Re: [alto] New draft on joint exposure of network and compute information

2023-11-02 Thread LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO
Hi Adrian, all, I think that the approach is for what purpose we need the compute metrics, rather than who will make use of them (i.e. CATS, ALTO, etc). In our view we need compute-related metrics for the entire service lifecycle: instantiation, traffic steering, assurance, migration, etc. So

Re: [alto] [Cats] [Idr] New draft on joint exposure of network and compute information

2023-11-02 Thread Joel Halpern
It is not obvious to me that the metrics for service placement are at all tied to the metrics for isntance selection for client traffic.  For example, service placement may want to know about the capacity and type details of the physical server.  Client traffic direction generally does not

Re: [alto] [Cats] [Idr] New draft on joint exposure of network and compute information

2023-11-02 Thread LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO
Hi Joel, all, Please, see in-line Best regards Luis De: Cats En nombre de Joel Halpern Enviado el: jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023 19:04 Para: Jordi Ros Giralt ; Linda Dunbar ; c...@ietf.org; alto@ietf.org CC: i...@ietf.org Asunto: Re: [Cats] [Idr] New draft on joint exposure of network and

Re: [alto] New draft on joint exposure of network and compute information

2023-11-02 Thread Adrian Farrel
So, my view is that CATS is specifically chartered to look at these metrics. I think the metrics could equally be applied in ALTO (as I said at IETF-117 in the ALTO WG meeting). I had hoped that we might hold an interim to discuss metrics, but progress has been slow. That said, the CATS list

Re: [alto] New draft on joint exposure of network and compute information

2023-11-02 Thread Jordi Ros Giralt
Thanks Linda for your comments. Find my responses below: > Your draft describes two aspects of the service performance > impacted by the Computing: Service Deployment and Service (Path) > Selection. Those two should be separated, as the Service Deployment > belongs to the OpsArea, and the

Re: [alto] [Idr] New draft on joint exposure of network and compute information

2023-11-02 Thread Joel Halpern
There are, as far as I can tell, two very valid and very different approaches to service selection / traffic direction.  It can be done by the application, or it can be done by the operator edge.  CATS is chartered to address the operator-based approach. Applications clearly can chose to make

Re: [alto] New draft on joint exposure of network and compute information

2023-11-02 Thread Jordi Ros Giralt
Thanks Linda. These metrics can be common to a variety of use cases. That is, the same common metrics can be used to support the CATS use cases (exposure to the ingress point) or (as suggested by this draft) to support service providers and applications to make service deployment and selection