Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-10 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Just as a follow up on this thread, I decided to go for the Digium 412P quad port card. Thanks to everyone who commented, positively and negatively - it helped provide a balanced view in the end. Julian. Matt Florell wrote: On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! I know this is probably going to ignite the flames again .. I have

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread randulo
On 10/5/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have looked at the recent threads regarding these two manufacturers, but there didn't seem to be much *technical* differences between the 2, it was rather more subjective - some people say Sangoma is better, some say Digium. And quite

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Matt Florell
On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! I

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Erik Anderson
On 10/6/07, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do not use Dell. I have had issues with both Sangoma and Digium cards on multiple brand-new Dell servers. This is the only vendor that has consistently given me problems with telco-interface cards. I'll have to refute this. Every single

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Thanks Matt, Matt Florell wrote: On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Matt Florell
On 10/6/07, Erik Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/6/07, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do not use Dell. I have had issues with both Sangoma and Digium cards on multiple brand-new Dell servers. This is the only vendor that has consistently given me problems with

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Matt Florell
On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Matt, Matt Florell wrote: On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium:

2007-10-06 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Matt Florell wrote: On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to install the new card in a dell 2850 or 2950 or possibly even a HP DL360. Anyone have some comments on this ? Do not use Dell. I have had issues with both Sangoma and Digium cards on multiple brand-new

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Brian West wrote: open market and an open platform. Rhino makes hardware that plugs into zaptel but yet I don't see their drivers in the zaptel repo... I don't see many of the third party hardware drivers in the zaptel repo. Those drivers would be there (as are the Xorcom XPP drivers) if

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
Kevin, Thats good to know. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, Brian PS: did you ever talk to mark about zaptel.h ? On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Those drivers would be there (as are the Xorcom XPP drivers) if they were properly submitted and met our coding

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other software that is capable of using their hardware. This argument of Digium vs Sangoma is very emotional for some. I see it as competition is good and drives

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Murphy
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 13:06 +0100, Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! I know this is probably going

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Steve Murphy wrote: Oh, Julian, I'd imagine what I'm about to say will fuel some flames! Here's a fairly powerful argument for all you asterisk users, as to why you should purchase a Digium product vs. a Sangoma: Because Digium uses a chunk of the purchase money to support Asterisk. And

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Matthew Fredrickson
Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other software that is capable of using their hardware. This argument of Digium vs Sangoma is very emotional for some. I see it as competition

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Totaro
This is really a silly debate. I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of quirky behavior with regards to echo, clicks, incompatible motherboards and IRQ issues. I read all the success and praises of Sangoma on this list and thought I would give them a try. Guess

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Russell Bryant
Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. Which contributions are you talking about, exactly? I know that they paid someone to write app_dictate a couple of years ago, but that is the only thing I can think of that has come through since I have been

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
I think Lee Howard nailed it. /b ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Lee Howard
Matthew Fredrickson wrote: Not to ignite any fires, but I don't think I've *ever* knowingly received a patch to libpri or chan_zap from them. And I've fixed a few protocol related bugs in libpri for people with Sangoma cards. It'd be nice if they at the very least supported the protocol

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Totaro
Thomas Kenyon wrote: Steve Murphy wrote: Oh, Julian, I'd imagine what I'm about to say will fuel some flames! Here's a fairly powerful argument for all you asterisk users, as to why you should purchase a Digium product vs. a Sangoma: Because Digium uses a chunk of the purchase money to

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Russell Bryant
Lee Howard wrote: Any Digium competitor is immediately on unequal footing with respect to Asterisk due to the dual-license and requisite disclaiming of contributions. You're asking those competitors to contribute not only to the open-source Asterisk, but also to contribute to Digium's ABE

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Murphy
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 08:05 -0500, Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other software that is capable of using their hardware. This argument of Digium vs Sangoma is very emotional for

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Jason Parker
Lee Howard wrote: The report appears to have been reaped from Mantis, but I was involved with a contribution from OpenVOX for zaptel, and from my perspective it looked like the Digium staff involved killed it and never gave any indication that the contribution would be accepted. I assume

