[Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-04 Thread giff g
Here are some reasons why I think the application menu in unity as it is nowis a failed attempt at improving the user experience in Ubuntu. 1) Primary target of Ubuntu Unity are _net_books, accordingly the most importantapplication is going to be the browser as repeatedly pointed out

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-04 Thread Conscious User
Mitja Pagon a écrit: You are making all sorts of false assumptions about how people use computers. If you ever observed regular users you would know, that most don't use keyboard shortcuts, some don't even know they exist. Furthermore, I've personally once came across someone who didn't

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-04 Thread Mitja Pagon
- Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: While I disagree with Mitja's tone (as usual), That's a bit harsh, my tone is fine most of the time ;) I'll admit that people talking nonsense sometimes gets the best of me, but in most cases I try to be polite, if somewhat blunt. Cheers,

[Ayatana] Integrate Alt-tab with Unity Launcher

2011-04-04 Thread David Gorski
I recently installed Natty on my machine and I was really impressed by how far Unity has come. Everything is smooth and I have almost no crashes. The interface is also very clean. The only item that stands out is the old compiz alt-tab switcher; It looks very odd with the low-res icons and

Re: [Ayatana] Integrate Alt-tab with Unity Launcher

2011-04-04 Thread Ian Santopietro
I like the idea, but it's hard to say for sure without a mockup. ;-) On Apr 4, 2011 12:58 PM, David Gorski theseawo...@gmail.com wrote: I recently installed Natty on my machine and I was really impressed by how far Unity has come. Everything is smooth and I have almost no crashes. The interface

Re: [Ayatana] Integrate Alt-tab with Unity Launcher

2011-04-04 Thread M. Adnan Quaium
Actually ... I always set the Alt+Tab combination from Compiz (Ring Switcher) for the ease of use. But yes, I would love to see the feature in Unity by default. On 4 April 2011 20:55, David Gorski theseawo...@gmail.com wrote: I recently installed Natty on my machine and I was really impressed

Re: [Ayatana] New style of Minimize button for Natty

2011-04-04 Thread Biturica
Pointing a minimize button at the left dock further highlights that in its current form Unity has taken away layout options for me, a humble end user. If I could disable the new dock entirely, I would rely on something more customizable like AWN and put it wherever I actually wanted it. I

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-04 Thread giff g
From: consciousu...@aol.com To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:53:45 -0300 Subject: Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea While I disagree with Mitja's tone (as usual), I agree with his main point. Most of giff's points were

Re: [Ayatana] New style of Minimize button for Natty

2011-04-04 Thread Mark Curtis
Right, because the default style of _ means you can never move the Window List to anywhere but the bottom, or well Ambiance has - so I guess that means windows mimize to the middle of the screen? GNOME Shell doesn't have a minimize at all, I guess by your logic isn't not configurable at all,

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-04 Thread Ian Santopietro
There is no definitive fact that says that Google knows best. They have their preferences about UX, and Canonical has their's. Just because these two entities don't agree doesn't make one or the other right or wrong. Most of Canonical's usability testing seems to indicate that it's easier to hit

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-04 Thread giff gill
On 4/4/2011 10:57 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote: There is no definitive fact that says that Google knows best. They have their preferences about UX, and Canonical has their's. Just because these two entities don't agree doesn't make one or the other right or wrong. Google knows about collecting

Re: [Ayatana] why global menubar/application menu isn't such a great idea

2011-04-04 Thread Ian Santopietro
Google is excellent at collecting and analyzing data. However, the word correct always means there's an opinion involved somewhere, and even if most people believe an opinion to be correct, doesn't mean everyone will. Tabs on top and the Global Menu don't break each other, and aren't nearly as

Re: [Ayatana] New style of Minimize button for Natty

2011-04-04 Thread Carl Simpson
This is something that gets said again and again, but… Unity is essentially an option just like AWN is an option, GNOME Panel is an option, Docky is an option, etc. Unity doesn't make any of those go away. If you want to customise the default experience to use a single GNOME Panel, instead of

Re: [Ayatana] New style of Minimize button for Natty

2011-04-04 Thread Biturica
Mark, I'm not sure how Gnome Shell enters into this, I certainly have no desire to use Gnome Shell. Gnome Shell is worse is not a great defense of Unity, nor a sufficient distraction from the lack of configurability in a premature serving of ~Unity~ as a Gnome 2.x replacement. Unity's

Re: [Ayatana] New style of Minimize button for Natty

2011-04-04 Thread Biturica
Carl, I have filed a bug. But when I install Gnome Panel on, say, 12.10 and an underlying change to Ubuntu breaks it, who do I file the bug report with when no one is maintaining Gnome Panel? I have not said don't do Unity. I have requested Gnome Panel be maintained for those who adopted

Re: [Ayatana] New style of Minimize button for Natty

2011-04-04 Thread Carl Simpson
Canonical has *never* maintained GNOME Panel, so the fact that it even works *now* is entirely due to the miracle of collaboration, rather than Ubuntu's or Canonical's specific efforts. That'll continue to be how it all works in the future; don't panic. There are enough people out there looking

Re: [Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~dylanmccall/indicator-datetime/bug-748772 into lp:indicator-datetime

2011-04-04 Thread Karl Lattimer
Review: Approve Looks good to me -- https://code.launchpad.net/~dylanmccall/indicator-datetime/bug-748772/+merge/56092 Your team ayatana-commits is subscribed to branch lp:indicator-datetime. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-commits

[Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/onlyenabledcalendars into lp:indicator-datetime

2011-04-04 Thread Karl Lattimer
Karl Lattimer has proposed merging lp:~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/onlyenabledcalendars into lp:indicator-datetime. Requested reviews: Ted Gould (ted) Related bugs: Bug #729033 in Indicator Date and Time: Show only Evolution calendar events if the calendar is active

[Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/onlyenabledcalendars into lp:indicator-datetime

2011-04-04 Thread noreply
The proposal to merge lp:~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/onlyenabledcalendars into lp:indicator-datetime has been updated. Status: Needs review = Merged For more details, see: https://code.launchpad.net/~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/onlyenabledcalendars/+merge/56151 --

[Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/monthappointments into lp:indicator-datetime

2011-04-04 Thread noreply
The proposal to merge lp:~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/monthappointments into lp:indicator-datetime has been updated. Status: Needs review = Merged For more details, see: https://code.launchpad.net/~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/monthappointments/+merge/55877 --

Re: [Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~ken-vandine/indicator-me/lp_746962 into lp:indicator-me

2011-04-04 Thread Ted Gould
Review: Approve review approve -- https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/indicator-me/lp_746962/+merge/56209 Your team ayatana-commits is subscribed to branch lp:indicator-me. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-commits Post to :

[Ayatana-commits] [Merge] lp:~ted/indicator-session/lp745323 into lp:indicator-session

2011-04-04 Thread Ted Gould
Ted Gould has proposed merging lp:~ted/indicator-session/lp745323 into lp:indicator-session. Requested reviews: Indicator Applet Developers (indicator-applet-developers) Related bugs: Bug #745323 in Session Menu: unity-panel-service crashed with SIGABRT in g_simple_async_result_complete()