Re: [aqm] Experimental vs informational vs standards track

2016-02-05 Thread Polina Goltsman
On 02/05/2016 03:18 AM, Dave Täht wrote: Pie itself is proposed as standards track, despite the lack of field data, a 15 page criticism from bob briscoe of the public implementation, and other open issues like that. if "the public implementation" refers to Linux kernel module sch_pie, then it

Re: [aqm] Experimental vs informational vs standards track

2016-02-05 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Wesley Eddy writes: > IMHO, Standards Track carries more weight to say that there are no > sharp corners, and the IETF is pretty sure this works well. > Experimental is more cautious saying this looks pretty useful, and you > should consider trying it out, but it might have

Re: [aqm] Experimental vs informational vs standards track

2016-02-04 Thread Dave Täht
On 2/4/16 5:30 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: > On 2/4/2016 8:26 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: >> >> There is IESG explanation of the distinction here: >> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/informational-vs-experimental.html >> > > Quoting from that, I think this is the criteria that makes it most clear >

Re: [aqm] Experimental vs informational vs standards track

2016-02-04 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 2/4/2016 8:22 PM, Dave Täht wrote: I do not really understand how this criterion promotes docsis-pie from experimental to informational (or the reverse: demotes fq_codel from informational to experimental, which happened this morning... Hi Dave, I'm not ignoring the rest of your message,

Re: [aqm] Experimental vs informational vs standards track

2016-02-04 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 2/4/2016 9:18 PM, Dave Täht wrote: Pie itself is proposed as standards track, despite the lack of field data, a 15 page criticism from bob briscoe of the public implementation, and other open issues like that. Personally I've been waiting for an actual modem to test on before bothering to

Re: [aqm] Experimental vs informational vs standards track

2016-02-04 Thread Wesley Eddy
Dave, here is a longer answer to your specific questions; I hope this helps calibrate where I'm coming from at least: On 2/4/2016 8:22 PM, Dave Täht wrote: I realize now that there was a call as to what status it should be a while. I figured silence meant there was consensus on

Re: [aqm] Experimental vs informational vs standards track

2016-02-04 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 2/4/2016 8:26 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: There is IESG explanation of the distinction here: https://www.ietf.org/iesg/informational-vs-experimental.html Quoting from that, I think this is the criteria that makes it most clear Informational is appropriate for DOCSIS-PIE: """ 1. If it's not