Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-15 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 5/15/2014 5:09 AM, Bob Briscoe wrote: Wes, I assume you also want comments on the new version. Is there a deadline for comments? Absolutely, yes. There's no deadline at the moment, but it would be good to get any out sooner rather than later, especially if they're likely to need more

Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-15 Thread Bob Briscoe
Gorry, At 16:55 15/05/2014, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: Great, I look forward to comments on the actual text. I agree the front part needs more structure and more topics called out. i started adding that in -04 and would be pleased to add a few more subsections if we get agreement. I'll wait

Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-15 Thread gorry
Gorry, And just on this... a) Congestion collapse: An AQM cannot prevent congestion collapse - that is the job of congestion control and, failing that, of policing. Even isolation (e.g. flow separation) doesn't prevent congestion collapse, because collapse is caused by the load from new

Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-15 Thread Dave Taht
I agree with the complement language. I don't mind if they are separable. Integration, however, is highly advantagous. I started another thread on the backlog issue. Because scheduling requires policy and AQM doesn't. Machine gunning down packets randomly until the flows start to behave