[pywikibot] Re: Newbie question: TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable - on exit of pywikibot script

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Hi Florian,

no generator was specified. You should choose one of the pagegenerators option 
I guess:
https://doc.wikimedia.org/pywikibot/master/api_ref/pywikibot.pagegenerators.html#generator-options

> HandleCommonsOnOSMBot(generator=gen_factory.getCombinedGenerator(), **options)
gives just None for the generator attribute.

Best
xqt

> Am 31.05.2024 um 16:36 schrieb tohuuu :
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> on my first steps with Python and Pywikibot, i encounter the following 
> strange error message:
> 
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19__init__.py,  373 in _flush: VERBOSE  
> Dropped throttle(s).
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19http.py,  119 in  flush: VERBOSE  
> Closing network session.
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19http.py,  123 in  flush: VERBOSE  
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "", line 198, in _run_module_as_main
>   File "", line 88, in _run_code
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\Scripts\pwb.exe\__main__.py",
>  line 7, in 
> sys.exit(run())
>  ^
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\site-packages\pywikibot\scripts\wrapper.py",
>  line 516, in run
> if not execute():
>^
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\site-packages\pywikibot\scripts\wrapper.py",
>  line 492, in execute
> run_python_file(filename, script_args, module)
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\site-packages\pywikibot\scripts\wrapper.py",
>  line 149, in run_python_file
> exec(compile(source, filename, 'exec', dont_inherit=True),
>   File ".\HandleCommonsOnOSMBot.py", line 192, in 
> main()
>   File ".\HandleCommonsOnOSMBot.py", line 188, in main
> HandleCommonsOnOSMBot(generator=gen_factory.getCombinedGenerator(), 
> **options).run()
>   File 
> "C:\Users\florian\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python312\site-packages\pywikibot\bot.py",
>  line 1470, in run
> self.generator = (item for item in self.generator)
>  ^
> TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19http.py,  132 in  flush: CRITICAL 
> Exiting due to uncaught exception TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> 2024-05-31 16:23:19http.py,  137 in  flush: VERBOSE  
> Network session closed.
> 
> This error encounters when my script is finished and pywikibot closing the 
> network session. For the complete source code, please see
> 
> https://github.com/tohu/HandleCommonsOnOSMBot/blob/main/HandleCommonsOnOSMBot.py
> 
> I took the part starting with "def main(*args: str) -> None:" from 
> https://doc.wikimedia.org/pywikibot/stable/library_usage.html - maybe this 
> isn't the correct way to use it? Since the bot code works fine, it looks like 
> a minor problem, but i'm curious if i did something wrong.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Florian
> 
> 
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[Geoserver-users] Problem with GetMap request with an ogc:Filter with only Polygon geometry

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Hello ,

We noticed a problem with an ogc:filter getMap request. ( GeoServer 2.24.2 )

It is only if you have a Within Filter without another extra filter option.

So what is wrong:

FILTER=

http://www.opengis.net/gml
xmlns:ogc=http://www.opengis.net/ogc>geomhttp://www.opengis.net/def/crs/EPSG/0/28992>154852 464024 155048 463679 155303 463736 155082 464086
154852
464024

 

https://workshop.kaartviewer.nl/geoserver/wms?REQUEST=GetMap=WMS
SION=1.3.0=image%2Fpng==true=geonovation%3A
energielabels_amersfoort&=2133=1103=EPSG%3A28992=15410
3.54602300984%2C463421.92378041224%2C156015.80503340586%2C464410.9202373514&
FILTER=%3Cogc:Filter%20xmlns:gml=%22http://www.opengis.net/gml%22%20xmlns:og
c=%22http://www.opengis.net/ogc%22%3E%3Cogc:Within%3E%3Cogc:PropertyName%3Eg
eom%3C/ogc:PropertyName%3E%3Cgml:Polygon%20srsName=%22http://www.opengis.net
/def/crs/EPSG/0/28992%22%3E%3Cgml:exterior%3E%3Cgml:LinearRing%3E%3Cgml:posL
ist%3E154852%20464024%20155048%20463679%20155303%20463736%20155082%20464086%
20154852%20464024%3C/gml:posList%3E%3C/gml:LinearRing%3E%3C/gml:exterior%3E%
3C/gml:Polygon%3E%3C/ogc:Within%3E%3C/ogc:Filter%3E

 

This url gives an error in geoserver ( Rendering process failed. Layers:
geonovation:energielabels_amersfoort -> Caused by:
java.lang.NullPointerException at
org.geotools.filter.spatial.ReprojectingFilterVisitor$GeometryFilterTransfor
mer.transform(ReprojectingFilterVisitor.java:437)

 

 

But when I have the following URL, with added on ogc:And and a random extra
filter ( in this case 0>=0), then it is working OK!

 

Filter=

http://www.opengis.net/gml
xmlns:ogc=http://www.opengis.net/ogc>
geom154852.87672948933 464024.4568953283 155048.54203767146 463679.5184417369
155303.4218767874 463736.1500901585 155082.0111295965 464086.23693005764
154852.87672948933
464024.456895328300

 

https://workshop.kaartviewer.nl/geoserver/wms?REQUEST=GetMap=WMS
SION=1.3.0=image%2Fpng==true=geonovation%3A
energielabels_amersfoort&=2133=1103=EPSG%3A28992=15410
3.54602300984%2C463421.92378041224%2C156015.80503340586%2C464410.9202373514&
FILTER=%3Cogc:Filter%20xmlns:gml=%22http://www.opengis.net/gml%22%20xmlns:og
c=%22http://www.opengis.net/ogc%22%3E%3Cogc:And%3E%3Cogc:Within%3E%3Cogc:Pro
pertyName%3Egeom%3C/ogc:PropertyName%3E%3Cgml:Polygon%3E%3Cgml:exterior%3E%3
Cgml:LinearRing%3E%3Cgml:posList%3E154852.87672948933%20464024.4568953283%20
155048.54203767146%20463679.5184417369%20155303.4218767874%20463736.15009015
85%20155082.0111295965%20464086.23693005764%20154852.87672948933%20464024.45
68953283%3C/gml:posList%3E%3C/gml:LinearRing%3E%3C/gml:exterior%3E%3C/gml:Po
lygon%3E%3C/ogc:Within%3E%3Cogc:PropertyIsGreaterThanOrEqualTo%3E%3Cogc:Lite
ral%3E0%3C/ogc:Literal%3E%3Cogc:Literal%3E0%3C/ogc:Literal%3E%3C/ogc:Propert
yIsGreaterThanOrEqualTo%3E%3C/ogc:And%3E%3C/ogc:Filter%3E

 

What could be the problem here?

 

Peter-Paul Koonings

GeoNovation B.V. 

 

 

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-05-28 22:46, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Karen Lewellen said on Mon, 27 May 2024 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT)


How would you do this in DOS?


If by DOS you mean 1980's 1990's MS-DOS or PC-DOS, I haven't a clue.
1985-1996 I was a DOS expert, but haven't used it this century and have
forgotten it all. Karen, I thought you were using Linux.

If you had been using Linux, then what I described, once set up, would
have probably been completely accessible using a screen reader.


Maybe he means a DOS like interface, ie, the CLI (command line 
interface). Linux has that.



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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-05-28 01:29, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info wrote:
I have honestly no idea what designing an interface for people with 
difficulties means.


A Thunderbird that can be used by people with visual impairments, if 
possible at all (I have no idea).


Creating a command line edition of Thunderbird helps those in low 
graphics environments etc..that is an everyone thing.  It adds choices.
The guy who created my alpine configuration tried to work in some 
Thunderbird folder items for example, kind of odd, but most of his 
reasoning was seeking what he knew.
I too am thankful for the app  password process in gmail, it seems to 
solve my personal experience as well.

So far so good with google's remaining willing to keep this in place.



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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-05-28 22:48, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Cottrell, Allin via Alpine-info said on Mon, 27 May 2024 18:53:51 -0400



Me too. I find it hard to see what all the fuss is about. I like using
gmail for some things, prefer alpine for other things,


Wait a minute. Has this discussion been about Alpine vs a gmail
webmail? I thought it was about how to use Alpine with the gmail IMAP
server.


Not me, I have never considered the webmail, except for configuration 
operations (getting application password, enable 2 factor auth, etc). 
They have to be done on the web interface, there is no alternative.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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Cottrell, Allin via Alpine-info said on Mon, 27 May 2024 18:53:51 -0400


>Me too. I find it hard to see what all the fuss is about. I like using
>gmail for some things, prefer alpine for other things,

Wait a minute. Has this discussion been about Alpine vs a gmail
webmail? I thought it was about how to use Alpine with the gmail IMAP
server.

SteveT

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Steve Litt via Alpine-info]

Karen Lewellen said on Mon, 27 May 2024 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT)

>How would you do this in DOS?

If by DOS you mean 1980's 1990's MS-DOS or PC-DOS, I haven't a clue.
1985-1996 I was a DOS expert, but haven't used it this century and have
forgotten it all. Karen, I thought you were using Linux.

If you had been using Linux, then what I described, once set up, would
have probably been completely accessible using a screen reader.

[snip]

>Storing more than 8 gig of gmail  mail locally keeping it in
>context..in DOS, will be an interesting 
>thing  for Steve to answer. 

Yes it would. If I remember correctly, DOS can't handle hard disks more
than 2 gig.

>Minus he pay someone whose body works 
>differently suggestion of course.

True enough, but how much are you going to pay, year after year, for
somebody whose body works differently to keep up with gmail's summary
and arbitrary and frankly useless changes?

Karen, I know very little about you or your situation, other than you
recently became blind. I don't know if you have any other physical
disadvantages, or how technical you are, or what you use email and the
computer for, or what operating system(s) you use or have used before.
I have even less information about the person whom the original poster
(OP) inquired for. My one and only contribution, or perhaps
discontribution, to this discussion is that Gmail is frustrating and
difficult to work with, and for a normally sighted (I'm about 20/40
with glasses) Linux user there are immensely better alternatives that
may or may not be adaptable to people who are blind.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

I agree with chime,
I had an extensive conversation with the Fastmail team about their support 
of command line Linux tools. Not just browsers like Lynx, but even those 
built  with some level of JavaScript, like elinks and links.
To say their were far from interested in learning would be an 
understatement.

best,
Karen



On Tue, 28 May 2024, Morgan, Andrew J wrote:


Hi Chime,

I didn't realize Fastmail also offered website hosting...  I'm only using them 
for email.  I'm sorry they dropped FTP support.  As you know, they are 
supporting WebDAV for remote file access.

Andy

From: Chime Hart 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 10:46 AM
To: Morgan, Andrew J 
Cc: Steve Litt ; Karen Lewellen 
; alpine-info@u.washington.edu 

Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[You don't often get email from ch...@hubert-humphrey.com. Learn why this is 
important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]

[This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and 
attachments.]

Well Morgan, I have been useing FastMail for several years, here on my Linux
machine. Sure I like it, but I also have my web-site hosted. Seemingly without
any notice they dropped access from ncftp, so the best I can do is cadaver. I
don't think I can login to their controll-pannel useing LYNX, which I don't
think they have any understanding of, but yes, the price is right.
Chime



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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Morgan, Andrew J via Alpine-info]

Hi Chime,

I didn't realize Fastmail also offered website hosting...  I'm only using them 
for email.  I'm sorry they dropped FTP support.  As you know, they are 
supporting WebDAV for remote file access.

Andy

From: Chime Hart 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2024 10:46 AM
To: Morgan, Andrew J 
Cc: Steve Litt ; Karen Lewellen 
; alpine-info@u.washington.edu 

Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[You don't often get email from ch...@hubert-humphrey.com. Learn why this is 
important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ]

[This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and 
attachments.]

Well Morgan, I have been useing FastMail for several years, here on my Linux
machine. Sure I like it, but I also have my web-site hosted. Seemingly without
any notice they dropped access from ncftp, so the best I can do is cadaver. I
don't think I can login to their controll-pannel useing LYNX, which I don't
think they have any understanding of, but yes, the price is right.
Chime

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Chime Hart via Alpine-info]

Well Morgan, I have been useing FastMail for several years, here on my Linux 
machine. Sure I like it, but I also have my web-site hosted. Seemingly without 
any notice they dropped access from ncftp, so the best I can do is cadaver. I 
don't think I can login to their controll-pannel useing LYNX, which I don't 
think they have any understanding of, but yes, the price is right.

Chime

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Morgan, Andrew J via Alpine-info]

I use Fastmail (fastmail.com) to host my personal email.  It's a paid service, 
but the cost isn't very high and I don't trust "free" email providers.  
Fastmail has a lot of nice features, which I won't bother listing here.  Go 
check their website if you're curious.

When I ran email for Oregon State University, I migrated from traditional unix 
mbox mailboxes with the UW-IMAPD server to Cyrus.  Cyrus was created by 
Carnegie Mellon University, and its mailbox format (one file per message plus 
index files) had much better performance than the mbox format.  Eventually, a 
lot of development work on Cyrus was performed by Fastmail (Bron plus other 
developers), so I knew that Fastmail was running a good product and supported 
open-source software.

OSU migrated to Google and Exchange, and these days they use Exchange Online, 
so I'm not involved in running an email service anymore.  We still have people 
using Alpine to access their university email, too.