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Jared Smith
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:32 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of quirky behavior with regards to echo, clicks, incompatible motherboards and IRQ issues. (Let me take off my Digium hat for a minute and speak as a community member,

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread shadowym
, 2007 8:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Stephen Bosch
Hi, all: I think everybody is entitled to their biases, and I have to say that -- far from seeing this as a flame-war or otherwise tedious -- I think it's great that we're having this discussion and getting open and honest input from Digium staffers. We want to hear your thoughts and feelings

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread shadowym
List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. Which contributions are you talking about, exactly? I know that they paid someone to write app_dictate a couple

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Lacy Moore
List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Brian West wrote: Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. Which contributions are you talking about, exactly? I know that they paid someone to write app_dictate

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Totaro
Jared Smith wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:32 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of quirky behavior with regards to echo, clicks, incompatible motherboards and IRQ issues. (Let me take off my Digium hat for a minute and speak as

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 05 October 2007 12:52:41 shadowym wrote: I disagree with any argument for or against Digium in support of Asterisk as much as I do for or against Sangoma or Rhino or one of the Chinese knock offs in support of Asterisk. Digium uses the open source community to create better

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 01:26:58PM -0500, Lacy Moore wrote: I was completely against the dual licensing in the beginning. But now, I'm leaning more towards understanding it and the importance of it, especially as it related to US Patent laws. We're going to find that everything is patented

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
The distinction doesn't matter because in the end they can do what ever they want with the code you disclaim to them. The whole thing is very political and pointless to hash over and over again. /b On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote: When you contribute code to Asterisk,

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:52:24PM -0500, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 05 October 2007 12:52:41 shadowym wrote: I disagree with any argument for or against Digium in support of Asterisk as much as I do for or against Sangoma or Rhino or one of the Chinese knock offs in support of

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread shadowym
, 2007 11:35 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Jared Smith wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:32 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of quirky

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 05 October 2007 15:08:56 Brian West wrote: On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote: When you contribute code to Asterisk, you retain ownership of your code. You are NOT disclaiming the contribution; you are LICENSING the contribution. This is an important legal

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 05 October 2007 15:20:19 Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:52:24PM -0500, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 05 October 2007 12:52:41 shadowym wrote: I disagree with any argument for or against Digium in support of Asterisk as much as I do for or against Sangoma or

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Matthew Fredrickson
Brian West wrote: I think the horse has been long dead! /b Yeah, and while we're on such things, I think that vi beats the pants off of emacs :-) -- Matthew Fredrickson Software/Firmware Engineer Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
I think the horse has been long dead! /b ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Matthew Fredrickson wrote: Yeah, and while we're on such things, I think that vi beats the pants off of emacs :-) vim to be precise. but on the other hand emacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMac) can run asterisk - vim can't. :-P Cheers, Philipp Kempgen -- amooma GmbH - Bachstr. 126 -

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Steve Totaro wrote: Thomas Kenyon wrote: Steve Murphy wrote: Oh, Julian, I'd imagine what I'm about to say will fuel some flames! Here's a fairly powerful argument for all you asterisk users, as to why you should purchase a Digium product vs. a Sangoma: Because Digium uses a chunk of the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-09 Thread Craig Guy
- From: Max W Blackmer Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium spending over $A10,000 in the process. The cards are more expensive

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-08 Thread Steve Underwood
Dinesh Nair wrote: On 04/01/05 00:00 Matthew Boehm said the following: Steve Underwood wrote: And your EU bias is clearly demonstrated by this. I've never seen a BRI product outside he EU. :-) Come to Houston, TX. We were running a BRI for quite some time before upgrading to a T1. ahem, ISDN

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-08 Thread Steve Underwood
Depends what you mean by in use. You will find BRI listed as a service option in most countries. including China and the US. Installed lines is different matter. They are so rare in most places that if you order one it will be the technician's first install, and they will have enough problems

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-08 Thread Max W Blackmer Jr
spending over $A10,000 in the process. The cards are more expensive than the server they're going into (Dell poweredge 750's). When a GPL'd hardware It is obvious that you have never experienced high end servers. We have had a single server cost as much as $20,000 and that is nothing but high

