[Ayatana] Export/Import idea for Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Luke Benstead
Morning all, I've just been thinking about Windicators and how they could be useful. I vaguely remember someone posting an idea (before the Windicator announcement) of being able to send files and data between applications. I think Windicators could allow us to do this in a very consistent way...

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Akshat Jain
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 09/05/10 07:45, akshat jain wrote: But what will happen to Windicators when I minimize windows You minimise them too. They are specifically status associated with that window - so you won't miss them. But

Re: [Ayatana] File transfer dialog behaviour

2010-05-16 Thread Akshat Jain
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Frederik Nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.comwrote: Hi akshat ;) OBJECT TITLE IN PROGRESS BAR while copying, display the title of the object being copied in the progress bar. putting this information anywhere else in the dialog window doesn't make too much

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
I've taken the liberties of taking this to a much larger group of contributers on OMG! Ubuntu! to get some feedback from a nice and large audience of end-users. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ayatana-and-single-click-navigation.html

Re: [Ayatana] Criticism of Client Side Window Decorations

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 05:11, Sam Spilsbury smspil...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to make the fading smooth, then you will most likely need some form of graphical accelleration, whether that be EXA, Glitz or G3D. There is no way to guaruntee that everyone has this. a few frames would

Re: [Ayatana] Tabs

2010-05-16 Thread Jim Rorie
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 12:17 +1000, Luke Morton wrote: some internet kiosk keyboards have no ALT or CTRL even.. most keyboards profide super key, even apple. let's work with that it for now.. Most keyboards, except for the IBM model M. Whose owners tend to be very technical and very

Re: [Ayatana] Tabs

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
The plan for the moment is as follows: - Super-[0..9] will switch to the applications in slots 0 to 9 of the Unity Launcher - Super-Tab will be like Alt-Tab, but in the order in the Unity Launcher - Alt-TAB will switch between windows in order of most-recently-used - Ctrl-TAB will switch

Re: [Ayatana] Rethink the noninteractive Live CD default boot?

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 16/05/10 01:00, Lance wrote: As I found out iso-testing prior to Lucid Beta 1 the Live CD now requires user interaction to display menu options: Michael Forrest, cc'd, is the right person to chat with about the install CD experience. Michael, could you reply on-list for everyone's

Re: [Ayatana] Export/Import idea for Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 16/05/10 08:07, Luke Benstead wrote: My idea is this, each application has two indicators called Export to... and Import from I'm not sure what the icons would look like to convey those concepts, but that's the general idea. Basically, these menus would adapt based on: For

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 16/05/10 08:17, Akshat Jain wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com mailto:m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 09/05/10 07:45, akshat jain wrote: But what will happen to Windicators when I minimize windows You minimise them too. They are specifically

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Sense Hofstede
On 16 May 2010 14:31, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 16/05/10 08:17, Akshat Jain wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 09/05/10 07:45, akshat jain wrote: But what will happen to Windicators when I minimize windows You minimise

Re: [Ayatana] Export/Import idea for Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Luke Benstead
Make sense? Mark Yep, perfectly. I should've really given it more thought before lumping the idea in with Windicators - it definitely would belong in the File menu. It's just the kind of thing that would require a consistent API so that applications would adopt it and Windicators would have

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
yeah, they even have a like button, loving the site, i didn't go there that often: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:33, Tyler Brainerd tylerbrain...@gmail.comwrote: I've taken the liberties of taking this to a much larger group of contributers on OMG! Ubuntu! to get some feedback from a nice and

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Akshat Jain
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Sense Hofstede qe...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 16 May 2010 14:31, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 16/05/10 08:17, Akshat Jain wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 09/05/10 07:45, akshat jain wrote:

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Sense Hofstede
On 16 May 2010 16:21, Akshat Jain ssj6akshat1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Sense Hofstede qe...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 16 May 2010 14:31, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 16/05/10 08:17, Akshat Jain wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Mark

