Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-15 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
) Cc: Fred Baker (fred); John Leslie; aqm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309 On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) shahid.akh...@alcatel-lucent.com wrote: Hi Fred, All, Let me an additional thought to this issue. Given that (W)RED has been deployed extensively

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-15 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
[mailto:aqm-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker (fred) Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 1:23 PM To: Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) Cc: John Leslie; aqm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309 On Jul 14, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) shahid.akh...@alcatel-lucent.com wrote: Hi Fred, All

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-14 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker (fred) Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 2:06 AM To: John Leslie Cc: aqm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309 On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:22 AM, John Leslie j...@jlc.net wrote: It would be possible for someone to argue that restating a recommendation from

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-14 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
Subject: Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309 On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:22 AM, John Leslie j...@jlc.net wrote: It would be possible for someone to argue that restating a recommendation from another document weakens both statements; but I disagree: We should clearly state what we mean

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-14 Thread Dave Taht
and not use WRED. -Shahid. -Original Message- From: aqm [mailto:aqm-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker (fred) Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 2:06 AM To: John Leslie Cc: aqm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309 On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:22 AM, John Leslie j...@jlc.net wrote

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-03 Thread gorry
Just to keep people on the same page, the latest version is -06. Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: As I said yesterday, I am scratching my head on what it means to obsolete or update a document, and how that might

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-03 Thread John Leslie
Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: ... We also carried the recommendation into the draft: 4.4. AQM algorithms SHOULD respond to measured congestion, not application profiles. ... An AQM algorithm should not deliberately try to prejudice the size of packet that

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-02 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
Hi Wes, Can you share the update/text that John Leslie had suggested which Fred mentions in his comment. Thanks, -Shahid. -Original Message- From: aqm [mailto:aqm-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wesley Eddy Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 4:27 PM To: aqm@ietf.org Subject: [aqm] Obsoleting

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-02 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Jul 2, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) shahid.akh...@alcatel-lucent.com wrote: Hi Wes, Can you share the update/text that John Leslie had suggested which Fred mentions in his comment. Thanks, -Shahid. I have attached the text John sent yesterday. It is derived from

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-02 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: On Jul 1, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Wesley Eddy w...@mti-systems.com wrote: John Leslie noticed that some of the things Bob Briscoe had mentioned stem from trying to work from RFC 2309 as the starting point. We have been planning

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-02 Thread John Leslie
Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: On Jul 1, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Wesley Eddy w...@mti-systems.com wrote: John Leslie noticed that some of the things Bob Briscoe had mentioned stem from trying to work from RFC 2309 as the

Re: [aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-02 Thread John Leslie
Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Fred Baker (fred) f...@cisco.com wrote: As I said yesterday, I am scratching my head on what it means to obsolete or update a document, and how that might relate to this note. Fred is not alone! The IESG keeps coming back

[aqm] Obsoleting RFC 2309

2014-07-01 Thread Wesley Eddy
There has been a bit of discussion last week about draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation and how to improve the text near the beginning, that leads to and sets context for the actual recommendations. John Leslie noticed that some of the things Bob Briscoe had mentioned stem from trying to work from RFC