Andy



From: Alpine-info  on behalf of 
Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info 
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To: Steve Litt 
Cc: alpine-info@u.washington.edu 
Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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Steve,
I do not clearly follow  what you claim where   domain ownership is
concerned.
I own my own domain karenlewellen.com
That domain is hosted at a location where mail is managed by that hosting
company.
Because of that company's choices, I now cannot write to frelist.org
mailing lists, have no personal spam filter, and..cannot write to many
yahoo mailing addresses because the company this host uses does not want
to  apparently comply with host identity rules..but its my domain.
So, what am I missing here?
and how do I keep years worth of email at the same time given you claim
this process is a weekend's worth of work?
Again truly curious.
Karen



On Sun, 26 May 2024, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

> Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 23 May 2024 15:21:13 +0200
>
>> On 2024-05-23 12:20, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:
>>> Marc Lytle via Alpine-info said on Sat, 18 May 2024 16:59:04 -0700
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect
>>>> to the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this
>>>> just stops working after a couple of days.
>>>
>>> Why gmail? It's notoriously difficult to deal with. Why not just buy
>>> a domain for $15/year and use the mailing address(s) from that
>>> domain?
>>
>> You still need to hire something to host the mail.
>
> Most domain registrars give you a free IMAP for the domain you register
> with them.
>
>>
>> Instead, you could simply contract a mail account somewhere.
>
> This is another great alternative. But not as good, because it depends
> on their staying in business and you retaining them, unless their IMAP
> is based on a domain owned by you.
>
>> You could
>> even contract Gmail for groups for a group of people; consider that
>> the group administration sets the rules, so if the group decides "no
>> oauth2", then it is no oauth2 and simple passwords continue working.
>
> I see no reason to trust Google for anything. They consistently mess
> with people. If I remember correctly, they just up and cancelled all
> their Google Groups (I could be wrong about this). In my opinion,
> having any part of your workflow depend on Google invites
> disappointment. Once upon a time their motto was "don't be evil", but
> those days are long gone.
>
>>
>> And example of a group doing this is the ieee.org
>>
>>
>> All these solutions pose a problem for the individual: he has to
>> change mail address, and tell this to everybody, and resubscribe at
>> every site or or organization, which is no small problem.
>
> You're right. It's a whole day's work, or maybe a whole weekend's work.
> But if the email involves a domain that belongs to you, you'll never
> have to do it again, even if you change web hosts or registrars. The
> best time to have done it was 20 years ago. The second best time to do
> it is today.
>
>> He would still need to keep the old gmail address and check it now and
>> then for posts going there.
>
> I don't/can't check my old gmail address anymore. I just retain it so
> that nobody else gets it and intercepts communication set to me.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
>
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Re: Cyrus imap 3.4.4/3.8.2 - email notification not working

[Josef Karliak via Info]

Hi,

"log" notify works fine:

2024-05-28T10:31:46.094044+02:00 mailserver lmtp[20952]: Delivered: 
<20240528083145.9870410034F@mailserver> to mailbox: user.testuser
2024-05-28T10:31:46.094493+02:00 mailserver notifyd[20922]: do_notify 
using method 'log'
2024-05-28T10:31:46.094625+02:00 mailserver notifyd[20922]: MAIL, , 
testuser, INBOX,  "From: mailer-dae...@domain.com (Mail Delivery 
System)#012Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender#012To: 
ch...@domain.com#012"


 But no email while set up to "mailto" method, no complains at all :-/.

 2024-05-28T11:25:58.348086+02:00 mailserver lmtp[22641]: Delivered: 
 to mailbox: user.testuser
2024-05-28T11:25:58.348501+02:00 mailserver notify[22623]: do_notify 
using method 'mailto'


 It is able to debug the notify socket ? Similar to debug notify 
communication like user's imap/sieve communications bellow ?


  I'm totally out of ideas :-/

  Thanks and best regards

  J.Karliak

Dne 2024-05-23 10:23, Josef Karliak via Info napsal:

Ehh, my mistake in the configuration - "connection refused" is not 
relevant - stupid font/background colors


Anyway - imap/sieve debug logs do not complains to any errors.

l /var/spool/imap/config/log/testuser/
celkem 460
drwxr-xr-x 2 cyrus mail 4096 23. kvě 10.12 ./
drwxr-xr-x 3 cyrus mail 4096 23. kvě 10.01 ../
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail 435786 23. kvě 10.19 imap-25820
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail   5249 23. kvě 10.03 imap-27339
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail899 23. kvě 10.03 sieve-27178
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail899 23. kvě 10.03 sieve-27206
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail   1102 23. kvě 10.03 sieve-27259

It is able to debug the "notify" socket ? Or its communication ?

Thanks and best regards

JK

On 2024-05-23 06:46, Josef Karliak via Info wrote:

Good morning,

I tried to run notify with debug - I've found this in system log :

2024-05-22T11:50:15.135686+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(EVENT): 
unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135767+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(EVENT): 
unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135786+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: Delivered: 
 to mailbox: user.testuser
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135810+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(MAIL, 
testuser, INBOX): unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135826+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(SIEVE, 
testuser): unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused


Whai I missed ?

Thanks and best regards

JK

On 2024-05-20 10:36, Josef Karliak via Info wrote:

Good morning,

yes, the path in the config is the same :

/etc/cyrus.conf:notify  cmd="notifyd" 
listen="/var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify" proto="udp" prefork=1


/etc/imapd.conf:notifysocket: /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify

And also the notify socket exists:

l /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify
srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 17. kvě 06.35 
/var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify=


I'm out of ideas :-/

thanks

JK

On 2024-05-16 11:25, Vladas Palubinskas via Info wrote:

2024-05-16 11:21 Josef Karliak via Info: Notify socket is set in 
imapd.conf

"notifysocket: /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify",
the socket exists, idled sockets too

Does this entry match the same path in cyrus.conf?

In my case (Cyrus IMAP 3.8.2 on FreeBSD 14R), it is

# this is required if using notifications
notify  cmd="notifyd" listen="/var/cyrus/socket/notify" proto="udp" 
prefork=1 You should probably replace my /cyrus/ with your 
/spool/imap/config/.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

I have honestly no idea what designing an interface for people with 
difficulties means.
Creating a command line edition of Thunderbird helps those in low graphics 
environments etc..that is an everyone thing.  It adds choices.
The guy who created my alpine configuration tried to work in some 
Thunderbird folder items for example, kind of odd, but most of his 
reasoning was seeking what he knew.
I too am thankful for the app  password process in gmail, it seems to 
solve my personal experience as well.

So far so good with google's remaining willing to keep this in place.



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 ..which is one reason why I personally wish there was a command line build
 of Thunderbird.
 The Linux wiz who configured alpine for gmail still mutters about the
 differences.


Theoretically, this wizard of Thunderbird could be replicated in Alpine. But 
Thunderbird has maybe a hundred developers (ok, maybe not so many after their 
staff reduction), while Alpine has basically one. The amount of features that 
can be added to Alpine are very limited.


And someone could take the Thunderbird code and design an interface for 
people with difficulties.



That said, my alpine works fine with gmail, for months without touching it. 
In my case, using application passwords. There is always the fear of gmail 
removing that, but apparently they are not going to do that.




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>
> That said, my alpine works fine with gmail, for months without touching
> it. In my case, using application passwords. There is always the fear of
> gmail removing that, but apparently they are not going to do that.

Me too. I find it hard to see what all the fuss is about. I like using
gmail for some things, prefer alpine for other things, and a google
application password makes it quite straightforward to switch back and
forth.

The only (mild) complication that I experience is that my primary
gmail account is provided by my university, which insists that I
change password every year, and when I do so it seems my application
password for alpine also expires and has to be renewed. Not really a
big deal.

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El 2024-05-27 a las 11:02 -0400, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info escribió:

..which is one reason why I personally wish there was a command line build of 
Thunderbird.
The Linux wiz who configured alpine for gmail still mutters about the 
differences.


Theoretically, this wizard of Thunderbird could be replicated in Alpine. 
But Thunderbird has maybe a hundred developers (ok, maybe not so many 
after their staff reduction), while Alpine has basically one. The amount 
of features that can be added to Alpine are very limited.


And someone could take the Thunderbird code and design an interface for 
people with difficulties.



That said, my alpine works fine with gmail, for months without touching 
it. In my case, using application passwords. There is always the fear of 
gmail removing that, but apparently they are not going to do that.




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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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How would you do this in DOS?
I imagine that question is for Steve, since he seems to believe, speaking 
personally, that everyone uses computers as he does.
My karenlewellen.com email is hosted with a provider who insures equal 
access for me.
Storing more than 8 gig of gmail  mail locally keeping it in context..in 
DOS, will be an interesting 
thing  for Steve to answer. Minus he pay someone whose body works 
differently suggestion of course.

Kare



On Mon, 27 May 2024, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info wrote:


On Mon, 27 May 2024, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:


 Karen Lewellen said on Sun, 26 May 2024 22:14:14 -0400 (EDT)

>  Chime,
>  I still agree with some others.
>  Speaking personally, the most efficient way to interface gmail with
>  alpine
>  is to use Imap create an app password specifically for alpine, and
>  configure  accordingly.
>  Although there are steps, once done, my own gmail account works just
>  fine with  Alpine.
>  granted, I am using ssh to reach the mail server where alpine is
>  configured, but it works.
>  Karen

 If you can use Alpine to view email on gmail's IMAP server, then you
 can use fetchmail and procmail to load your own Dovecot server from any
 old IMAP or POP3, and view your emails there (much faster and more
 reliably). And you can back them up.


Alpine officially supports OAUTH2 with GMail. I don't know about procmail, 
but fetchmail officially *does not* support OAUTH2 with GMail.



 This is a fair amount of work but I think it's easier than keeping up
 with all gmail's ongoing inconvenient changes.


To be fair I think there is only the one inconvenient change
(from standard passwords (aka insecure apps) to OAUTH-BEARER)
but it was originally scheduled for 2019 and has been put back many times.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

..which is one reason why I personally wish there was a command line build 
of Thunderbird.
The Linux wiz who configured alpine for gmail still mutters about the 
differences.

Kare



On Mon, 27 May 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:


On 2024-05-26 23:51, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

 Brian S. Baker [VIA BBUS] said on Thu, 23 May 2024 12:53:57 +


>  To the issue hand. Says that Gmail is notoriously difficult to set up
>  using Alpine.

 Or Claws-Mail or pretty much any other email client.


Nope. Thunderbird wizard sets it up automatically. You just tells it "my 
address is somewh...@gmail.com" and it figures it all on its own.



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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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Andrew C Aitchison said on Mon, 27 May 2024 13:50:46 +0100 (BST)

>Alpine officially supports OAUTH2 with GMail. I don't know about
>procmail, but fetchmail officially *does not* support OAUTH2 with
>GMail.

The point I've been trying to make is not to use gmail and ways not to
use it. The fetchmail/procmail/dovecot thing is a way of using any old
web host or registrar's POP3 or IMAP. If the desire is to use gmail,
the 20 year old fetchmail isn't the way to go.

SteveT

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On Mon, 27 May 2024, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:


Karen Lewellen said on Sun, 26 May 2024 22:14:14 -0400 (EDT)


Chime,
I still agree with some others.
 Speaking personally, the most efficient way to interface gmail with
alpine
is to use Imap create an app password specifically for alpine, and
configure  accordingly.
Although there are steps, once done, my own gmail account works just
fine with  Alpine.
granted, I am using ssh to reach the mail server where alpine is
configured, but it works.
Karen


If you can use Alpine to view email on gmail's IMAP server, then you
can use fetchmail and procmail to load your own Dovecot server from any
old IMAP or POP3, and view your emails there (much faster and more
reliably). And you can back them up.


Alpine officially supports OAUTH2 with GMail. I don't know about procmail, 
but fetchmail officially *does not* support OAUTH2 with GMail.



This is a fair amount of work but I think it's easier than keeping up
with all gmail's ongoing inconvenient changes.


To be fair I think there is only the one inconvenient change
(from standard passwords (aka insecure apps) to OAUTH-BEARER)
but it was originally scheduled for 2019 and has been put back many times.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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Karen Lewellen said on Sun, 26 May 2024 22:14:14 -0400 (EDT)

>Chime,
>I still agree with some others.
>  Speaking personally, the most efficient way to interface gmail with
> alpine 
>is to use Imap create an app password specifically for alpine, and 
>configure  accordingly.
>Although there are steps, once done, my own gmail account works just
>fine with  Alpine.
>granted, I am using ssh to reach the mail server where alpine is 
>configured, but it works.
>Karen

If you can use Alpine to view email on gmail's IMAP server, then you
can use fetchmail and procmail to load your own Dovecot server from any
old IMAP or POP3, and view your emails there (much faster and more
reliably). And you can back them up.

This is a fair amount of work but I think it's easier than keeping up
with all gmail's ongoing inconvenient changes.

SteveT

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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Karen Lewellen said on Sun, 26 May 2024 21:39:12 -0400 (EDT)

>Steve,
>I am going to slot into your idea the situation Marc raised from the 
>start.
>If you were using adaptive technology, either due to blindness, or 
>paraplegia, or   any comparative situation, how would you effortlessly
>and independently host your own email?

I wouldn't. I'd let either my domain registrar or my web host host my
email. I've never set up an SMTP server in my life.

>Will leave my question there.
>After all, some on this list  suddenly found themselves at risk of
>losing years worth of information when google took the basic html
>choice away. So, putting yourself in the place of Marc's  friend here,
>how would you just move your stuff inclusively?

Oh, you mean how can you get your gmail mail in order to get it
somewhere else? You'd have to pay a sighted gmail expert to get it off
for you. But the only reason for this situation is the reliance on
gmail in the first place, when it's been obvious since yahoo first did
that dmarc/dcom thing that yahoo, hotmail, google and all the other
supposedly free mega mail companies were going to make things difficult.

Also, why haven't those emails been stored locally and backed up?

The best time to have fixed this problem was 5 years ago. The second
best time is right now.

Can a blind person use Claws-Mail or Mutt, or Alpine mail? Because
if they can, then the emails can be stored on a local Dovecot IMAP
server and viewed through Claws-Mail, etc. If there's not too much mail
in the archive, this can also be done with Thunderbird. Can a blind
person can use that?

SteveT

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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On 2024-05-27 03:49, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info wrote:

Steve,
I do not clearly follow  what you claim where   domain ownership is 
concerned.

I own my own domain karenlewellen.com
That domain is hosted at a location where mail is managed by that 
hosting company.
Because of that company's choices, I now cannot write to frelist.org 
mailing lists, have no personal spam filter, and..cannot write to many 
yahoo mailing addresses because the company this host uses does not want 
to  apparently comply with host identity rules..but its my domain.

So, what am I missing here?
and how do I keep years worth of email at the same time given you claim 
this process is a weekend's worth of work?