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Sense Hofstede
On 16 May 2010 16:37, Akshat Jain ssj6akshat1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Sense Hofstede qe...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 16 May 2010 16:21, Akshat Jain ssj6akshat1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Sense Hofstede qe...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 16

Re: [Ayatana] Tabs

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 14:09, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: The plan for the moment is as follows: - Super-[0..9] will switch to the applications in slots 0 to 9 of the Unity Launcher - Super-Tab will be like Alt-Tab, but in the order in the Unity Launcher - Alt-TAB will

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 08:54, Gavin Langdon puttabu...@gmail.com wrote: If this were the case standard widgets could take priority if they're close to the edge (although a good gui designer shouldn't have anything too close to the edge anyway) that part in brackets is what i'm interested in

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Jeremy Bicha
In response to this thread, I turned on single click mode and found it to be quite usable once it was explained how to do things. Even though it goes against what Mac, Windows, and most Linux distributions are doing, I think this single click file management thing could be a smart decision. It's

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Akshat Jain
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net wrote: In response to this thread, I turned on single click mode and found it to be quite usable once it was explained how to do things. Even though it goes against what Mac, Windows, and most Linux distributions are doing, I think

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 00:11, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 04/05/10 09:03, Sam Spilsbury wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Benjamin Humphrey humphre...@gmail.com wrote: That's going to mess with user's expectations when they click on a black space and start resizing a

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Alex Lourie
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net wrote: In response to this thread, I turned on single click mode and found it to be quite usable once it was explained how to do things. Even though it goes against what Mac, Windows, and most Linux distributions are doing, I think

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 17:52, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: OK. So I guess it's pointless to tell again my opinion on the subject. Your concern is also mine, still, this thread is a creative approach at a new vision - let's not rattle against it too much (see Walt Disney Method) [1].

[Ayatana] No application bucket needed

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
My comments below are written from the perspective of Unity, because (a) that's what I'm running, and (b) that's where our design conversations can have the most immediate impact. On 16/05/10 15:30, Sense Hofstede wrote: An application bucket where you can dump applications you don't want to

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 16/05/10 16:51, Frederik Nnaji wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 00:11, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com mailto:m...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 04/05/10 09:03, Sam Spilsbury wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Benjamin Humphrey humphre...@gmail.com mailto:humphre...@gmail.com

Re: [Ayatana] How to handle long labels in indicators?

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 16/05/10 16:54, Shane Fagan wrote: Anyone have any ideas how to do the long labels without them looking so strange? Classically, the content scrolls-and-pauses, on a repeating cycle. Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Ayatana] Export/Import idea for Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 14:46, Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com wrote: I should've really given it more thought before lumping the idea in with Windicators - it definitely would belong in the File menu. It's just the kind of thing that would require a consistent API so that applications would

Re: [Ayatana] Export/Import idea for Windicators

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 14:26, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: For designing indicators, ask yourself: - what is the *status* I am conveying, and - what options are there to manipulate that status? If you don't have both, especially the status, don't use an indicator. Use a

Re: [Ayatana] No application bucket needed

2010-05-16 Thread Sense Hofstede
On 16 May 2010 18:49, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: My comments below are written from the perspective of Unity, because (a) that's what I'm running, and (b) that's where our design conversations can have the most immediate impact. On 16/05/10 15:30, Sense Hofstede wrote: An

Re: [Ayatana] How to handle long labels in indicators?

2010-05-16 Thread Shane Fagan
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 17:51 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: On 16/05/10 16:54, Shane Fagan wrote: Anyone have any ideas how to do the long labels without them looking so strange? Classically, the content scrolls-and-pauses, on a repeating cycle. Mark Hey Mark, Can we do that

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Curtis
Switching the behavior in Nautilus to single click causes inconsistency with the Open File dialog of any application. The Open File dialog of Firefox, OO.org, etc still uses the traditional double click.