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Technically speaking not. But Sangoma's support seems to be pretty much better. My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. They're glad to use Asterisk as a selling point for their hardware, but unwilling to donate anything back to the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
What about pricing of the Sangoma compared to Digium, is it comparable? about the same. last i checked the digium te410 was $1599 and the 4-port e1/t1 card from sangom was $1699. Can Sangoma card handle modem data incoming calls at all? iirc, modem data is just voice/noise :P. roy

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
cpu load on te4xxp cards is very low, and now that they have echo cancellers as add-ons cards, it will be even lower. I can't speak on hardware compatibility as i never tried a sangoma card. (But i can say that in the last year i've never had an issue with digium cards and we have 8 in use.) The

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Nir Simionovich
-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium Technically speaking not. But Sangoma's support seems to be pretty much better. My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. They're glad to use Asterisk as a selling

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Matteo Brancaleoni
Hi, Digium, the service is problematic. Well, I believe that Digium should services it's channels, the channels should support the resellers and the resellers should support The customers. I don't think that any company, no matter what its size or function is, could support the end users.

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread ht
Matteo, I don't know much about DIgium, but I am comparing the distribution policy with what exists elsewhere in the market and other sectors. Digium do sell online and so many other of their resellers do. The important point is that they don't sell lower cost than their resellers, which is the

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Matteo Brancaleoni
Hi, Il giorno gio, 07-04-2005 alle 13:02 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Digium do sell online and so many other of their resellers do. The important point is that they don't sell lower cost than their resellers, which is the case. Please find an hardware producer that sells directly to

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread ht
Yes, Most hardware manufacturers I know sell directly at retail price. In voip Business and from my experience, you can order Quintum gateways from Quintum Technologies right away at retail price. You can always get them cheaper from reseller. GSM devices manufacturers sell direct as well

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Peter Svensson
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: I hate to say that, but the problem is that Digium doesn't do this. They allow resellers to do market dumping, by not imposing fixed list prices to resellers, they also compete with they're own distributors/resellers by offering the cards online

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Adam Goryachev
On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 13:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Most hardware manufacturers I know sell directly at retail price. Most I know/dealt with don't (but hey, I don't really deal with 'hardware manufacturers'... I'm probably more of a retail customer In voip Business and from

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread dean collins
Lol - Cisco for one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matteo Brancaleoni Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Dana Olson
On Apr 7, 2005 6:20 AM, Matteo Brancaleoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sangoma doesn't do that. they don't sell directly, thus allowing resellers to have a money gain and pay the time to support the end user. Actually, they do sell directly. I emailed them a short time ago, and they gave me

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Scott Stingel
Peter Svensson wrote: Resellers are almost universally a useless money-sink. Most add no value at all, they are simply another logistics point. Distributors, on the other hand, are usually very knowlegable and are able to support their customers (the resellers) quite well. My advice: always

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Richard Lyman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, I don't know much about DIgium, but I am comparing the distribution policy with what exists elsewhere in the market and other sectors. Digium do sell online and so many other of their resellers do. The important point is that they don't sell lower cost than their

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Thorsten lockert
On Apr 7, 2005, at 4:11, Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: Please find an hardware producer that sells directly to endusers, when they have also distributors/resellers. Apple. The way is: if you have resellers, sell through them. if not directly to end user. Ever been to an Apple store? Thorsten

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Craig Guy
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: I hate to say that, but the problem is that Digium doesn't do this. They allow resellers to do market dumping, by not imposing fixed list prices

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On April 7, 2005 01:53 pm, Craig Guy wrote: the server they're going into (Dell poweredge 750's). When a GPL'd hardware design costs more than an entire proprietary server (including chassis, motherboard, dual hard disks and remote access card) then there is something very wrong in the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Rich Adamson
On April 7, 2005 01:53 pm, Craig Guy wrote: the server they're going into (Dell poweredge 750's). When a GPL'd hardware design costs more than an entire proprietary server (including chassis, motherboard, dual hard disks and remote access card) then there is something very wrong in the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Timothy Costello
- Original Message - From: Peter Svensson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: I hate to say