Again truly curious.
Karen
Apparently you can have your domain registered independently, and then 
host your email at an appropriate hoster. If you are not happy, you 
change to another hoster, till you find someone that does it correctly. 
Through all the changes, you keep the same address because you own it, 
not the registrar.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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On 2024-05-26 23:51, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Brian S. Baker [VIA BBUS] said on Thu, 23 May 2024 12:53:57 +



To the issue hand. Says that Gmail is notoriously difficult to set up
using Alpine.


Or Claws-Mail or pretty much any other email client.


Nope. Thunderbird wizard sets it up automatically. You just tells it "my 
address is somewh...@gmail.com" and it figures it all on its own.



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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Chime,
I still agree with some others.
 Speaking personally, the most efficient way to interface gmail with alpine 
is to use Imap create an app password specifically for alpine, and 
configure  accordingly.
Although there are steps, once done, my own gmail account works just fine 
with  Alpine.
granted, I am using ssh to reach the mail server where alpine is 
configured, but it works.

Karen



On Sun, 26 May 2024, Chime Hart wrote:

Well, the tocan which Marc setup for my Wife lasted 8days. And now Alpine 
nags over-and-over asking for passwords. It also wants me to authenticate in 
a browser. So I suppose gmail may not be right for my Wife, but I guess we 
will figure that out next Saturday.

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Well, the tocan which Marc setup for my Wife lasted 8days. And now Alpine nags 
over-and-over asking for passwords. It also wants me to authenticate in a 
browser. So I suppose gmail may not be right for my Wife, but I guess we will 
figure that out next Saturday.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Steve,
I do not clearly follow  what you claim where   domain ownership is 
concerned.

I own my own domain karenlewellen.com
That domain is hosted at a location where mail is managed by that hosting 
company.
Because of that company's choices, I now cannot write to frelist.org 
mailing lists, have no personal spam filter, and..cannot write to many 
yahoo mailing addresses because the company this host uses does not want 
to  apparently comply with host identity rules..but its my domain.

So, what am I missing here?
and how do I keep years worth of email at the same time given you claim 
this process is a weekend's worth of work?

Again truly curious.
Karen



On Sun, 26 May 2024, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:


Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 23 May 2024 15:21:13 +0200


On 2024-05-23 12:20, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Marc Lytle via Alpine-info said on Sat, 18 May 2024 16:59:04 -0700


Hello all,

I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect
to the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this
just stops working after a couple of days.


Why gmail? It's notoriously difficult to deal with. Why not just buy
a domain for $15/year and use the mailing address(s) from that
domain?


You still need to hire something to host the mail.


Most domain registrars give you a free IMAP for the domain you register
with them.



Instead, you could simply contract a mail account somewhere.


This is another great alternative. But not as good, because it depends
on their staying in business and you retaining them, unless their IMAP
is based on a domain owned by you.


You could
even contract Gmail for groups for a group of people; consider that
the group administration sets the rules, so if the group decides "no
oauth2", then it is no oauth2 and simple passwords continue working.


I see no reason to trust Google for anything. They consistently mess
with people. If I remember correctly, they just up and cancelled all
their Google Groups (I could be wrong about this). In my opinion,
having any part of your workflow depend on Google invites
disappointment. Once upon a time their motto was "don't be evil", but
those days are long gone.



And example of a group doing this is the ieee.org


All these solutions pose a problem for the individual: he has to
change mail address, and tell this to everybody, and resubscribe at
every site or or organization, which is no small problem.


You're right. It's a whole day's work, or maybe a whole weekend's work.
But if the email involves a domain that belongs to you, you'll never
have to do it again, even if you change web hosts or registrars. The
best time to have done it was 20 years ago. The second best time to do
it is today.


He would still need to keep the old gmail address and check it now and
then for posts going there.


I don't/can't check my old gmail address anymore. I just retain it so
that nobody else gets it and intercepts communication set to me.

SteveT

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Steve,
I am going to slot into your idea the situation Marc raised from the 
start.
If you were using adaptive technology, either due to blindness, or 
paraplegia, or   any comparative situation, how would you effortlessly and 
independently host your own email?

Will leave my question there.
After all, some on this list  suddenly found themselves at risk of losing 
years worth of information when google took the basic html choice away.
So, putting yourself in the place of Marc's  friend here, how would you 
just move your stuff inclusively?

Just curious,
Karen



On Sun, 26 May 2024, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:


Brian S. Baker [VIA BBUS] said on Thu, 23 May 2024 12:53:57 +



To the issue hand. Says that Gmail is notoriously difficult to set up
using Alpine.


Or Claws-Mail or pretty much any other email client.


I don’t doubt that, but just from my experience just
because you own your own domain for 15 or $30, that doesn’t
necessarily mean that it’s easier to set up. It would be for Gmail,
even though you’re right in that point.

What I mean by that I own five domains of my own. GODADDY recently
gave all of their email services management to Microsoft. At that
point you have to pay at least $38 every year to maintain your email
not only that, but I had to Ask Eduardo for assistance, because I had
a hell of a time trying to set up everything, and I must’ve
communicated with him at least 35 times during this entire situation,


Ugh! I guess Godaddy sucks too. I'm having great luck with
ionos as my domain registrar, as well as shockhosting.net as my web
host, which gives me a lot of email addresses. It would be pretty easy
to transfer your domains to ionos, or any other quality domain
registrar.

SteveT

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Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 23 May 2024 15:21:13 +0200

>On 2024-05-23 12:20, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:
>> Marc Lytle via Alpine-info said on Sat, 18 May 2024 16:59:04 -0700
>>   
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect
>>> to the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this
>>> just stops working after a couple of days.  
>> 
>> Why gmail? It's notoriously difficult to deal with. Why not just buy
>> a domain for $15/year and use the mailing address(s) from that
>> domain?  
>
>You still need to hire something to host the mail.

Most domain registrars give you a free IMAP for the domain you register
with them.

>
>Instead, you could simply contract a mail account somewhere. 

This is another great alternative. But not as good, because it depends
on their staying in business and you retaining them, unless their IMAP
is based on a domain owned by you.

>You could 
>even contract Gmail for groups for a group of people; consider that
>the group administration sets the rules, so if the group decides "no 
>oauth2", then it is no oauth2 and simple passwords continue working.

I see no reason to trust Google for anything. They consistently mess
with people. If I remember correctly, they just up and cancelled all
their Google Groups (I could be wrong about this). In my opinion,
having any part of your workflow depend on Google invites
disappointment. Once upon a time their motto was "don't be evil", but
those days are long gone.

>
>And example of a group doing this is the ieee.org
>
>
>All these solutions pose a problem for the individual: he has to
>change mail address, and tell this to everybody, and resubscribe at
>every site or or organization, which is no small problem.

You're right. It's a whole day's work, or maybe a whole weekend's work.
But if the email involves a domain that belongs to you, you'll never
have to do it again, even if you change web hosts or registrars. The
best time to have done it was 20 years ago. The second best time to do
it is today.

>He would still need to keep the old gmail address and check it now and 
>then for posts going there.

I don't/can't check my old gmail address anymore. I just retain it so
that nobody else gets it and intercepts communication set to me.

SteveT

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Brian S. Baker [VIA BBUS] said on Thu, 23 May 2024 12:53:57 +


>To the issue hand. Says that Gmail is notoriously difficult to set up
>using Alpine. 

Or Claws-Mail or pretty much any other email client.

>I don’t doubt that, but just from my experience just
>because you own your own domain for 15 or $30, that doesn’t
>necessarily mean that it’s easier to set up. It would be for Gmail,
>even though you’re right in that point.
>
>What I mean by that I own five domains of my own. GODADDY recently
>gave all of their email services management to Microsoft. At that
>point you have to pay at least $38 every year to maintain your email
>not only that, but I had to Ask Eduardo for assistance, because I had
>a hell of a time trying to set up everything, and I must’ve
>communicated with him at least 35 times during this entire situation,

Ugh! I guess Godaddy sucks too. I'm having great luck with
ionos as my domain registrar, as well as shockhosting.net as my web
host, which gives me a lot of email addresses. It would be pretty easy
to transfer your domains to ionos, or any other quality domain
registrar.

SteveT

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Re: [Alpine-info] Running two copies of alpine - was Re: Gmail Access

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El 2024-05-25 a las 08:51 -0600, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info escribió:


Carlos and Chime,

 the loss of a session due to locking has nothing to do with imap access or 
not, it has to do with the way that the messages are stored.


 First, let us talk about local access. In its default configuration Alpine 
uses the unix format for local folders (except in Windows, where it is called 
mbx, more about this later). The unix format locks the full folder to avoid 
that two users modify the folder in incompatible ways. This is the problem 
that Chime is experiencing. Since only one of the alpine sessions can have a 
lock, one has to lose the lock and the other one get it.


 The unix format is also the default format for the UW IMAP server, so when 
people access a folder in the unix format (typically inbox) through the UW 
IMAP server, you will see the same issue that Chime is reporting. In other 
words, the problem exists in this case because Chime is accessing a folder 
that does not support concurrent access.


 By the way, the reason why the second sessions steals the lock from the 
first and the first does not retain its lock is exactly because of needing to 
please IMAP users. Originally it was not possible to steal the lock. Once a 
folder got the lock, no on could steal it, but this was contrary to remote 
access, where users left their email open in the office, and they could not 
access it later from home. So the University of Washington had to make the 
last person to access the folder the winner of the lock.


 The mbx format used by Windows Alpine does not have this issue. Every 
session gets its lock and can be shared. You can have two alpine sessions 
access the same folder at the same time and share all the information on 
messages (for example, if a message is flagged "Answered" in one session, it 
will also be flagged "Answered" in the other session without needing to 
reopen the folder). If the UW IMAP server had the mbx format as default, then 
concurrent IMAP access could be possible and the experience that Carlos has 
with IMAP servers (such as Outlook, Gmail, GMX, etc.) could be repeated.


 In summary, the appearance that IMAP allows concurrent access but Alpine 
does not is just that. Concurrent access has to do with if the storage method 
allows concurrent access or not. So what we know is that Chime has a folder 
that does not allow it (most likely a folder in the unix format) while Carlos 
has share access (for a folder that is clearly not in the unix format).


 I hope this is enough information so that Chime can solve his issue.


Just to clarify, I am accessing all my local folders via imap (dovecot, on 
mbox). The only direct local folder is the main inbox. If I access this 
folder also via imap, then I can have concurrent Alpines.


Although I have a collection that is the local folders on mbox, I take 
care not to use it, specially not when using two alpine sessions.


I use a local imap (dovecot) server precissely to be able to access my 
local folders with several mail clients: Alpine, Thunderbird, evince, etc.



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Re: [Alpine-info] Running two copies of alpine - was Re: Gmail Access

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Carlos and Chime,

  the loss of a session due to locking has nothing to do with imap access 
or not, it has to do with the way that the messages are stored.


  First, let us talk about local access. In its default configuration 
Alpine uses the unix format for local folders (except in Windows, where it 
is called mbx, more about this later). The unix format locks the full 
folder to avoid that two users modify the folder in incompatible ways. 
This is the problem that Chime is experiencing. Since only one of the 
alpine sessions can have a lock, one has to lose the lock and the other 
one get it.


  The unix format is also the default format for the UW IMAP server, so 
when people access a folder in the unix format (typically inbox) through 
the UW IMAP server, you will see the same issue that Chime is reporting. 
In other words, the problem exists in this case because Chime is accessing 
a folder that does not support concurrent access.


  By the way, the reason why the second sessions steals the lock from the 
first and the first does not retain its lock is exactly because of needing 
to please IMAP users. Originally it was not possible to steal the lock. 
Once a folder got the lock, no on could steal it, but this was contrary to 
remote access, where users left their email open in the office, and they 
could not access it later from home. So the University of Washington had 
to make the last person to access the folder the winner of the lock.


  The mbx format used by Windows Alpine does not have this issue. Every 
session gets its lock and can be shared. You can have two alpine sessions 
access the same folder at the same time and share all the information on 
messages (for example, if a message is flagged "Answered" in one session, 
it will also be flagged "Answered" in the other session without needing 
to reopen the folder). If the UW IMAP server had the mbx format as 
default, then concurrent IMAP access could be possible and the experience 
that Carlos has with IMAP servers (such as Outlook, Gmail, GMX, etc.) 
could be repeated.


  In summary, the appearance that IMAP allows concurrent access but Alpine 
does not is just that. Concurrent access has to do with if the storage 
method allows concurrent access or not. So what we know is that Chime has 
a folder that does not allow it (most likely a folder in the unix format) 
while Carlos has share access (for a folder that is clearly not in the 
unix format).


  I hope this is enough information so that Chime can solve his issue.

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On Saturday, 2024-05-25 at 05:43 -0700, Chime Hart via Alpine-info wrote:

Well, thank you Carlos-and-All for your analysis. I am useing imap-and-once a 
2nd instance opens, it says something like trying to get folder from lock. 
Also 1 of the 2 become read only. I notice some similarities when I 
try-and-open trn twice. Trn is a Usenet news client, although I can read or 
post news in trn as well as Alpine at the same time.. And you would think 
both clients are accessing the same .newsrc file.


Right now I opened a second alpine with no complain. I use an alternate 
config file, with this key change:


cer@Telcontar:~> grep inbox-path .pinerc-gmx
inbox-path={localhost/novalidate-cert/user=cer}INBOX
cer@Telcontar:~> alpine -p /home/cer/.pinerc-gmx


Of course, if you open two alpines with the same config file and both try 
to save configs, things would get interesting. My use case is that I have 
done a change to one of the folders because of a filtering problem:


"imap Gmx L"{imap.gmx.com/tls/user=...@gmx.es}INBOX,
"imap F Gmx L"  {imap.gmx.com/tls/user=...@gmx.es/loser}INBOX,

"loser" does the filtering locally, but it is very slow.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Running two copies of alpine - was Re: Gmail Access

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Well, thank you Carlos-and-All for your analysis. I am useing imap-and-once a 
2nd instance opens, it says something like trying to get folder from lock. Also 
1 of the 2 become read only. I notice some similarities when I try-and-open trn 
twice. Trn is a Usenet news client, although I can read or post news in trn as 
well as Alpine at the same time.. And you would think both clients are 
accessing the same .newsrc file.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Running two copies of alpine - was Re: Gmail Access

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On 2024-05-23 19:53, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2024, Chime Hart via Alpine-info wrote:

Now, as to my unrelated question, I will ask it differently? Is their 
a way of opening Alpine in 2 separate consoles, without 1 of them 
becoming "read only"? I would like either session to act on messages. 
Thanks so much in advance


The message when you start the second copy refers to a "folder lock".
Experimentation show that it is possible to re-open a previously locked
folder to check for new messages.

