Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-10 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Just as a follow up on this thread, I decided to go for the Digium 412P quad port card. Thanks to everyone who commented, positively and negatively - it helped provide a balanced view in the end. Julian. Matt Florell wrote: On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! I know this is probably going to ignite the flames again .. I have

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread randulo
On 10/5/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have looked at the recent threads regarding these two manufacturers, but there didn't seem to be much *technical* differences between the 2, it was rather more subjective - some people say Sangoma is better, some say Digium. And quite

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Matt Florell
On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! I

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Erik Anderson
On 10/6/07, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do not use Dell. I have had issues with both Sangoma and Digium cards on multiple brand-new Dell servers. This is the only vendor that has consistently given me problems with telco-interface cards. I'll have to refute this. Every single

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Thanks Matt, Matt Florell wrote: On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Matt Florell
On 10/6/07, Erik Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/6/07, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do not use Dell. I have had issues with both Sangoma and Digium cards on multiple brand-new Dell servers. This is the only vendor that has consistently given me problems with

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Matt Florell
On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Matt, Matt Florell wrote: On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would

[asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! I know this is probably going to ignite the flames again .. I have looked at the recent threads

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Brian West wrote: open market and an open platform. Rhino makes hardware that plugs into zaptel but yet I don't see their drivers in the zaptel repo... I don't see many of the third party hardware drivers in the zaptel repo. Those drivers would be there (as are the Xorcom XPP drivers) if

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
Kevin, Thats good to know. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, Brian PS: did you ever talk to mark about zaptel.h ? On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Those drivers would be there (as are the Xorcom XPP drivers) if they were properly submitted and met our coding

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other software that is capable of using their hardware. This argument of Digium vs Sangoma is very emotional for some. I see it as competition is good and drives

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Murphy
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 13:06 +0100, Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! I know this is probably going

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Steve Murphy wrote: Oh, Julian, I'd imagine what I'm about to say will fuel some flames! Here's a fairly powerful argument for all you asterisk users, as to why you should purchase a Digium product vs. a Sangoma: Because Digium uses a chunk of the purchase money to support Asterisk. And

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Matthew Fredrickson
Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other software that is capable of using their hardware. This argument of Digium vs Sangoma is very emotional for some. I see it as competition

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Totaro
This is really a silly debate. I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of quirky behavior with regards to echo, clicks, incompatible motherboards and IRQ issues. I read all the success and praises of Sangoma on this list and thought I would give them a try. Guess

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Russell Bryant
Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. Which contributions are you talking about, exactly? I know that they paid someone to write app_dictate a couple of years ago, but that is the only thing I can think of that has come through since I have been

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
I think Lee Howard nailed it. /b ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Lee Howard
Matthew Fredrickson wrote: Not to ignite any fires, but I don't think I've *ever* knowingly received a patch to libpri or chan_zap from them. And I've fixed a few protocol related bugs in libpri for people with Sangoma cards. It'd be nice if they at the very least supported the protocol

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Totaro
Thomas Kenyon wrote: Steve Murphy wrote: Oh, Julian, I'd imagine what I'm about to say will fuel some flames! Here's a fairly powerful argument for all you asterisk users, as to why you should purchase a Digium product vs. a Sangoma: Because Digium uses a chunk of the purchase money to

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Russell Bryant
Lee Howard wrote: Any Digium competitor is immediately on unequal footing with respect to Asterisk due to the dual-license and requisite disclaiming of contributions. You're asking those competitors to contribute not only to the open-source Asterisk, but also to contribute to Digium's ABE

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Murphy
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 08:05 -0500, Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other software that is capable of using their hardware. This argument of Digium vs Sangoma is very emotional for

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Jason Parker
Lee Howard wrote: The report appears to have been reaped from Mantis, but I was involved with a contribution from OpenVOX for zaptel, and from my perspective it looked like the Digium staff involved killed it and never gave any indication that the contribution would be accepted. I assume

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Jared Smith
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:32 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of quirky behavior with regards to echo, clicks, incompatible motherboards and IRQ issues. (Let me take off my Digium hat for a minute and speak as a community member,

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread shadowym
, 2007 8:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Stephen Bosch
Hi, all: I think everybody is entitled to their biases, and I have to say that -- far from seeing this as a flame-war or otherwise tedious -- I think it's great that we're having this discussion and getting open and honest input from Digium staffers. We want to hear your thoughts and feelings

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread shadowym
List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. Which contributions are you talking about, exactly? I know that they paid someone to write app_dictate a couple

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Lacy Moore
List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. Which contributions are you talking about, exactly? I know that they paid someone to write app_dictate

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Totaro
Jared Smith wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:32 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of quirky behavior with regards to echo, clicks, incompatible motherboards and IRQ issues. (Let me take off my Digium hat for a minute and speak as

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 05 October 2007 12:52:41 shadowym wrote: I disagree with any argument for or against Digium in support of Asterisk as much as I do for or against Sangoma or Rhino or one of the Chinese knock offs in support of Asterisk. Digium uses the open source community to create better

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 01:26:58PM -0500, Lacy Moore wrote: I was completely against the dual licensing in the beginning. But now, I'm leaning more towards understanding it and the importance of it, especially as it related to US Patent laws. We're going to find that everything is patented

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
The distinction doesn't matter because in the end they can do what ever they want with the code you disclaim to them. The whole thing is very political and pointless to hash over and over again. /b On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote: When you contribute code to Asterisk,

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:52:24PM -0500, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 05 October 2007 12:52:41 shadowym wrote: I disagree with any argument for or against Digium in support of Asterisk as much as I do for or against Sangoma or Rhino or one of the Chinese knock offs in support of

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread shadowym
, 2007 11:35 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Jared Smith wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:32 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of quirky

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 05 October 2007 15:08:56 Brian West wrote: On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote: When you contribute code to Asterisk, you retain ownership of your code. You are NOT disclaiming the contribution; you are LICENSING the contribution. This is an important legal

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 05 October 2007 15:20:19 Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:52:24PM -0500, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 05 October 2007 12:52:41 shadowym wrote: I disagree with any argument for or against Digium in support of Asterisk as much as I do for or against Sangoma or

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Matthew Fredrickson
Brian West wrote: I think the horse has been long dead! /b Yeah, and while we're on such things, I think that vi beats the pants off of emacs :-) -- Matthew Fredrickson Software/Firmware Engineer Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
I think the horse has been long dead! /b ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Matthew Fredrickson wrote: Yeah, and while we're on such things, I think that vi beats the pants off of emacs :-) vim to be precise. but on the other hand emacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMac) can run asterisk - vim can't. :-P Cheers, Philipp Kempgen -- amooma GmbH - Bachstr. 126 -

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Steve Totaro wrote: Thomas Kenyon wrote: Steve Murphy wrote: Oh, Julian, I'd imagine what I'm about to say will fuel some flames! Here's a fairly powerful argument for all you asterisk users, as to why you should purchase a Digium product vs. a Sangoma: Because Digium uses a chunk of the