Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-16 Thread gorry
I agree the focus has been on updating the recommendations section. I quite understand that you have other things to do, so I'll try and summarise comments on the earlier sections and see if you agree. When we have a list we (with AQM chairs) can then decide what to do (work out how long it will

Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-16 Thread LAUTENSCHLAEGER, Wolfram (Wolfram)
@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation Wes, Thx. In case I don't get time to read, then type, I'll shoot my mouth off anyway... Sorry this is a bit rushed and dismissive. That's not my intention - I'm v supportive of the recommendations that have now

Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-16 Thread gorry
[mailto:aqm-boun...@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Bob Briscoe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Mai 2014 16:32 An: Wesley Eddy; Fred Baker; Gorry Fairhurst Cc: aqm@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation Wes, Thx. In case I don't get time to read, then type, I'll shoot my

Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-15 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 5/15/2014 5:09 AM, Bob Briscoe wrote: Wes, I assume you also want comments on the new version. Is there a deadline for comments? Absolutely, yes. There's no deadline at the moment, but it would be good to get any out sooner rather than later, especially if they're likely to need more

Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-15 Thread Bob Briscoe
Gorry, At 16:55 15/05/2014, go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: Great, I look forward to comments on the actual text. I agree the front part needs more structure and more topics called out. i started adding that in -04 and would be pleased to add a few more subsections if we get agreement. I'll wait

Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-15 Thread gorry
Gorry, And just on this... a) Congestion collapse: An AQM cannot prevent congestion collapse - that is the job of congestion control and, failing that, of policing. Even isolation (e.g. flow separation) doesn't prevent congestion collapse, because collapse is caused by the load from new

Re: [aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-15 Thread Dave Taht
I agree with the complement language. I don't mind if they are separable. Integration, however, is highly advantagous. I started another thread on the backlog issue. Because scheduling requires policy and AQM doesn't. Machine gunning down packets randomly until the flows start to behave

[aqm] last call results on draft-ietf-aqm-recommendation

2014-05-04 Thread Wesley Eddy
Hello AQMers, the WG last call on the 2309bis / AQM recommendation draft has turned up a couple of reviews that said the document isn't quite ready. I think some of the comments could be resolved relatively easily with an update, though others might take some discussion to converge on what really