As long as you don't try to *use* both copies *at the same time*
I think it will be possible, but not necessarily safe.


There is no intrinsic reason to not be able to open 20 mail clients if 
that is your wish. Thunderbird does it, for instance. What must not 
happen is altering the same mail folder by two or more clients.


Alpine usually complains about the inbox file or folder; but if you 
access the inbox by imap instead, it doesn't complain.


Of course, this means you have to run an imap server locally. Or perhaps 
you could try configuring the second alpine to open a different (fake) 
inbox folder.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Brian S. Baker [VIA BBUS] via Alpine-info]

Andrew:

Thank you for that information. I didn’t realize that you could use a dash and 
then the HUP after the dash. I know that signal nine is only advisable when you 
don’t have a choice. I’ve had a few times when you have to use a signal line 
because something locks up and you have to end it

I remember when I was working with Eduardo when he was helping me with Alpine. 
When we were setting up all of these tokens, there were times when I had to 
signal my Alpine because I could not exit and that is because whatever master 
password or authentication strategy was just locking the entire system up. 

I guess the reason why I was using signal nine all the time was because when I 
was working as an online volunteer, someone would always say that they have to 
signal nine in a process. I’m glad that you don’t have to do a signal nine 
every single time and now I understand what the HUP means after the dash: it 
means hang up, but I didn’t realize that process hangs up like you would hang 
up a telephone he he he he he 

Have a great weekend, and I believe this one is a long one!

Brian



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> On May 23, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Andrew C Aitchison  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 23 May 2024, Brian S. Baker [VIA BBUS] via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
>> The way you take care of that is you give it a signal 9 kill and
>> this will release the locks process because one of them will be
>> terminated.
> 
> Please only use kill -9 as a last resort.
> 
> If alpine is still running, kill -HUP will be sufficient and will
> allow it to syncronize all open folders and remove locks safely.
> 
> kill -9 can leave files in unknown, unsafe states and destroy data.
> This is as bad as what the locks are trying to avoid.
> 
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On Thu, 23 May 2024, Brian S. Baker [VIA BBUS] via Alpine-info wrote:


The way you take care of that is you give it a signal 9 kill and
 this will release the locks process because one of them will be
 terminated.


Please only use kill -9 as a last resort.

If alpine is still running, kill -HUP will be sufficient and will
allow it to syncronize all open folders and remove locks safely.

kill -9 can leave files in unknown, unsafe states and destroy data.
This is as bad as what the locks are trying to avoid.

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A folder lock would have to be initiated when we’re talking about mail, in 
Linux, other process that runs, if you try to use either The wrong account, 
then it will tell you that a folder lock is in place and remind you “are you 
root?” When you try to use a program more than one time. I believe this is so 
that the controlling process Can only happen once, because you wouldn’t want 
two instances of something like synaptic, running at the same time, because one 
of them has to have permission to modify files or to make addition changes or 
deletions, so root take control of the process, and locks it out, so that you 
don’t have two competing processes trying to do the same thing.

The way you take care of that is you give it a signal 9 kill and this will 
release the locks process because one of them will be terminated. If you don’t 
have a lock created, then you have two processes fighting against each other, 
and it doesn’t make sense, secondly, there should only be one account that 
makes the changes, so if root has control, then it will complete the process. 
That way you don’t have two or three instances of the same account being logged 
in and trying to access that one process.

Brian


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> On May 23, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Chime Hart via Alpine-info 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Eduardo: So as I understand that, whether we open her inbox or 
> not, after 7days we will not until we create a new tocan?
> Now, as to my unrelated question, I will ask it differently? Is their a way 
> of opening Alpine in 2 separate consoles, without 1 of them becoming "read 
> only"? I would like either session to act on messages. Thanks so much in 
> advance
> Chime
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[Alpine-info] Running two copies of alpine - was Re: Gmail Access

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On Thu, 23 May 2024, Chime Hart via Alpine-info wrote:

Now, as to my unrelated question, I will ask it differently? Is their a way 
of opening Alpine in 2 separate consoles, without 1 of them becoming "read 
only"? I would like either session to act on messages. Thanks so much in 
advance


The message when you start the second copy refers to a "folder lock".
Experimentation show that it is possible to re-open a previously locked
folder to check for new messages.

As long as you don't try to *use* both copies *at the same time*
I think it will be possible, but not necessarily safe.

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Thank you Eduardo: So as I understand that, whether we open her inbox or not, 
after 7days we will not until we create a new tocan?
Now, as to my unrelated question, I will ask it differently? Is their a way of 
opening Alpine in 2 separate consoles, without 1 of them becoming "read only"? 
I would like either session to act on messages. Thanks so much in advance

Chime

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On Mon, 20 May 2024, Chime Hart wrote:


Good Morning Eduardo: No we didn't keep Alpine opened, just every so-many days
try-and-open it. While its interesting you mention opening 2 paralel instances,
I want to ask a related anoyance? Sometimes while downloading a large youtube
item linked from google news results, while still in Alpine, I want to still
look at new mail. However, it makes 1 of the 2 Alpines read only. Is their some
way of removing this restriction?


I am not sure what is happening here, but coming back to the issue at 
hand. I found the following information on Google:


Authorizations by a test user will expire seven days from the time of 
consent. If your OAuth client requests an offline access type and receives 
a refresh token, that token will also expire.


the source is

https://support.google.com/cloud/answer/10311615#publishing-status=%2Ctesting

Does this explain what is happening here?

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Steve,
I imagine because it is not quite that simple for everyone.
As an example, currently the owners of shellworld.net have yet to comply 
with host identifier changes that started in March of this year.
For me that means I cannot post to lists at freelist, I am on a few, and 
may have  mail not reach someone..yet not learn the outcome.
Previously the owners hosted our mail, I agree that such seems most secure 
and financially productive..especially if you are charging for the service.
however, apparently? far more regular care goes into hosting mail, then 
simply  having a place for it..preventing attacks I suspect.
Granted, I am considering this idea, I have domains I already own that are 
not tied to a hosting plan.
What concerns me, is the security and consistent access to my mail in a 
fashion  that, at least in theory, gmail makes possible.

Further thoughts about the details?
..and at gkg.net  the domains are less than $15 smiles.
Karen



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Marc Lytle via Alpine-info said on Sat, 18 May 2024 16:59:04 -0700


Hello all,

I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect
to the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this
just stops working after a couple of days.


Why gmail? It's notoriously difficult to deal with. Why not just buy a
domain for $15/year and use the mailing address(s) from that domain?

SteveT

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On Thu, 23 May 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:


On 2024-05-23 12:20, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Marc Lytle via Alpine-info said on Sat, 18 May 2024 16:59:04 -0700


Hello all,

I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect
to the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this
just stops working after a couple of days.


Why gmail? It's notoriously difficult to deal with. Why not just buy a
domain for $15/year and use the mailing address(s) from that domain?


You still need to hire something to host the mail.

Instead, you could simply contract a mail account somewhere. You could even 
contract Gmail for groups for a group of people; consider that the group 
administration sets the rules, so if the group decides "no oauth2", then it 
is no oauth2 and simple passwords continue working.


And example of a group doing this is the ieee.org

All these solutions pose a problem for the individual: he has to change mail 
address, and tell this to everybody, and resubscribe at every site or or 
organization, which is no small problem.


He would still need to keep the old gmail address and check it now and then 
for posts going there.


google will forward your gmail to your new address.
I do this and have haf no problems, and there has been no suggestion this this 
will stop.

Theoretically the forwarded message may be sent unencrypted, just as
it might have done on the way to gmail, so they might say that this is
also "less secure", but I don't think that risk is a worry.

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On 2024-05-23 12:20, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

Marc Lytle via Alpine-info said on Sat, 18 May 2024 16:59:04 -0700


Hello all,

I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect
to the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this
just stops working after a couple of days.


Why gmail? It's notoriously difficult to deal with. Why not just buy a
domain for $15/year and use the mailing address(s) from that domain?


You still need to hire something to host the mail.

Instead, you could simply contract a mail account somewhere. You could 
even contract Gmail for groups for a group of people; consider that the 
group administration sets the rules, so if the group decides "no 
oauth2", then it is no oauth2 and simple passwords continue working.


And example of a group doing this is the ieee.org


All these solutions pose a problem for the individual: he has to change 
mail address, and tell this to everybody, and resubscribe at every site 
or or organization, which is no small problem.


He would still need to keep the old gmail address and check it now and 
then for posts going there.


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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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Good morning everyone:

I just wanted to point out that Steve is right in one way, and wrong in another

What I mean by that is I have used versions of pine starting at version 3.89, 
all the way up to 3.96, and then when Alpine came out, I started using versions 
one all the way up until 2.26

Not only that, but when I was a staff member of the Tallahassee Fina in 
Tallahassee, Florida, I had answered a question from a user. The person wanted 
to know how to use pine

I had written a response to this, and the administrator of the system was so 
impressed with the way that I handled it that I was placed on the questions 
answers team. I believe I still have those particular documents in one of my 
old backups from 1994, and then it was updated all the way up until 2007.

To the issue hand. Says that Gmail is notoriously difficult to set up using 
Alpine. I don’t doubt that, but just from my experience just because you own 
your own domain for 15 or $30, that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s easier 
to set up. It would be for Gmail, even though you’re right in that point.

What I mean by that I own five domains of my own. GODADDY recently gave all of 
their email services management to Microsoft. At that point you have to pay at 
least $38 every year to maintain your email not only that, but I had to Ask 
Eduardo for assistance, because I had a hell of a time trying to set up 
everything, and I must’ve communicated with him at least 35 times during this 
entire situation, but he helped me get through it. His thoughtful and very 
informative posts as well a patience are a testament to how awesome he is. He 
just said let’s start at the beginning, so I started emailing him off list, and 
each time we communicated I would let him know what was going on. Then he would 
respond back to me, and we kept doing this until, I  got 0Auth working with my 
domain account. I also asked Eduardo about my Gmail accounts. Eduardo help me 
set that up to help me set up my domains. I can log into all of my accounts. I 
want access to including all of the IMA account folders, and I have all of my 
authentication token saved.

Again, I think Eduardo for his patience and his expertise in this situation. I 
was so happy after I got done with this that I was totally psyched. Alpine as 
well as the program Pine are very powerful applications. You just have to know 
how to open up the power so that you can wire it in right. Eduardo also help me 
set up so that I can respond as either of the user or my personal account.

So as I stated, it is not necessarily easier to set up domain account email if 
you have to go through authentication token so many times that your head wants 
to spin backwards. 

Most hosts I know of  use IMAP as one of the primary ways to access email. I 
don’t know if pop three is still as popular as it used to be, but I am at is so 
awesome because it does not require you to bring the mail down from your server 
onto your primary machine. It allows it to stay there and you go in and take 
care of it from there. 

I want to be safe or safer: however, sometimes when they try to make things 
better, they always seem to make things worse, which means people like Eduardo 
who develop Alpine have to be about seven steps ahead of somebody else who is 
trying to make changes to the Mail host while he is trying to update Alpine to 
the newest additions. 226 and he was able to tell me that some of the program 
of Alpine 2.24 was not operating properly because there was a piece of it that 
was causing issues, and he told me to update to the newest version, I’m back in 
business. 

Have a great day!

Brian




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> On May 23, 2024, at 6:21 AM, Steve Litt via Alpine-info 
>  wrote:
> 
> Marc Lytle via Alpine-info said on Sat, 18 May 2024 16:59:04 -0700
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect
>> to the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this
>> just stops working after a couple of days.
> 
> Why gmail? It's notoriously difficult to deal with. Why not just buy a
> domain for $15/year and use the mailing address(s) from that domain?
> 
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Marc Lytle via Alpine-info said on Sat, 18 May 2024 16:59:04 -0700

>Hello all,
>
>I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect
>to the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this
>just stops working after a couple of days. 

Why gmail? It's notoriously difficult to deal with. Why not just buy a
domain for $15/year and use the mailing address(s) from that domain?

SteveT

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Re: Cyrus imap 3.4.4 - email notification not working

[Josef Karliak via Info]

Ehh, my mistake in the configuration - "connection refused" is not 
relevant - stupid font/background colors


Anyway - imap/sieve debug logs do not complains to any errors.

l /var/spool/imap/config/log/testuser/
celkem 460
drwxr-xr-x 2 cyrus mail 4096 23. kvě 10.12 ./
drwxr-xr-x 3 cyrus mail 4096 23. kvě 10.01 ../
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail 435786 23. kvě 10.19 imap-25820
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail   5249 23. kvě 10.03 imap-27339
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail899 23. kvě 10.03 sieve-27178
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail899 23. kvě 10.03 sieve-27206
-rw--- 1 cyrus mail   1102 23. kvě 10.03 sieve-27259

It is able to debug the "notify" socket ? Or its communication ?

Thanks and best regards

JK

On 2024-05-23 06:46, Josef Karliak via Info wrote:


Good morning,

I tried to run notify with debug - I've found this in system log :

2024-05-22T11:50:15.135686+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(EVENT): 
unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135767+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(EVENT): 
unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135786+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: Delivered: 
 to mailbox: user.testuser
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135810+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(MAIL, 
testuser, INBOX): unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135826+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(SIEVE, 
testuser): unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused


Whai I missed ?

Thanks and best regards

JK

On 2024-05-20 10:36, Josef Karliak via Info wrote:

Good morning,

yes, the path in the config is the same :

/etc/cyrus.conf:notify  cmd="notifyd" 
listen="/var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify" proto="udp" prefork=1


/etc/imapd.conf:notifysocket: /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify

And also the notify socket exists:

l /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify
srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 17. kvě 06.35 
/var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify=


I'm out of ideas :-/

thanks

JK

On 2024-05-16 11:25, Vladas Palubinskas via Info wrote:

2024-05-16 11:21 Josef Karliak via Info: Notify socket is set in 
imapd.conf

"notifysocket: /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify",
the socket exists, idled sockets too

Does this entry match the same path in cyrus.conf?

