Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-24 Thread David Rosenstrauch via arch-general
On 2/23/21 8:48 PM, David C. Rankin via arch-general wrote: I understood why it was done, I follow the kernel announcements, etc, but was a bit bewildered by Arch moving LTS to 5.10 before Linux moved to 5.11. Even today, we have: linux 5.10.16.arch1-1 and linux-lts 5.10.17-1 So the

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-24 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em fevereiro 23, 2021 22:48 David C. Rankin via arch-general escreveu: I understood why it was done, I follow the kernel announcements, etc, but was a bit bewildered by Arch moving LTS to 5.10 before Linux moved to 5.11. Even today, we have: linux 5.10.16.arch1-1 and linux-lts 5.10.17-1

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-23 Thread David C. Rankin via arch-general
On 2/17/21 9:50 AM, David Rosenstrauch via arch-general wrote: > On 2/17/21 3:48 AM, David C. Rankin via arch-general wrote: >> Archdevs, >> >>    You move of both linux and linux-lts to the same kernel is bewildering. >> That >> eliminates all fallback capability lts provides. Currently,

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-18 Thread Bennett Piater via arch-general
On 2021-02-17 19:50, Ralf Mardorf via arch-general wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 12:59:51 -0500, brent s. via arch-general wrote: Unless you have a very specific need, I'd instead recommend using something like KVM It's exactly the other way round. Virtualbox is a painless out of the box

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:48:54 -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: >Em fevereiro 17, 2021 15:50 Ralf Mardorf via arch-general escreveu: >> It's exactly the other way round. Virtualbox is a painless out of the >> box solution satisfying a lot of needs. Only if you have a very >> special need, consider

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em fevereiro 17, 2021 15:50 Ralf Mardorf via arch-general escreveu: It's exactly the other way round. Virtualbox is a painless out of the box solution satisfying a lot of needs. Only if you have a very special need, consider to migrate to something less comfortable such as KVM. What part of

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread brent s. via arch-general
On 2/17/21 13:50, Ralf Mardorf via arch-general wrote: > but you'll lose all the out of the box features > virtualbox provides, such as file sharing without any effort. At the risk of this devolving into off-topic territory, this is a highly subjective statement. e.g. See [0][1]. I switched from

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
Btw. There's still no solution for the Intel GPU issue with kernel versions > 5.4 ;). In my experiences migrating to the "modesetting" driver allows to get rid of some issues, at the expense of new issues. However, somebody mentions already building our own kernels. This is what I do anyway. It's

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 12:59:51 -0500, brent s. via arch-general wrote: >Unless you have a very specific need, I'd instead recommend using >something like KVM It's exactly the other way round. Virtualbox is a painless out of the box solution satisfying a lot of needs. Only if you have a very special

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Joan Figueras via arch-general
On 17/2/21 9:48, David C. Rankin via arch-general wrote: Archdevs, You move of both linux and linux-lts to the same kernel is bewildering. That eliminates all fallback capability lts provides. Currently, virtualbox Arch guests are broken on 5.10 (as with most other distros). See:

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread brent s. via arch-general
On 2/17/21 03:48, David C. Rankin via arch-general wrote: > Archdevs, > > You move of both linux and linux-lts to the same kernel is bewildering. That > eliminates all fallback capability lts provides. Currently, virtualbox Arch > guests are broken on 5.10 (as with most other distros). > >

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Iyán Méndez Veiga via arch-general
On Wednesday, 17 February 2021 16:58:18 CET sL1pKn07 SpinFlo via arch-general wrote: > Is strange see the version 5.10 LTS have the EOL in 2022 and the 5.4 > in 2025 (4.19 in 2024, 4.14 in 2023, etc) This is why: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/ybbkplrxzzmpy...@kroah.com/

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread sL1pKn07 SpinFlo via arch-general
El mié, 17 feb 2021 a las 16:51, David Rosenstrauch via arch-general () escribió: > > On 2/17/21 3:48 AM, David C. Rankin via arch-general wrote: > > Archdevs, > > > >You move of both linux and linux-lts to the same kernel is bewildering. > > That > > eliminates all fallback capability lts

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread David Rosenstrauch via arch-general
On 2/17/21 3:48 AM, David C. Rankin via arch-general wrote: Archdevs, You move of both linux and linux-lts to the same kernel is bewildering. That eliminates all fallback capability lts provides. Currently, virtualbox Arch guests are broken on 5.10 (as with most other distros). See:

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em fevereiro 17, 2021 11:37 Uwe Sauter escreveu: One could vote for keeping the linux-tls on 5.4 as long as linux is also an lts release and when linux has moved to the next non-lts then linux-tls would be set to the newes lts available. In this case: In this case Arch follows upstream, so

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Uwe Sauter via arch-general
Am 17.02.21 um 15:18 schrieb Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general: > Em fevereiro 17, 2021 11:07 Jens John via arch-general escreveu: >> >> I just would recommend to always add the kernel packages to pacman's >> IgnorePkg list, and upgrade >> them only in a strictly controlled way. You can't

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
Em fevereiro 17, 2021 11:07 Jens John via arch-general escreveu: I just would recommend to always add the kernel packages to pacman's IgnorePkg list, and upgrade them only in a strictly controlled way. You can't trust a volunteer project like Arch to take all issues into consideration.

Re: [arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread Jens John via arch-general
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, at 09:48, David C. Rankin via arch-general wrote: > Archdevs, > > You move of both linux and linux-lts to the same kernel is bewildering. That > eliminates all fallback capability lts provides. Currently, virtualbox Arch > guests are broken on 5.10 (as with most other

[arch-general] Why move LTS to 5.10 when VirtualBox guests Kernel Panic with 5.10?

2021-02-17 Thread David C. Rankin via arch-general
Archdevs, You move of both linux and linux-lts to the same kernel is bewildering. That eliminates all fallback capability lts provides. Currently, virtualbox Arch guests are broken on 5.10 (as with most other distros). See: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/20055 With linux on 5.10 and