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Matt Riddell
Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: I hate to say that, but the problem is that Digium doesn't do this. Ahh I beg to differ. I resell both Digium and Sangoma gear and provide full installation support for both. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Brancaleoni Matteo
Hi Il giorno ven, 08-04-2005 alle 10:24 +1200, Matt Riddell ha scritto: Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: I hate to say that, but the problem is that Digium doesn't do this. Ahh I beg to differ. I resell both Digium and Sangoma gear and provide full installation support for both. after a lot

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-04 Thread Dinesh Nair
On 04/01/05 00:00 Matthew Boehm said the following: Steve Underwood wrote: And your EU bias is clearly demonstrated by this. I've never seen a BRI product outside he EU. :-) Come to Houston, TX. We were running a BRI for quite some time before upgrading to a T1. ahem, ISDN BRIs are fairly

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-04 Thread Michael Bielicki
BRI's are in use in roughly 2/3 of the world with the US and I think China being the main exceptions. On Apr 4, 2005 9:37 AM, Dinesh Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04/01/05 00:00 Matthew Boehm said the following: Steve Underwood wrote: And your EU bias is clearly demonstrated by

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-04 Thread Dana Olson
On Mar 31, 2005 1:44 PM, Dana Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:37:19 -0600, Rich Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. If anything puts the dagger to Digium it'll be

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-02 Thread Chris Modesitt
Eric Wrote: Digium has a hardware echo can? Not shipping, according to their online store. Crap!, I spend all my time reading emails from this list, now I have to check Digium's online store twice a day so I can get my hands on one of those cards!! Chris.

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-02 Thread Cory Andrews
I have been told the Digium echo cancellation product will be shipping soon, as well as a new version of the IAXy, which looks to have a new form factor, I'm guessing to help with heat dissipation on the units. Cory Andrews Senior Partner +++ VOIPSupply.com A Subsidiary of b2

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-01 Thread David Brodbeck
-Original Message- From: Scott Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps you have an earlier hardware revision than I do; I also have never rebooted the system. I have two TDM04Bs. If so, they must have sold me old stock. I bought the cards less than two months ago.

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-01 Thread Richard Scobie
David Brodbeck wrote: -Original Message- From: Scott Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps you have an earlier hardware revision than I do; I also have never rebooted the system. I have two TDM04Bs. If so, they must have sold me old stock. I bought the cards less than two months

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Isamar Maia
Isamar Maia wrote: Technically speaking not. But Sangoma's support seems to be pretty much better. My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. They're glad to use Asterisk as a selling point for their hardware, but unwilling to donate

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Brian Capouch
Isamar Maia wrote: I don't understand this *love* for Digium. Digium is a commercial institution, period. Yes, but. They are a commercial institution which took an enormous risk by giving away for free what is undeniably their most valuable product. It was a gamble, as it were, of the family

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Isamar Maia
Isamar Maia wrote: I don't understand this *love* for Digium. Digium is a commercial institution, period. Yes, but. They are a commercial institution which took an enormous risk by giving away for free what is undeniably their most valuable product. So, if Linus Torvalds had a

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Eric Bishop
True. I think Digium's USA bias is clearly demonstrated by their lack of a BRI ISDN product. Most of the rest of the world use it in abudnace yet Digium do not see fit to service this market because it is not big in the US. very poor... On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:32:40 +0900 (JST), Isamar Maia

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread mattf
2:43 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium Isamar Maia wrote: Technically speaking not. But Sangoma's support seems to be pretty much better. My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread ht
can feel a little less-bad about buying those Sangoma cards now. MATT--- -Original Message- From: Brian Capouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:43 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread steve szmidt
On Thursday 31 March 2005 02:43, Brian Capouch wrote: Isamar Maia wrote: Technically speaking not. But Sangoma's support seems to be pretty much better. My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. They're glad to use Asterisk as a selling

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On March 30, 2005 10:26 pm, Kristian Kielhofner wrote: It is obvious that Asterisk/TDM support from Sangoma is (and has been) secondary. Their cards support data like no other. Excellent. Voice, on the other hand, appears to be immature. I respectfully disagree. Sangoma's voice