In my case (Cyrus IMAP 3.8.2 on FreeBSD 14R), it is

# this is required if using notifications
notify  cmd="notifyd" listen="/var/cyrus/socket/notify" proto="udp" 
prefork=1 You should probably replace my /cyrus/ with your 
/spool/imap/config/.


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Re: Cyrus imap 3.4.4 - email notification not working

[Josef Karliak via Info]

  Good morning,

  I tried to run notify with debug - I've found this in system log :

2024-05-22T11:50:15.135686+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(EVENT): 
unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135767+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(EVENT): 
unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135786+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: Delivered: 
 to mailbox: user.testuser
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135810+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(MAIL, 
testuser, INBOX): unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused
2024-05-22T11:50:15.135826+02:00 imapserver lmtp[6199]: NOTIFY(SIEVE, 
testuser): unable to sendto() socket: Connection refused


   Whai I missed ?

  Thanks and best regards

  JK

On 2024-05-20 10:36, Josef Karliak via Info wrote:


Good morning,

yes, the path in the config is the same :

/etc/cyrus.conf:notify  cmd="notifyd" 
listen="/var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify" proto="udp" prefork=1


/etc/imapd.conf:notifysocket: /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify

And also the notify socket exists:

l /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify
srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 17. kvě 06.35 
/var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify=


I'm out of ideas :-/

thanks

JK

On 2024-05-16 11:25, Vladas Palubinskas via Info wrote:

2024-05-16 11:21 Josef Karliak via Info: Notify socket is set in 
imapd.conf

"notifysocket: /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify",
the socket exists, idled sockets too

Does this entry match the same path in cyrus.conf?

In my case (Cyrus IMAP 3.8.2 on FreeBSD 14R), it is

# this is required if using notifications
notify  cmd="notifyd" listen="/var/cyrus/socket/notify" proto="udp" 
prefork=1 You should probably replace my /cyrus/ with your 
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Re: [Alpine-info] quick Alpine rules question?

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

That is perfection!
Was the solution I needed.
Thanks,
Kare



On Mon, 20 May 2024, Milt Epstein via Alpine-info wrote:


I think what you're looking for is the '#' command/key ("Role" or
"Compose using a Role").  It brings up the list of roles you've
defined, and you can choose one to use to compose a message.

Milt Epstein
mepst...@illinois.edu


On Mon, 20 May 2024, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info wrote:


Hi all,
I mostly use Alpine from my office  with our dreamhost provided edition of the
program.
To help with communications, I have a rule set up for our New York Office.
I get the choice to use this when replying to messages.
How do I start an email using the rule instead of my default signature?
Thanks,
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I think what you're looking for is the '#' command/key ("Role" or
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> Hi all,
> I mostly use Alpine from my office  with our dreamhost provided edition of the
> program.
> To help with communications, I have a rule set up for our New York Office.
> I get the choice to use this when replying to messages.
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Hi all,
I mostly use Alpine from my office  with our dreamhost provided edition of 
the program.

To help with communications, I have a rule set up for our New York Office.
I get the choice to use this when replying to messages.
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[Alpine-info] did my more details post make the list?

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Hi Chime,
Want to ask before sending a second time.
Warmly,



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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Actually, that article states that app passwords will be the exception to 
this rule.
What they are removing firmly is the ability to use a username, me 
@gmail.com

and password,
thisismypassowrd,
log in doors.
app passwords, like those discussed  in my post, and in Carlos's  will 
remain.

Kare



On Mon, 20 May 2024, Damion Yates via Alpine-info wrote:


Unfortunately Google are turning off application specific passwords this
autumn. https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en

However when I use xoauth2 it doesn't require me to reauthenticate every
few days, so something must be going on differently for Marc.

I don't actually use this method most of the time as I let the python app
offlineimap.  This syncs my mail to a small Maildir repository and alpine
patched for Maildir support accesses that locally with no auth. offlineimap
also doesn't require constant reauthentication.

- Damion

On Sunday 19 May 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info <
alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote:


On 2024-05-19 01:59, Marc Lytle via Alpine-info wrote:


Hello all,

I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect to
the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this just stops
working after a couple of days. This is coming from a WSL environment
(Ubuntu). I have the master password set up and if necessary I can open the
links provided in Alpine and work through the steps to re-auquthorize it.
The weird thing is that each time I'm pulling down the exact same token
from Gmail. The Google account info says that the access "Does not expire"
but it still stops working. I have a master password file set up.

If I were to main user of this account, then this would be an annoyance
and nothing more, but this is set up for a blind woman who is still
learning to interact with the screen reader. She is not able at this time
to go through those steps. So, if there is a way to keep the authentication
going on Alpine's end, I'd love to hear it.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.


I don't have personal experience with that method; I use a different one.
While someone with experience with your method comes, I'll explain mine.

I use gmail application passwords. The idea is that you generate in the
web interface of Google a password for each application you use, in this
case Alpine. This password is random, longish, and seems to be permanent.
But it requires that you have that second factor auth thing enabled.

<https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en>


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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Chime Hart via Alpine-info]

Good Morning Eduardo: No we didn't keep Alpine opened, just every so-many days 
try-and-open it. While its interesting you mention opening 2 paralel instances, 
I want to ask a related anoyance? Sometimes while downloading a large youtube 
item linked from google news results, while still in Alpine, I want to still 
look at new mail. However, it makes 1 of the 2 Alpines read only. Is their some 
way of removing this restriction? Thanks so much in advance

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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On Sat, 18 May 2024, Marc Lytle via Alpine-info wrote:

I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect to 
the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this just 
stops working after a couple of days.


What happened during the "couple of days" that you mention here? Let me 
explain what I am asking. Was Alpine kept open during that time and then 
closed, and the reopened? My thinking is that the issue you are reporting 
could be due to alpine not writing the password file. To check this you 
would have to open two parallel sessions of Alpine, the second after the 
first has succeeded saving the refresh token.


On the other hand, I believe that refresh tokens expire if you set up the 
publishing status of your app to be in testing, rather than in production, 
and that period of expiration is a few days (seven?), so maybe take a look 
into that.


If you run alpine with debug (alpine -d 9) you can see if Alpine found a 
token to try in your password file to have another way to test if alpine 
is saving your tokens in the password file.


I hope this helps.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-05-20 10:22, Damion Yates via Alpine-info wrote:
Unfortunately Google are turning off application specific passwords this 
autumn. https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en 
<https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en>


I am not sure this applies to Application Passwords. See, for instance:

  Scanners & other devices

  For scanners or other devices using SMTP or less secure
  apps to send emails, use one of the following options:

  Configure the device to use OAuth.
  Use an alternative way to scan or send an email from the device.
  Configure an *app password* for use with the device.
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Re: Cyrus imap 3.4.4 - email notification not working

[Josef Karliak via Info]

Good morning,

yes, the path in the config is the same :

/etc/cyrus.conf:notify  cmd="notifyd" 
listen="/var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify" proto="udp" prefork=1


/etc/imapd.conf:notifysocket: /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify

And also the notify socket exists:

l /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify
srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 17. kvě 06.35 
/var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify=


 I'm out of ideas :-/

 thanks

 JK

On 2024-05-16 11:25, Vladas Palubinskas via Info wrote:


2024-05-16 11:21 Josef Karliak via Info:


Notify socket is set in imapd.conf
"notifysocket: /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify",
the socket exists, idled sockets too


Does this entry match the same path in cyrus.conf?

In my case (Cyrus IMAP 3.8.2 on FreeBSD 14R), it is


# this is required if using notifications
notify  cmd="notifyd" listen="/var/cyrus/socket/notify" proto="udp" 
prefork=1

You should probably replace my /cyrus/ with your /spool/imap/config/.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Damion Yates via Alpine-info]

Unfortunately Google are turning off application specific passwords this
autumn. https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en

However when I use xoauth2 it doesn't require me to reauthenticate every
few days, so something must be going on differently for Marc.

I don't actually use this method most of the time as I let the python app
offlineimap.  This syncs my mail to a small Maildir repository and alpine
patched for Maildir support accesses that locally with no auth. offlineimap
also doesn't require constant reauthentication.

 - Damion

On Sunday 19 May 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info <
alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote:

> On 2024-05-19 01:59, Marc Lytle via Alpine-info wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect to
>> the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this just stops
>> working after a couple of days. This is coming from a WSL environment
>> (Ubuntu). I have the master password set up and if necessary I can open the
>> links provided in Alpine and work through the steps to re-auquthorize it.
>> The weird thing is that each time I'm pulling down the exact same token
>> from Gmail. The Google account info says that the access "Does not expire"
>> but it still stops working. I have a master password file set up.
>>
>> If I were to main user of this account, then this would be an annoyance
>> and nothing more, but this is set up for a blind woman who is still
>> learning to interact with the screen reader. She is not able at this time
>> to go through those steps. So, if there is a way to keep the authentication
>> going on Alpine's end, I'd love to hear it.
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
>>
> I don't have personal experience with that method; I use a different one.
> While someone with experience with your method comes, I'll explain mine.
>
> I use gmail application passwords. The idea is that you generate in the
> web interface of Google a password for each application you use, in this
> case Alpine. This password is random, longish, and seems to be permanent.
> But it requires that you have that second factor auth thing enabled.
>
> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en>
>
>
> --
> Cheers / Saludos,
>
>     Carlos E. R.
>     (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
>
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[Alpine-info] more details, is Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
./configure --includedir=${prefix}/include
--mandir=${prefix}/share/man \
  --infodir=${prefix}/share/info
--libdir=${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu \
  --with-date-stamp=Thu Jun 9 05:12:53 UTC 2022



Karen:
hope all this helps.

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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Marc,
This is my method as well.
You can in her settings turn on two factor, choose to have google provide a 
spoken on the phone code, and turn it right off again once alpine has been 
setup.

Karen



On Sun, 19 May 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:


On 2024-05-19 01:59, Marc Lytle via Alpine-info wrote:

 Hello all,

 I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect to
 the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this just stops
 working after a couple of days. This is coming from a WSL environment
 (Ubuntu). I have the master password??set up and if necessary I can open
 the links provided in Alpine and work through the steps to re-auquthorize
 it. The weird??thing is that each time I'm pulling down the exact same
 token from Gmail. The Google account info says that the access??"Does not
 expire" but it still stops working. I have a master password file set up.

 If I were to main user of this account, then this would be an annoyance
 and nothing more, but this is set up for a blind woman who is still
 learning to interact with the screen reader. She is not able at this time
 to go through those steps. So, if there is a way to keep the
 authentication going on??Alpine's??end, I'd love to hear it.

 Please let me know if you have??any questions or suggestions.
I don't have personal experience with that method; I use a different one. 
While someone with experience with your method comes, I'll explain mine.


I use gmail application passwords. The idea is that you generate in the web 
interface of Google a password for each application you use, in this case 
Alpine. This password is random, longish, and seems to be permanent. But it 
requires that you have that second factor auth thing enabled.


<https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en>


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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-05-19 01:59, Marc Lytle via Alpine-info wrote:

Hello all,

I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect to 
the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this just 
stops working after a couple of days. This is coming from a WSL 
environment (Ubuntu). I have the master password set up and if necessary 
I can open the links provided in Alpine and work through the steps to 
re-auquthorize it. The weird thing is that each time I'm pulling down 
the exact same token from Gmail. The Google account info says that the 
access "Does not expire" but it still stops working. I have a master 
password file set up.


If I were to main user of this account, then this would be an annoyance 
and nothing more, but this is set up for a blind woman who is still 
learning to interact with the screen reader. She is not able at this 
time to go through those steps. So, if there is a way to keep the 
authentication going on Alpine's end, I'd love to hear it.


Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
I don't have personal experience with that method; I use a different 
one. While someone with experience with your method comes, I'll explain 
mine.


I use gmail application passwords. The idea is that you generate in the 
web interface of Google a password for each application you use, in this 
case Alpine. This password is random, longish, and seems to be 
permanent. But it requires that you have that second factor auth thing 
enabled.


<https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en>


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Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info]

Hi Marc,
so others can start with the basics, can you first share which Ubuntu, and 
which alpine you are using?
Is the person experiencing sight loss also using Linux, or some other 
system?
What I personally ended up doing, profoundly fortunately, is  connecting 
with   a talent  through the Toronto Linux group who likes to create 
servers.
I ssh  into shellworld from my own chosen screen reader..there are scores 
of them across platforms, then ssh into  his shell, where alpine is set up 
with my gmail account.
I suspect others here will need to know more about the floor if that makes 
sense.
Imap is creative generally, keeping gmail happy is an entirely different 
dance .

With respect,
Karen



On Sat, 18 May 2024, Marc Lytle via Alpine-info wrote:


Hello all,

I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect to the
Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this just stops
working after a couple of days. This is coming from a WSL environment
(Ubuntu). I have the master password set up and if necessary I can open the
links provided in Alpine and work through the steps to re-auquthorize it.
The weird thing is that each time I'm pulling down the exact same token
from Gmail. The Google account info says that the access "Does not expire"
but it still stops working. I have a master password file set up.

If I were to main user of this account, then this would be an annoyance and
nothing more, but this is set up for a blind woman who is still learning to
interact with the screen reader. She is not able at this time to go through
those steps. So, if there is a way to keep the authentication going
on Alpine's end, I'd love to hear it.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
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marclytle.com


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[Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Marc Lytle via Alpine-info]

Hello all,

I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect to the
Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this just stops
working after a couple of days. This is coming from a WSL environment
(Ubuntu). I have the master password set up and if necessary I can open the
links provided in Alpine and work through the steps to re-auquthorize it.
The weird thing is that each time I'm pulling down the exact same token
from Gmail. The Google account info says that the access "Does not expire"
but it still stops working. I have a master password file set up.