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Only incidentally. The primary way of opening a file in the open dialog, and the way I see mothers, fathers, and the basically uninformed using it, is by selecting then pushing the open button, not double clicking. I've actually had people freak out by how quick I get through that navigation,

Re: [Ayatana] Tabs

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Ok. Thanks for the response. I'm assuming this means that instructions will be issued for patching all currently tabbed apps to use ctrl-tab? On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: The plan for the moment is as follows: - Super-[0..9] will switch to the

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Remco
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 22:15, Tyler Brainerd tylerbrain...@gmail.com wrote: Only incidentally. The primary way of opening a file in the open dialog, and the way I see mothers, fathers, and the basically uninformed using it, is by selecting then pushing the open button, not double clicking.

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Luke Morton
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 22:37 +0200, Remco wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 22:15, Tyler Brainerd tylerbrain...@gmail.com wrote: Only incidentally. The primary way of opening a file in the open dialog, and the way I see mothers, fathers, and the basically uninformed using it, is by selecting

Re: [Ayatana] How to handle long labels in indicators?

2010-05-16 Thread Luke Morton
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 20:06 +0100, Shane Fagan wrote: On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 17:51 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: On 16/05/10 16:54, Shane Fagan wrote: Anyone have any ideas how to do the long labels without them looking so strange? Classically, the content scrolls-and-pauses,

Re: [Ayatana] How to handle long labels in indicators?

2010-05-16 Thread Rob Greer
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 20:50, Anzan Hoshin Roshi anzanhoshinro...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have any ideas how to do the long labels without them looking so strange? Classically, the content scrolls-and-pauses, on a repeating cycle. Mark Hey Mark, Can we do that

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Rob Greer
Tell me what in particular we need screenshots of and I'll grab em. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 20:37, Jan-Christoph Borchardt inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks to everyone contributing to the discussion. But please, before you answer or link to this, read/link the wiki page Thorsten Wilms

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
how precisely do we get screenshots of single clicks over double clicks? :P On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Rob Greer samin...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me what in particular we need screenshots of and I'll grab em. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 20:37, Jan-Christoph Borchardt

[Ayatana] Evolution

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
I wrote in length at OMG! Ubuntuhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/making-1010-perfect-1010-evolution.htmlabout the current weakness of Evolution, but I figured I ought to bring it up here as well, specifically in a few areas concerning primarily Ayatana. There have been numerous

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 17 May 2010 04:42, Rob Greer samin...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me what in particular we need screenshots of and I'll grab em. How the system is indicating possible file operations like selecting, dragging etc. in single click mode (probably on hover). I already added 5 screenshots of KDE’s

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
I just added info about windows 7. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: On 17 May 2010 04:42, Rob Greer samin...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me what in particular we need screenshots of and I'll grab em. How the system is indicating possible

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Rob Greer
Would Windows XP info be useful or only current versions of OSes? On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 01:36, Tyler Brainerd tylerbrain...@gmail.comwrote: I just added info about windows 7. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: On 17 May 2010 04:42,

[Ayatana-commits] [Branch ~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-applet/applet] Rev 359: Updating Copyright Dates

2010-05-16 Thread noreply
Merge authors: Tom Haddon (mthaddon) Related merge proposals: https://code.launchpad.net/~mthaddon/indicator-applet/update-copyright-notice/+merge/25218 proposed by: Tom Haddon (mthaddon) revno: 359 [merge] committer: Ted Gould

[Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~mthaddon/indicator-applet/update-copyright-notice into lp:indicator-applet

2010-05-16 Thread noreply
The proposal to merge lp:~mthaddon/indicator-applet/update-copyright-notice into lp:indicator-applet has been updated. Status: Needs review = Merged -- https://code.launchpad.net/~mthaddon/indicator-applet/update-copyright-notice/+merge/25218 Your team ayatana-commits is subscribed to