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Remco Barende
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Eric Bishop wrote: True. I think Digium's USA bias is clearly demonstrated by their lack of a BRI ISDN product. Most of the rest of the world use it in abudnace yet Digium do not see fit to service this market because it is not big in the US. very poor... Why on earth

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Zoa
cpu load on te4xxp cards is very low, and now that they have echo cancellers as add-ons cards, it will be even lower. I can't speak on hardware compatibility as i never tried a sangoma card. (But i can say that in the last year i've never had an issue with digium cards and we have 8 in use.) The

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread David Brodbeck
-Original Message- From: Brian Capouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. If anything puts the dagger to Digium it'll be their own inability to engineer reliable hardware. I appreciate what Digium

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Rich Adamson
My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. If anything puts the dagger to Digium it'll be their own inability to engineer reliable hardware. I appreciate what Digium has done for Asterisk, but reliability expectations for phone

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Steve Underwood
Eric Bishop wrote: True. I think Digium's USA bias is clearly demonstrated by their lack of a BRI ISDN product. Most of the rest of the world use it in abudnace yet Digium do not see fit to service this market because it is not big in the US. very poor... And your EU bias is clearly

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Matthew Boehm
Brian Capouch wrote: I'll be glad to stand corrected, but if that assertion is in fact true, we should be careful to do things that actually damage Digium's ability to leverage their development of Asterisk with their hardware sales. It sucks that its such a fine line. On the one had, it is

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread mattf
PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:30 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium Brian Capouch wrote: I'll be glad to stand corrected, but if that assertion is in fact true, we should be careful to do things

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread steve
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Steve Underwood wrote: Eric Bishop wrote: True. I think Digium's USA bias is clearly demonstrated by their lack of a BRI ISDN product. Most of the rest of the world use it in abudnace yet Digium do not see fit to service this market because it is not big in the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On March 31, 2005 10:17 am, Rich Adamson wrote: I'll second that one for sure. Maybe someone can talk Sangoma into developing a competing TDM04b card? ;) Actually I've found the TDM4XXP very good lately -- FXS and FXO. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Zoa
I didnt have to do a single restart in about 2 million calls on te4xpp so far. David Brodbeck wrote: -Original Message- From: Brian Capouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. If anything puts the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Matthew Boehm
Steve Underwood wrote: And your EU bias is clearly demonstrated by this. I've never seen a BRI product outside he EU. :-) Come to Houston, TX. We were running a BRI for quite some time before upgrading to a T1. -Matthew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Scott Stingel
I think the telecom market is so huge that it can easily support several hardware suppliers - and all of them can be successful if they make a good product. It can be good for Digium (and ultimately for us) that Sangoma is providing some competition, as it will drive Digium to new levels of

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Jerry
On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Zoa wrote: cpu load on te4xxp cards is very low, and now that they have echo cancellers as add-ons cards, it will be even lower. I can't speak on hardware compatibility as i never tried a sangoma card. (But i can say that in the last year i've never had an issue with

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread dean collins
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Steve Underwood wrote: Eric Bishop wrote: True. I think Digium's USA bias is clearly demonstrated by their lack of a BRI ISDN product. Most of the rest of the world use it in abudnace yet Digium do not see fit

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Dana Olson
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:00:12 -0500, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Brian Capouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. If anything puts the dagger to Digium

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread David Brodbeck
-Original Message- From: Zoa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I didnt have to do a single restart in about 2 million calls on te4xpp so far. I'm happy for you. But my TDM04B will stop responding after about two weeks, even if there are zero calls during that time. I found that out when I

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Jeremy Jones
On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 02:43 -0500, Brian Capouch wrote: My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. Come on! If Digium started manufacturing tires, would i need to put 'em on my car to keep on the favorable side of karma? Digium makes

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 10:00 -0500, David Brodbeck wrote: -Original Message- From: Brian Capouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. If anything puts the dagger to Digium it'll be their own

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Steve Underwood
Remco Barende wrote: It would be nice if Digium would accept the bristuff patch at some stage and include it in asterisk. GPL code cannot go into the Asterisk distribution. Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Rich Adamson
My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. If anything puts the dagger to Digium it'll be their own inability to engineer reliable hardware. I appreciate what Digium has done for Asterisk, but reliability expectations for phone

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