If I were to main user of this account, then this would be an annoyance and
nothing more, but this is set up for a blind woman who is still learning to
interact with the screen reader. She is not able at this time to go through
those steps. So, if there is a way to keep the authentication going
on Alpine's end, I'd love to hear it.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
-- 
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marclytle.com
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Re: Cyrus imap 3.4.4 - email notification not working

[Vladas Palubinskas via Info]

2024-05-16 11:21 Josef Karliak via Info:

Notify socket is set in imapd.conf
"notifysocket: /var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify",
the socket exists, idled sockets too


Does this entry match the same path in *cyrus.conf*?

In my case (Cyrus IMAP 3.8.2 on FreeBSD 14R), it is


# this is required if using notifications
notify  cmd="notifyd" listen="/var/cyrus/socket/notify" proto="udp" 
prefork=1

You should probably replace my /cyrus/ with your /spool/imap/config/.

Vladas

https://vladas.palubinskas.lt/

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Cyrus imap 3.4.4 - email notification not working

[Josef Karliak via Info]

  Hi there,

  what should cause not working email notification ? In the syslog I see 
that the system has event while receiving an email to mail box 
("notify[11274]: do_notify using method 'mailto'").


  Notify socket is set in imapd.conf "notifysocket: 
/var/spool/imap/config/socket/notify", the socket exists, idled sockets 
too


  I've also set up notifiers in imapd.conf:

mailnotifier: mailto

sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail

sievenotifier: mailto

  What did I missed ?

  Thanks and best regards

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Bojana Kunst, Stefan NowotnyEdited by Lina Dokuzović
Audio to be released today, 15 May, at 18:00 CEST
Bojana Kunst's new book deals with the complex relationship between life and art and discusses this relationship from the angle of care. The author not only critically examines various backgrounds to contemporary debates on care, but furthermore lays an emphasis on its ambivalent character: care can be part and parcel of relations of violence as much as it can become the basis for a poetic-imaginative reorientation of social, ecological and micropolitical relationality.
This recording of the book presentation with Bojana Kunst and Stefan Nowotny took place at Depot in Vienna (https://depot.or.at) on 20 March 2024. The presentation of the German translation of the book took place in English, with parts of the following audience discussion also in German. It has been published by transversal texts as an audio episode as part of the Peripheral Visions project.
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Re: [Mingw-w64-public] GetRawInputData writes .header.hDevice == NULL to pData

[info]

Correction, it apparently doesn't go away if I restart my computer, I 
only thought it did.


It actually is only NULL for the touchpad in my laptop, but not for the 
mouse, thus using the touchpad and then the mouse I thought it went 
away.


I've tested it in visual studio now too, and it happens there as well, 
thus it is not a mingw issue.


i...@wallby.nl schreef op 2024-05-14 14:13:

It seems to go away if I restart my computer, but it seems absurd that 
I should have to restart my computer.


It also very quickly reappears.

My application doesn't have any memory leaks (I've checked using wrap 
malloc and wrap free).


I've registered two RAWINPUTDEVICE elements, both have..
* dwFlags == RIDEV_DEVNOTIFY | RIDEV_INPUTSINK
* hwndTarget != NULL
* usUsagePage == HID_USAGE_PAGE_GENERIC

One has usUsage == HID_USAGE_GENERIC_MOUSE
The other has usUsage == HID_USAGE_GENERIC_KEYBOARD

Here is the GetRawInputData code in the WNDPROC for WM_INPUT..

struct
{
PRAWINPUT a;
} prawinput = { .a = NULL };

do
{
struct
{
HRAWINPUT a;
} hrawinput = { .a = (HRAWINPUT)lParam };

UINT a;
if(GetRawInputData(hrawinput.a, RID_HEADER, NULL, , 
sizeof(RAWINPUTHEADER)) != 0)

{
//... //< print GetLastError using FormatMessage
break;
}

prawinput.a = malloc(a);
UINT a = GetRawInputData((HRAWINPUT)lParam, RID_HEADER, prawinput.a, 
, sizeof(RAWINPUTHEADER));

printf("%u bytes copied into prawinput.a\n", a);
printf("sizeof(.header) %i\n", sizeof(prawinput.a->header));
printf("sizeof(.data) %i\n", sizeof(prawinput.a->data));
printf("sizeof(.mouse %i sizeof(.keyboard) %i 
sizeof(.hid) %i\n",  sizeof(prawinput.a->data.mouse), 
sizeof(prawinput.a->data.keyboard), sizeof(prawinput.a->data.hid));

if(a == (UINT)-1)
{
//... //< print GetLastError using FormatMessage
break;
}

printf("->header.hDevice %p\n", prawinput.a->header.hDevice);

//...
} while(0);
if(prawinput.a != NULL)
{
free(prawinput.a);
}

Is this a bug in mingw, I am not doing anything different from 
https://www.codeproject.com/articles/185522/using-the-raw-input-api-to-process-joystick-input 
in using GetRawInputData, besides using malloc instead of HeapAlloc, 
which the documentation doesn't mention as a criteria, and the message 
after the second GetRawInputData prints "24 bytes copied into 
prawinput.a" if using RID_HEADER and "48 bytes copied into prawinput.a" 
if using RID_INPUT. In both cases the last message printed is 
"->header.hDevice ".

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RE: Synonyms and text search

[info]

The schema is like this:

Field: sm_vid_Category

Field-Type:org.apache.solr.schema.StrField

 

In this field, we have this value : Artificial Intelligence

And there is 4 documents that has this value.

The description field belongs to: 

 


Field: content


Field-Type:

org.apache.solr.schema.TextField

PI Gap:

100

Docs:

 

 171

 

 

Here we can found for example, the word “AI” than in synonyms belongs to 
Artificial Intelligence

If I do the search with AI only returns the 4 documents that belongs to 
sm_vid_Category

 

But in the other document that contents this in the description:

 

AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI
skjdskjdkjdskdj
AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI
sdlsldsjdsjdjs
AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI
ssdjashdkjshd asdhashdakhd

 

it never return in the search if I search “AI”, but it return the document if I 
search “skjdskjdkjdskdj” or “sdlsldsjdsjdjs”

 

Regards,

Jordi
JOINSO

 

-Mensaje original-
De: Mikhail Khludnev  
Enviado el: martes, 14 de mayo de 2024 15:01
Para: users@solr.apache.org
Asunto: Re: Synonyms and text search

 

It depends on schema and query parser details. You may use Analysis screen, 
debugQuery=true, and explainOther=id:123 to troubleshoot this case.

 

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 11:50 AM <  i...@joinso.cat> 
wrote:

 

> Hi!

> I am using Apache Solr 5.3.1, and I setup synonyms text file.

> It works as expected.

> 

> For example, in my synonyms.txt file I have:

> 

> ML,mL,Ml,ml,Machine Learning

> 

> AI,Ai,aI,ai,Artificial Intelligence

> 

> 

> I have 2 categories in a field with this terms: Machine Learning and 

> Artificial Intelligence I tagged 4 documents with Artificial 

> Intelligence and one document without this tag.

> But in this document I added in the description the word “AI” several 

> times.

> 

> When I search for AI it returns the 4 documents but not the one not 

> tagged that it has the word AI inside the description.

> There is anyway to return all the document that match the synonyms and 

> also that the text is in inside the document?

> 

> 

> 

> Atentamente / Atentament  / Regards,

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[Mingw-w64-public] GetRawInputData writes .header.hDevice == NULL to pData

[info]

It seems to go away if I restart my computer, but it seems absurd that I 
should have to restart my computer.


It also very quickly reappears.

My application doesn't have any memory leaks (I've checked using wrap 
malloc and wrap free).


I've registered two RAWINPUTDEVICE elements, both have..
* dwFlags == RIDEV_DEVNOTIFY | RIDEV_INPUTSINK
* hwndTarget != NULL
* usUsagePage == HID_USAGE_PAGE_GENERIC

One has usUsage == HID_USAGE_GENERIC_MOUSE
The other has usUsage == HID_USAGE_GENERIC_KEYBOARD

Here is the GetRawInputData code in the WNDPROC for WM_INPUT..

struct
{
  PRAWINPUT a;
} prawinput = { .a = NULL };

do
{
  struct
  {
HRAWINPUT a;
  } hrawinput = { .a = (HRAWINPUT)lParam };

  UINT a;
  if(GetRawInputData(hrawinput.a, RID_HEADER, NULL, , 
sizeof(RAWINPUTHEADER)) != 0)

  {
//... //< print GetLastError using FormatMessage
break;
  }

  prawinput.a = malloc(a);
  UINT a = GetRawInputData((HRAWINPUT)lParam, RID_HEADER, prawinput.a, 
, sizeof(RAWINPUTHEADER));

  printf("%u bytes copied into prawinput.a\n", a);
  printf("sizeof(.header) %i\n", sizeof(prawinput.a->header));
  printf("sizeof(.data) %i\n", sizeof(prawinput.a->data));
  printf("sizeof(.mouse %i sizeof(.keyboard) %i 
sizeof(.hid) %i\n",  sizeof(prawinput.a->data.mouse), 
sizeof(prawinput.a->data.keyboard), sizeof(prawinput.a->data.hid));

  if(a == (UINT)-1)
  {
//... //< print GetLastError using FormatMessage
break;
  }

  printf("->header.hDevice %p\n", 
prawinput.a->header.hDevice);


  //...
} while(0);
if(prawinput.a != NULL)
{
  free(prawinput.a);
}

Is this a bug in mingw, I am not doing anything different from 
https://www.codeproject.com/articles/185522/using-the-raw-input-api-to-process-joystick-input 
in using GetRawInputData, besides using malloc instead of HeapAlloc, 
which the documentation doesn't mention as a criteria, and the message 
after the second GetRawInputData prints "24 bytes copied into 
prawinput.a" if using RID_HEADER and "48 bytes copied into prawinput.a" 
if using RID_INPUT. In both cases the last message printed is 
"->header.hDevice ".

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Synonyms and text search

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Hi!
I am using Apache Solr 5.3.1, and I setup synonyms text file.
It works as expected.

For example, in my synonyms.txt file I have:

ML,mL,Ml,ml,Machine Learning

AI,Ai,aI,ai,Artificial Intelligence


I have 2 categories in a field with this terms: Machine Learning and
Artificial Intelligence
I tagged 4 documents with Artificial Intelligence and one document without
this tag.
But in this document I added in the description the word “AI” several times.

When I search for AI it returns the 4 documents but not the one not tagged
that it has the word AI inside the description.
There is anyway to return all the document that match the synonyms and also
that the text is in inside the document?

 

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Re: [Alpine-info] Syncronization of alpine mail folders?

[via Alpine-info]

dear Carlos,
Thanks a lot, but:
does that work if the offline mail archive consists of hundreds of ASCII text 
files,
as described below? Can I maintain such an archive on one machine, synching 
with the other,
using imap? (and if so how; is that described somewhere?) Sorry if this is a 
kind of stupid question...
Kind Regards
John
*-*
rom MAILER-DAEMON Fri Nov 19 10:55:39 2010
Date: 19 Nov 2010 10:55:39 +0100
From: Mail System Internal Data
Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA
Message-ID: <1290160539>
X-IMAP: 1243431990 000303 $Forwarded
Status: RO

This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not



> On 2024-05-11 15:03, via Alpine-info wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> Is there any approach to update/synchronize an offline alpine email
>> archive, while I'm doing all the sending/receiving of email on a
>> different computer (which is online)? The offline and the online
>> computer would be connected once in a while via some encrypted file transfer
>> via a cable.
>> All the best
>
> The easiest way is to have both systems online syncing to the same
> remote IMAP server.
>
> Otherwise, there is a method using your own imap server on both
> machines, and syncing them. Or combinations of that.
>
> --
> Cheers / Saludos,
>
>Carlos E. R.
>(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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Re: [Alpine-info] Syncronization of alpine mail folders?

[Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info]

On 2024-05-11 15:03, via Alpine-info wrote:

Dear All,
Is there any approach to update/synchronize an offline alpine email
archive, while I'm doing all the sending/receiving of email on a
different computer (which is online)? The offline and the online
computer would be connected once in a while via some encrypted file transfer
via a cable.
All the best


The easiest way is to have both systems online syncing to the same 
remote IMAP server.


Otherwise, there is a method using your own imap server on both 
machines, and syncing them. Or combinations of that.


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[Alpine-info] Google Less Secure Apps - End Of Life

[Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info]

Executive Summary:

Google Less Secure Apps (LSA) will be turned off in two stages:
   Beginning June 15, 2024:
  No new accounts
   Beginning September 30, 2024:
  Access to LSAs will be turned off for all Google Workspace accounts.

OAuth and App Password access to smtp/imap/pop etc. will continue.

https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2023/09/winding-down-google-sync-and-less-secure-apps-support.html?m=1

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[Alpine-info] Syncronization of alpine mail folders?

[via Alpine-info]

Dear All,
Is there any approach to update/synchronize an offline alpine email
archive, while I'm doing all the sending/receiving of email on a
different computer (which is online)? The offline and the online
computer would be connected once in a while via some encrypted file transfer
via a cable.
All the best
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Re: Shared addressbook

[Deborah Pickett via Info]

Hi Chris,

> Would you happen to know the URI for the global addressbook? I've 
tried /dav/addressbooks/shared and that doesn't work. Is there a global 
user that I'm not aware of?


It is that URL (though I think the server is happier if you put a 
trailing slash after the name of the address book), but because 
Thunderbird relies entirely on resource discovery for DAV (since version 
102 IIRC) there's no way to convince it to use the full exact URL. I 
even tried hacking the config; it won't use a URL that isn't visible 
through discovery.


If you have a mail client with low-level DAV support that will use your 
URL literally (say, Outlook with CalDavSynchronizer) then the URL you 
gave should* still work.  (* We no longer support Outlook at $dayjob so 
it too may have changed since we migrated off it two or three years ago.)


There's no global user, and global DAV resources like calendars and 
addressbooks don't even belong in domain namespaces like users do.


That issue I linked to is probably where you'll find resolution, but 
progress on it has been slow. Fastmail (the most well-known commercial 
service running Cyrus), for the record, doesn't use shared-public DAV 
resources at all; I'm guessing that Fastmail shared contacts are 
implemented as a magical-named normal user within the domain, perhaps 
because public DAV resources have no domain namespacing.


