing on a
Hi,
Here are the meetbot log links:
Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-03-10/design-team.2016-03-10-13.01.html
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2016-03-10/design-team.2016-03-10-13.01.txt
Log:
So here's some text you could use for the rule:
---
Badges will not be pushed before meeting several requirements, including the
"artwork approved" flag. Each badge requires the artwork approval of two
designers - the designer who designed the badge, and a member of the design
team. The badge
If it helps, I remember Subhendu took a few of the shots.
~m
On January 25, 2016 11:51:11 PM EST, Remy DeCausemaker
wrote:
>On Jan 25, 2016 23:04, "Justin W. Flory" wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If you haven't heard already, the CommOps team is helping
You cant distribute this here.
On December 22, 2015 11:48:43 AM EST, Bryan Sutherland
wrote:
>I don't think it should have changed too much, so here's the svg and
>the
>legal links. If I shouldn't be distributing here please let me know.
>
>-
>
>Please note
Did it seem like they really wanted t-shirst specifically and would be willing
to purchase, or were they generally looking for freebies?
(This might come across badly, but I feel like if you can afford to go to LISA
you can afford to buy a t-shirt.)
~m
Hi folks :)
So here are the meeting minutes from our presentation to the Fedora Council.
Both myself and riecatnor were there to represent:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/council/council.2015-11-05-18.00.html
Here's sort of a quick summary of what we discussed (I basically used what
We were testing it to see it on Hyperkitty :) See
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/design-team%40lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VQOYQ2KBNUX7BCFETXLTB72IDIXOZYOQ/#JNKZY7BMKLXFFAGAGOTT64IW6FDS4VA7
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Hi folks!
gnokii raised this during the meeting today - now is a good time to talk
to jkurik if we want any modifications to our team schedule. The current
F24 schedule for us is here:
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-24/f-24-design-tasks.html
A couple of other things we brought
Hi,
We reviewed the draft wiki page kirkb did for us today in the team
meeting and decided to go ahead and push it to the main page. So I just
did that. :) The only edit I made was to update to our new meeting time.
Take a look here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design
Any issues /
Hi folks,
Sorry for the flurry of emails :)
Here's the minutes from today's meeting:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2015-11-05/fedora-design.2015-11-05-13.03.html
No summary this week - I'm taking the time I'd normally use to write it
to instead try to close up some tickets
On 11/05/2015 03:38 PM, Alexander Smirnov wrote:
Sorry, I have a very, very heavy schedule at the moment :( I really
want to come back for the next release :)
Cool! No issues and we are more than happy for you to come back for next
release :)
~m
Hi!
I noticed inkscaper didn't have F23 media artwork this time around (hope
everything is okay, inkscaper! :() and Jiri needed it pretty quickly to
get some media printed up. He is having Workstation 64-bit media made so
I just focused on that. The label design is the same, maybe a bit
On 11/04/2015 03:36 PM, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
Hi Mo,
I'd like to say an error in the text - not so big, but noticeable. Can
you change in the requesting for sourcecode text "22" number to "23"
before gets printed or it's too late? (2 times in text, 1 time in the
source code link address)
I can't make an hour later (this is why we waited until DST ended for this
meeting.)
I'm giving the preso (no slides) so maybe we should reschedule. I can be much
more flexible if we can meet during one of my working days (T / W / R.)
~m
On November 2, 2015 8:15:14 AM EST, Matthew Miller
(Sorry for top posting, on phone)
I can do 1 est wed or thu, I'm pretty open beyond that too.
~m
On November 2, 2015 8:39:20 AM EST, Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
>On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 08:21:37AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> I'm giving the preso (no slid
On 10/28/2015 12:23 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
Is the developer portal for *Developers of Fedora* or *Developers that
use Fedora*? I know the second likely includes the first, so it is is
the second, we need to make that clear.
It is the second. Developers that use Fedora, but don't necessarily
Want to see what happens if I attach an image :)
~m
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It's been a while since we've heard from you; do you need help or have any
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