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Re: Shared addressbook

[Chris Walker via Info]

Hi Deborah,

Would you happen to know the URI for the global addressbook? I've tried 
/dav/addressbooks/shared and that doesn't work. Is there a global user that I'm 
not aware of?

Thanks,
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Re: Shared addressbook

[Deborah Pickett via Info]

On 6/05/2024 15:11, chris.walker via Info wrote:
I've read this thread 
https://cyrus.topicbox.com/groups/info/T248cc29fc67c78e9 and followed 
the instructions here 
https://cyrus.topicbox.com/groups/info/T248cc29fc67c78e9-M7812be75b680b7738ab7de7e/caldav-setup-help for 
creating a shared addressbook. The problem I'm now having is that I 
can't open the shared addressbook using discovery or direct address. 
The documentation here 
https://www.cyrusimap.org/3.6/imap/download/installation/http/carddav.html#configuration suggests 
that we can create a public addressbook but I'm not even able to 
access the public addressbook using Thunderbird. Has anyone ever done 
this? Is this even possible?


Hi Chris,

I reckon you're being hit by this 
https://github.com/cyrusimap/cyrus-imapd/issues/2373 ("Shared xDAV 
(CalDAV/CardDAV) resources are not discoverable"). It looks like recent 
Thunderbirds do the discovery thing rather than just take the URL you 
pass verbatim. It certainly did work on older versions of Thunderbird 
(in the 60s).


I have set up shared address books and calendars at $dayjob but they're 
not very useful because they are omitted from discovery.


Deb


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[Hol-info] FACS 2024 - Third Call for Papers

[Marmsoler, Diego via hol-info]

- Ana Cavalcanti (University of York, UK)
- David Parker (University of Oxford, UK)
- Geguang Pu (ECNU, China)


PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS

- Diego Marmsoler (University of Exeter, United Kingdom)
- Meng Sun (Peking University, China)



PROGRAM COMMITTEE


- Achim Brucker (University of Exeter, United Kingdom)
- Antónia Lopes (Universidade de Lisboa, Portugal)
- Anton Wijs (Eindhoven University of Technology, Netherlands)
- Arpit Sharma (IISERB, India)
- Brijesh Dongol (University of Surrey, United Kingdom)
- Camilo Rocha (Pontificia Universidad Javeriana Cali, Colombia)
- Clemens Dubslaff (Eindhoven University of Technology, Netherlands)
- Fatemeh Ghassemi (University of Tehran, Iran)
- Giorgio Audrito (University of Turin, Italy)
- Gwen Salaün (University of Grenoble Alpes, France)
- Ivan Lanese (University of Bologna/INRIA, Italy)
- Jacopo Mauro (University of Southern Denmark, Denmark)
- José Proença (University of Porto, Portugal)
- Keigo Imai (DeNA Co., Japan)
- Kenneth Johnson (Auckland University of Technology, New Zealand)
- Kyungmin Bae (POSTECH, South Korea)
- Luís Soares Barbosa (University of Minho, Portugal)
- Marie Farrell (The University of Manchester, United Kingdom)
- Mario Gleirscher (Universität Bremen, Germany)
- Mieke Massink (CNR-ISTI, Italy)
- Olga Kouchnarenko (University of Franche-Comté, France)
- Peter Ölveczky (University of Oslo, Norway)
- Samir Genaim (Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Spain)
- Shoji Yuen (Nagoya University, Japan)
- Simon Bliudze (INRIA Lille, France)
- Simon Foster (University of York, United Kingdom)
- Violet Ka I Pun (Western Norway University of Applied Sciences, Norway)
- Xiyue Zhang (Oxford University, United Kingdom)
- Zhenbang Chen (NUDT, China)

Diego Marmsoler
Lecturer (Education and Research), Computer Science
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ARTIIS 2024 and Special Sessions CFP - Santiago de Chile, Chile - Hybrid format - Indexed by Scopus

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Dear Researcher

We cordially invite you to participate in the International Conference on 
Advanced Research in Technologies, Information, Innovation and Sustainability 
(ARTIIS 2024), to be held at Universidad Andrés Bello, on October 21-23, 
Santiago de Chile, Chile. 

The conference will be in a hybrid format (in-Person and Virtual).

Main conference and Special Sessions proceedings will be published with 
Springer in their Communications in Computer and Information Science series 
(CCIS) with Springer. CCIS is abstracted/indexed in DBLP, Google Scholar, 
EI-Compendex, SCImago, Scopus. CCIS volumes are also submitted for inclusion in 
ISI Proceedings. Last ARTIIS CCIS Proceedings.

Submitted papers should be related to one or more of the main themes proposed.


1. Computing Solutions
- Applied Information Systems (e.g. Healthcare, Law, Economics, Education)
- Web and Mobile Applications
- Networks, Mobility, Ubiquity and Pervasive Systems
- Innovative Computing
- Gamification Application and Technologies
- Software Engineering

2. Data Intelligence
- Advanced Computational Intelligence
- Computer Vision and Image Processing
- Artificial Intelligence and Data Science
- Data Engineering, Analytics, and Applications
- Intelligent and Decision Support Systems
- Information and Knowledge Management

3. Sustainability
- Immersive Tech and the Future of Smart Cities
- Industrial Advanced Internet of Things
- Internet of Things Environment
- Sustainable Infrastructure Development
- Technology, Marketing and Socio-economic challenges

4. Ethics, Security, and Privacy
- Information and Telecommunication Systems Security
- Innovative Communication Networks and Security
- Vulnerabilities of Interoperability and Information system
- Interdisciplinary Information Studies
- Ethics of Social Sciences for Computer Applications







  Beyond the Main Conference ARTIIS 2024 there are several Special Sessions:
   
   - ACMaSDA 2024:Applications of Computational Mathematics to Simulation and 
Data Analysis
   - BTDT 2024: Business, Technology and Digital Transformation   

   - CICITE 2024:Challenges and the Impact of ICT on Education
   - GAT 2024: 2nd Workshop on Gamification Application and Technologies
   - ISTIIS 2024: International Symposium on Technological Innovations for 
Industry and Society
   - ISHMC 2024: Intelligent Systems for Health and Medical Care
   - SMARTTIS 2024: Smart Tourism and Information Systems
   - ET-AI 2024: Emergent Technologies and Artificial Intelligence
   - IWET 2024: International Workshop on Electronic and Telecommunications
   - TechDiComM 2024: Technological Strategies on Digital Communication and 
Marketing
   - glossaLAB 2024: Bridging Knowledge in a Fragmented World
   - #RTNT 2024: Emerging Technologies to Revitalize Tourism
   - CICT 2024: Cybersecurity in Information and Communication Technologies
   - WIN-WIN-4S 2024: Workshop on IoT Networks and Wireless for sustaINability  
 

   - JIUTE 2024: Innovation in Educational Technology   



Selected papers will be invited to publish an extended version in:

   
   - SN Computer Science, Springer Nature
   - Computation, MDPI
   - EAI Endorsed Transactions on Smart Cities, open access, peer-reviewed 
scholarly journal, EAI 




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Shared addressbook

[chris.walker via Info]

I've read this thread https://cyrus.topicbox.com/groups/info/T248cc29fc67c78e9 
and followed the instructions here 
https://cyrus.topicbox.com/groups/info/T248cc29fc67c78e9-M7812be75b680b7738ab7de7e/caldav-setup-help
 for creating a shared addressbook. The problem I'm now having is that I can't 
open the shared addressbook using discovery or direct address. The 
documentation here 
https://www.cyrusimap.org/3.6/imap/download/installation/http/carddav.html#configuration
 suggests that we can create a public addressbook but I'm not even able to 
access the public addressbook using Thunderbird. Has anyone ever done this? Is 
this even possible?

Thanks for your help,
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QUEER TOSQUELLESAnti-Fascism, Vagabonding Psychiatry, Non-Identitarian Lives 
International Conference21 June 2024, 10:30 – 22 June, 18:00Kunsthochschule für Medien KölnAula of the KHMFilzengraben 2, Köln
QUEER TOSQUELLES will engage with the history of revolutionary, anti-fascist psychiatric practices and their involvement in ways of fleeing and resisting since the 1920s in Spain, France, Italy, and Germany.
The international conference will focus on the practices of Catalan/French psychiatrist François Tosquelles (1912–1994), who influenced Félix Guattari, Frantz Fanon and many others – from institutional analysis to political philosophy. Tosquelles is still largely unknown in Germany. For some years now, however, a lively reception has been taking place in the art field, especially in Spain and France, with large archival and research exhibitions, catalogues and films.
The conference at the KHM will bring together researchers and artists working on the genealogies of Tosquelles's manifold surrounds and exploring the potentials of his practice today. Here, queerness emerges in many facets: through Tosquelles's insistence on the deconstruction of the nuclear family and the importance of other forms of making kin, through the various rhythms of vagabonding, through the weird, the strange, the non-sensical and the non-normalized, through a political philosophy of multiplicity, through a queering practice that traverses all non-identitarian forms of life. With Janna Graham, Carles Guerra, Isabell Lorey, Angela Melitopoulos, Stefan Nowotny, Anne Querrien, Gerald Raunig, Wanderley Santos, Francesco Salvini, Henning Schmidgen, Elena Vogman.
Organized by Isabell Lorey, Anna Bromley, Konstantin Butz, Lilian Haberer, Katrin M. Kämpf, Mary Mikaelyan, Maren Mildner, Stefan Nowotny, Heidi PfohlIn cooperation with the European Institute for Progressive Cultural Policies (eipcp)
Info/schedule: https://www.khm.de/queertosquelles/ 
 
Out now
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Re: [Clonezilla-live] How to Clone Only Some Partitions From Source Linux Disk?

[Robert K Coffman Jr. -Info From Data Corp.]

  
  
I'm sure there might be a better way, but cloning the entire disk
  and then deleting the unwanted partitions on the destination disk
  would accomplish this.
- Robert

On 4/30/2024 12:20 PM, Jon Forrest
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I
  have a large ext4 format source drive with 7 partitions.
  
  I need to clone only the first 3 partitions to a
  
  smaller target drive.
  
  
  I know how to clone the entire source drive, and
  
  I know how to clone 1 partition, but I don't
  
  know how to clone only 3 partitions.
  
  
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Bug#1070130: python3-pycurl: SSL path issues - upstream bug

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Package: python3-pycurl
Version: 7.45.3-2
Severity: grave
Tags: upstream
Justification: renders package unusable

Dear Maintainer,

Please consider

https://github.com/pycurl/pycurl/issues/834
pycurl 7.45.3 wheel not working for https in debian/ubuntu systems

I confirm that the debian package for 7.45.3 fails sometimes to handle SSL 
connections,
meanwhile 7.45.2 works properly always.

Mabye it can be manually patched, or skip version 7.45.3 for debian.

Thanks,



-- System Information:
Debian Release: trixie/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (650, 'stable-security'), (600, 'stable'), 
(500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'oldstable-updates'), (500, 'unstable'), (250, 
'oldstable-security'), (200, 'oldstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 6.6.15-amd64 (SMP w/16 CPU threads; PREEMPT)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_PROPRIETARY_MODULE, TAINT_OOT_MODULE
Locale: LANG=en_US.utf8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Versions of packages python3-pycurl depends on:
ii  libc62.37-18
ii  libcurl4t64  8.7.1-3
ii  libssl3t64   3.2.1-3
ii  python3  3.11.8-1

python3-pycurl recommends no packages.

Versions of packages python3-pycurl suggests:
pn  libcurl4-openssl-dev  
pn  python-pycurl-doc 

-- no debconf information

Bug#1070130: python3-pycurl: SSL path issues - upstream bug

[info]

Package: python3-pycurl
Version: 7.45.3-2
Severity: grave
Tags: upstream
Justification: renders package unusable

Dear Maintainer,

Please consider

https://github.com/pycurl/pycurl/issues/834
pycurl 7.45.3 wheel not working for https in debian/ubuntu systems

I confirm that the debian package for 7.45.3 fails sometimes to handle SSL 
connections,
meanwhile 7.45.2 works properly always.

Mabye it can be manually patched, or skip version 7.45.3 for debian.

Thanks,



-- System Information:
Debian Release: trixie/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (650, 'stable-security'), (600, 'stable'), 
(500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'oldstable-updates'), (500, 'unstable'), (250, 
'oldstable-security'), (200, 'oldstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 6.6.15-amd64 (SMP w/16 CPU threads; PREEMPT)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_PROPRIETARY_MODULE, TAINT_OOT_MODULE
Locale: LANG=en_US.utf8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Versions of packages python3-pycurl depends on:
ii  libc62.37-18
ii  libcurl4t64  8.7.1-3
ii  libssl3t64   3.2.1-3
ii  python3  3.11.8-1

python3-pycurl recommends no packages.

Versions of packages python3-pycurl suggests:
pn  libcurl4-openssl-dev  
pn  python-pycurl-doc 

-- no debconf information

Bug#1070127: rss2email: update of upstream version

[info]

Package: rss2email
Version: 1:3.13.1-3
Severity: wishlist
Tags: upstream

Dear Maintainer,

The debian webpage
https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/rss2email
references into https://github.com/wking/rss2email as the "homepage" of the 
project,
this github project references, https://pypi.org/project/rss2email/ as the 
project website,

But this last one references https://github.com/rss2email/rss2email as the 
current project website,

Please update to https://github.com/rss2email/rss2email/releases/tag/v3.14


The new option "Add a new `subject-format` setting, customise the subject line" 
looks quite interesting.

Thanks,



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Debian Release: trixie/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (650, 'stable-security'), (600, 'stable'), 
(500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'oldstable-updates'), (500, 'unstable'), (250, 
'oldstable-security'), (200, 'oldstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 6.6.15-amd64 (SMP w/16 CPU threads; PREEMPT)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_PROPRIETARY_MODULE, TAINT_OOT_MODULE
Locale: LANG=en_US.utf8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Versions of packages rss2email depends on:
ii  python3 3.11.8-1
ii  python3-feedparser  6.0.10-1
ii  python3-html2text   2024.2.26-1

Versions of packages rss2email recommends:
ii  python3-bs4  4.12.3-1

Versions of packages rss2email suggests:
pn  esmtp  

-- no debconf information

[Hol-info] Call for Papers: Scheme '24

[Kristopher K Micinski via hol-info]

ning talks can be submitted as either a text file or a PDF file.

* Workshop Organization

Organizing Committee:
Kristopher Micinski (Syracuse University, United States)
Youyou Cong (Tokyo Institute of Technology, Japan)

Program Committee:
Julia Belyakova (Purdue University, United States)
Kimball Germane (Brigham Young University, United States)
Yuki Nishida (Kyoto University, Japan)
Gabriel Scherer (Inria Saclay, France)
Philipp Schuster (University of Tübingen, Germany)
Taro Sekiyama (National Institute of Informatice, Japan)
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Re: What certificate uses "httpd -s"?

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On 2024-04-28 15:01, quoth
  hru...@gmail.com:Since we are with sasl, here my settings:sasl_pwcheck_method: auxpropsasl_auxprop_plugin: ldapdbsasl_ldapdb_uri: ldap://127.0.0.1sasl_ldapdb_id: [...]sasl_ldapdb_pw: [...]sasl_ldapdb_canon_attr: uidBut what means "Failed to set SASL property"?
I'm guessing as to the cause of your problem, but there are a few
things that are difficult to get working with caldav and SASL.
Firstly, make sure that you are NOT using DIGEST-MD5.  You can use
the other SASL mechanisms still:
http_sasl_mech_list: plain cram-md5 scram-sha-256
Then, note that caldav needs virtual domains enabled - you can then
set a default domain:
http_virtdomains: userid
http_defaultdomain: 
caldav_realm: 
 is the domain part of the email address.
 may or may not be the same as the email
domain.
That may or may not help with the issue you're seeing.Disclaimer: http://www2.peralex.com/disclaimer.html

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HELP with email attachments ONLY clean up

[INFO @ TRIMLINE via dovecot]

Hello Dovecot Dev team,

 

In my cpanel, we use your email management. This is what my hosting provider
has allowed. 

 

Our problem: 

Since the introduction of "hi def cameras on mobile phones", we are getting
emails with "huge attachments". The email which comes with the attachments
is also important. However, once we download the email (imap), using any of
the email clients (outlook, bluemail etc.) the mailbox still has these huge
attachments. Because of this, our mailbox storage gets filled up quickly. In
our email client software, we can delete (attachments only), and leave the
email in our mailbox. So this work around helps us keep our mailbox size
manageable. Unfortunately, not everyone does this "email attachment cleanup"
regularly and end up being locked out of email storage space and probably
lost a few hours of productive time.

 

Our dev Request:

Would it be possible to create a setting for end users in our Cpanel, in
which we can delete the attachments without deleting the actual message? 

So query should have: 

 (drop down selection, like you have it now)

*   Filter 01: Select Messages older than nnn days (where nnn would be
100 to 999 days) (so for the first 99 days, every imap client would have the
opportunity to download the email and the attachments)
*   From Filter 01 = Filter 02: Select messages which are >xxx Mb (where
xxx could be 001 to 999 Mb)
*   From Filter 02 = Filter 03: Select only messages which contain
attachments (Yes)
*   From Filter 03: Permanently Delete the attachments ONLY, So not
deleting the actual email msg (OK).

So on day 100 (or after the clean up is done), the imap email client will
now only get the email but not the attachments (in the event they need to
refresh their email setup).

 

If such a query can be created and installed on our Cpanel, we can run this
"clean up attachments" query regularly and as such reduce our mailbox size.

 

Q: Would it be possible to create such a clean up tool (pre-defined) so that
the cpanel web service admin user only has to enter (nnn and xxx and Yes) to
finally click on "OK" to delete the attachments?

 

If this would be possible, what will it cost us to have it installed on our
Cpanel?

 

There is so much information/documentation already on your website
(doc.dovecot.org) and I spent about 60 min looking for such a "clean up
tool" documentation, but started getting dizzy reading all that script
language etc. Not my cup of tea.

 

Please help.

 

Thank you for considering and reading this request.

 

Kind regards

 

M. Akil Walji

 

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[Hol-info] 11th Rodin Workshop - Call for Abstracts

[Asieh Salehi Fathabadi via hol-info]

The 11th Rodin User and Developer Workshop, 25th June, 2024, Bergamo, Italy

Rodin Workshop 2024 
Website<https://wiki.event-b.org/index.php/Rodin_Workshop_2024>

The 11th Rodin workshop will be collocated with the

ABZ 2024 Conference<https://abz-conf.org/site/2024/>.

The purpose of this workshop is to bring together existing and potential users 
and developers of the Rodin toolset and to foster a broader community of Rodin 
users and developers.

For Rodin users the workshop will provide an opportunity to share tool 
experiences and to gain an understanding of on-going tool developments. For 
plug-in developers the workshop will provide an opportunity to showcase their 
tools and to achieve better coordination of tool development effort.

If you are interested in giving a presentation at the Rodin workshop or have a 
plug-in to demonstrate, send a short abstract (1 or 2 pages PDF) to
ro...@ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:ro...@ecs.soton.ac.uk> by 30th May 2024 indicating 
whether it is a tool usage or tool development presentation.


We will endeavour to accommodate all submissions that are clearly relevant to 
Rodin and Event-B.

The proceedings of the workshop will be available as a technical report at the 
University of Southampton.


Organisers

Asieh Salehi Fathabadi, Senior Research Fellow, University of Southampton

Guillaume Verdier, Université de Paris-Est Créteil

Kristin Rutenkolk, Heinrich Heine University Düsseldorf

Neeraj Kumar Singh, Associate Professor, INPT-ENSEEIHT / IRIT, University of 
Toulouse

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Errors from cyr_expire on non-existent mailboxes

[Philip Prindeville via Info]

I'm seeing the following:

Apr 23 04:45:00 mail cyrus/cyr_expire[277603]: IOERROR: opening index failed: 
mailbox= error= syserror= func=
Apr 23 04:45:00 mail cyrus/cyr_expire[277603]: unable to open mailbox 
Nuser.philipp: System I/O error
Apr 23 04:45:00 mail cyrus/cyr_expire[277603]: IOERROR: opening index failed: 
mailbox= error= 
syserror= func=
Apr 23 04:45:00 mail cyrus/cyr_expire[277603]: unable to open mailbox 
Nuser.philipp.#splitconversations: System I/O error
Apr 23 04:45:00 mail cyrus/cyr_expire[277603]: IOERROR: opening index failed: 
mailbox= error= syserror= func=
Apr 23 04:45:00 mail cyrus/cyr_expire[277603]: unable to open mailbox 
Nuser.philipp.Apple Mail To Do: System I/O error
Apr 23 04:45:00 mail cyrus/cyr_expire[277603]: IOERROR: opening index failed: 
mailbox= error= syserror= func=
Apr 23 04:45:00 mail cyrus/cyr_expire[277603]: unable to open mailbox 
Nuser.philipp.Archive: System I/O error
Apr 23 04:45:00 mail cyrus/cyr_expire[277603]: IOERROR: opening index failed: 
mailbox= error= syserror= func=
...

And I'm wondering where it's getting this list of mailboxes.  Also, how to 
regenerate the list of mailboxes correctly that it wants to iterate over?

Thanks,

-Philip


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Deleted mailboxes but ctl_mboxlist still shows them

[Ml Ml via Info]

Hello,

i deleted some (autocreated) mailboxes with cyradm:

sam user.$ACCOUNT myadmin all
dm user.$ACCOUNT

However, they still seem to be in the mailbox list

/usr/lib/cyrus/bin/ctl_mboxlist -d |grep zzzuedth2iqa2
user.zzzuedth2iqa2  16 (null)
user.zzzuedth2iqa2.INBOX16 (null)
user.zzzuedth2iqa2.achive   16 (null)
user.zzzuedth2iqa2.spam 16 (null)
user.zzzuedth2iqa2.trash16 (null)

cyradm shows them, too with lm user.*

How do i delete them?

I tried
- reconstruct user.*

and

ctl_mboxlist -v /var/lib/cyrus/mailboxes.db

which shows:
'user.zzy7voro59endm6i.spam' has a DB entry but no directory on
partition '(null)'
'user.zzy7voro59endm6i.trash' has a DB entry but no directory on
partition '(null)'
'user.zzzuedth2iqa2' has a DB entry but no directory on partition '(null)'
'user.zzzuedth2iqa2.INBOX' has a DB entry but no directory on partition '(null)'
'user.zzzuedth2iqa2.achive' has a DB entry but no directory on
partition '(null)'
'user.zzzuedth2iqa2.spam' has a DB entry but no directory on partition '(null)'
'user.zzzuedth2iqa2.trash' has a DB entry but no directory on partition '(null)'

Any hint on this?

Thanks,
Michael

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[Hol-info] 21st International Conference on Principles of Knowledge Representation and Reasoning (KR 2024) - FINAL CALL FOR PAPERS (April 24, 2024)

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specific questions. Author responses should be concise, and are not 
intended to create a dialogue between reviewers and authors. Author 
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Accepted papers will be published in the KR 2024 proceedings. At least
one author of each accepted paper is required to participate in the
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Prizes for best papers (the Ray Reiter Best Paper Prize and the Marco 
Cadoli Best Student Paper Prize) may be awarded, and runners-up may be
mentioned. Top papers from KR 2024 will be invited to the 
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Journal of Artificial Intelligence Research (JAIR). Thus, award 
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Typical topics of interest include the following, but the list is not 
exhaustive. The conference welcomes all topics concerned with the 
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IJCAR 2024 - The 12th International Joint Conference on Automated Reasoning
Nancy, France, July 1-6, 2024
https://ijcar2024.loria.fr

Call for Participation
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IJCAR is the premier international joint conference on all topics in
automated reasoning. The IJCAR technical programme will consist of
presentations of high-quality regular research papers, short papers,
and invited talks.

IJCAR 2024 is a merger of leading events in automated reasoning:

 CADE (Conference on Automated Deduction),
 FroCoS   (Workshop on Frontiers of Combining Systems), and
 TABLEAUX (Conference on Analytic Tableaux and Related Methods)

The 2024 edition of the SAT/SMT/AR summer school will take place in
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IJCAR 2024 deadlines (all deadlines are firm, CET):
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  * late registration: from June 5 to June 24.

Registration, accommodation, and travel/visa information for IJCAR 2024
and the associated events can be found on the web site.
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Scientific Program
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+ Presentation of 3 invited talks
+ Presentation of 39 regular research papers
+ Presentation of 6 short papers
+ Presentation of the Herbrand Award to Armin Biere
+ 10 workshops, 2 competitions.
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with IJCAR 2024. See their individual web sites, linked from IJCAR 2024
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+ Workshops, July 1
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- Quantify, the International Workshop on Quantification
- TPTP tea party
- Vampire, the 8th Vampire workshop
- IFIP WG 1.6, a meeting of the IFIP Working Group 1.6 on Rewriting
  (presentations by invitation only, attendance open).

+ Workshops, July 2
- PAAR, the 9th International Workshop on Practical Aspects of
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- SC square, the Workshop on Satisfiability Checking and Symbolic Computation
- ThEdu, the 13th International Workshop on Theorem Proving Components
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[Mingw-w64-public] Has it been considered to add a port of DDD to mingw?

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Not sure if this message is sent correctly as sending the word "help" as 
in the welcome message's body/subject (I tried both) did not return any 
instruction message as claimed.


I.e. talking about the Data Display Debugger for gdb that comes with 
mingw.


I have seen others ask for a port of DDD to windows, but no actual 
response.


The only gdb gui for windows I could find was a browser-based one, which 
I am not a fan of.

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Re: Best practice to backup & restore cyrus imap data

[denis via Info]

hi All,

I used imapsync and email was transferred successfully. 
Thanks every one for the Help

reg

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In this discussion, Lora Timarova of the translation and publishing cooperative Radical Theory and Praxis talks about how their practices both emerged and developed in relation to the state of the Left – initially founded in and anchored to Moscow, and mainly integrating Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus – to later expanding to create a large translocal network that spans far beyond the region. Consisting of a large number of conscientious objectors to the invasion of Ukraine who fled being drafted or people who fled the war itself or those who fled other forms of oppression, the diaspora and other groups and individuals acting in solidarity support the work of the cooperative. We discuss the importance and remaining popularity of the printed book in times when people search for a sense of unity and collectivity in a landscape of corrupt media and fractured relations.
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Re: How to purge /var/spool/cyrus/mail/u/DELETED/user manually

[Ml Ml via Info]

Wow, thank you. That was an impressive answer which helped ;)

Thanks.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 9:30 AM Nic Bernstein  wrote:
>
> Michael,
> You haven't given us much information to go on.
>
> Which version of Cyrus?
> Did you install from distribution packages (i.e. debs on Ubuntu/Debian or rpm 
> on Redhat)?
>
> Some distros have different default settings
>
> What is 'delete_mode' set to? (I'm guessing "delayed" but still worth asking)
>
> Allowed values: immediate, delayed*
>
> What is 'expunge_mode' set to?
>
> Allowed values: default, immediate, delayed*
>
> Have you got any 'cyr_expire' jobs in cyrus.conf?
>
> The precise commands may vary by distro
>
> On Debian/Ubuntu systems look like this (using "cyrus expire") whereas others 
> may use "cyr_expire":
>
> # Expire data older than 28 days.
> deleteprunecmd="/usr/sbin/cyrus expire -E 4 -D 28" at=0430
> expungeprunecmd="/usr/sbin/cyrus expire -E 4 -X 28" at=0445
>
> Assuming you have typical annotations, you should be able to use the 
> 'cyr_expire' command directly.  Here's the man page for it:
>
> https://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/reference/manpages/systemcommands/cyr_expire.html
>
> On my Ubuntu system a command to remove all deleted mailboxes older than 1 
> minute might be:
>
> $ sudo cyrus expire -a -D 1m
>
> Cheers,
> -nic
>
> On 4/16/24 08:00, Ml Ml via Info wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> how can i purge /var/spool/cyrus/mail/u/DELETED/user.*
> manually/immediately from the filesystem?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
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