that accessing
shortcuts and displaying menus should be considered parts of the same
problem. If the new menu style -- whatever that might turn out to be --
could be combined with the HUD in some way, that might be nice. But I
don't think it should be a primary goal.
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itself under Filters?
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is a gamble.
I like your ideas, and I think it would be better to wait until 12.10 to
add it by default. By then it should be well tested and it could have a
more complete feature set. Of course, the decision is not mine, but
that's how I feel about it. :)
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is for everyone.
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in that list. Whether you want to display most
popular items, most recent items or the current items, is up to you. The
launcher doesn't care about that.
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. For instance, how would you generate a preview of
a website that isn't open? Or dynamic diagrams of remote data? These are
valid use cases for quicklists, but I don't really see how a preview
would be easily possible and I think consistency is very important.
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Den 21. nov. 2011 18:51, skrev staticd:
scream We need a task bar!/scream
You have at least _ten_ taskbars to choose from.
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you know that you can use alt+BAT (button above tab) to switch
between document windows? It's quite efficient.
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to raise the window when you hover an item in
the list, so you get the best of both.
You mean to display a list of titles when you use alt+bat and only
display a preview of the selected document? That might be nice.
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Den 19. nov. 2011 13:56, skrev staticd:
Could those who wish to see this change implemented say so on launchpad?
The Launchpad bug tracker is not meant to be a place to vote.
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Den 19. nov. 2011 14:50, skrev staticd:
I wanted someone(s) with a better know of launchpad to help move the
patch along( testing, accepting etc...)
Oh, is there a patch? Sure I'll test it, and I'll add my findings to the
bug report. Can you provide a url?
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that apps use to show the number of open windows.
Sounds reasonable?
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something like this (if past
experience of making such suggestions is any indicator).
They? Who are they, the Ubuntu people? I thought we all were.
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: «Registry Cleaner has an important update».
User: «Clickclickclickclickclickclickclick.»
If we get those clickable notifications back... I'll click something. Hard.
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avatars though.
Making them clickable is not an option, in my not very humble opinion.
Except from that, I think there are many possibilities for improvements.
But I think the problem is greatly exaggerated.
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tab) combination for showing windows of the
same type.
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. If your type of argument would win,
we would still be entering commands for everything. You just can't let
peoples habits get in the way of progress, because then there will be no
progress.
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uncomfortable, if i didn't know where to find that
Power button immediately.
Which is why it is always visible at the appropriate place; the corner
of the screen. Why would it be better to do move it out of sight into
the dash?
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to use than if you would have ten
different icons acting in different ways, like we had before.
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, or is it more
important that the next 10.919 hours are as pleasant as possible?
It is folly to believe that people should be able to be masterful
computer users without spending even ten minutes learning how to use it.
That really _was_ my last mail in this discussion.
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idea?
Thanks,
-az
I have proposed that before. This is configurable, though. Both the time
to wait before displaying the launcher and where to hit in order to
display it. You can configure it to only be displayed if you move the
mouse to the lower left corner, for instance.
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, is a bad idea.
However, it would be very nice if apps started using the notification
options in Unity properly. There are quite a few of them, for different
purposes.
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get the highest priority? I mean, if I want
to answer the phone, then I just click on the indicator and answer it. I
really don't see the benefit of having clickable, force-action bubbles.
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believe they have made it more
intuitive based on the feedback.
How intuitive does it have to be? It's explained in less than ten seconds.
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, as a kind of portable
modifications, Software packages could be expressed within this system.
You mean like OneConf?
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a matter of doing all the boring work.
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, it is removed from the dash, and the next
time you open the dash, it will be sorted again based on the newest
unseen thing.
This way, it will act both as a personal news page, and as an efficient
way to get to stuff you want to get to.
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look and feels. If it was up to me, I wouldn't change much. But
it isn't, so don't worry :)
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asked for a few short points, but this is
ranting.
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the end of the
beginning.»
Wow, I didn't intend for this to become so verbose. :)
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out that the software does not function as intended by the authors. Do
you understand the difference? Obviously, running applications are not
intended to become invisible and unusable.
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manager. It is better to have a default
interface that is clean and simple, with the ability to add buttons you
like, than to start with a cluttered interface with the ability to remove.
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launcher, you are implying that they are. I certainly didn't intend for
this to become a discussion though.
Have a nice day.
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options appear as
they're proven to be necessary, and not in the hope that they won't be
useless. In other words, to err on the side of simplicity.
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time for it to become a strong community, but join anyway :)
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to launch and navigate
between applications. Nautilus is part of Gnome. This is an upstream
change to simplify the user interface.
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Den 01. nov. 2011 21:26, skrev anthropornis:
Will Canonical ever permit the user to disable the launcher so that he
or she can use the dock of their choice (or something else altogether)?
Canonical has chosen to permit 100% configurability. Is that awesome, or
what?
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to disable the launcher so
that he
or she can use the dock of their choice (or something else
altogether)?
Canonical has chosen to permit 100% configurability. Is that
awesome, or
what?
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Source?
Yes, indeed.
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Den 01. nov. 2011 22:15, skrev Tim Penhey:
On 02/11/11 09:44, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Den 01. nov. 2011 21:26, skrev anthropornis:
Will Canonical ever permit the user to disable the launcher so that he
or she can use the dock of their choice (or something else altogether)?
Canonical has
, up arrow twice and
enter.
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that indicators are for mouse only. We have F10 to set
keyboard focus on the menu and you can easily navigate to the indicators
by pressing the left arrow.
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it. The question is what
keyboard shortcut to use. Ctrl+BAT might be useful. (BAT == Button Above
Tab -- and Tab backwards :))
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issues).
Absolutely, and that's what the keyboard is for. Press F10 to focus
menus, navigate with arrow keys and activate items by pressing enter.
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be used if you're right handed.
This is a large topic by itself, so I'll stop there.
What do you think? I haven't actually tested this in reality, but I
think it might be nice.
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of this metaphor is broken, i can't see through it.
Yes, but why do you want to use those menus while using the dash at all?
I think clicking outside of the dash should close it.
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seems to have worked well on the mouse.
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Den 30. okt. 2011 17:30, skrev Chow Loong Jin:
On 31/10/2011 00:25, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
I think using two F-keys for this at the same time, would not be wise. I do
agree that it would be better if you could use it with one hand, though. But
perhaps we could double-tap F10 to teleport
they look nice in Gnome Shell, but
I'm not sure it would work well in Unity.
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, make heavy apps appear nearly instantaneously.
Lots of stuff to do here.
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in the
launcher if you want to use the mouse.
(other features- box around current active window, mouse only exit
from chooser, window titles below preview)
There are improvements to be made in the super+w and super+numnum views.
I agree with this.
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not a radical change, but it does make the handles
easier to see.
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apps will use dynamic quicklists, lenses, etc.
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this was a confirmed bug?
It is a confirmed bug, which is not present in Unity 2D, by the way. You
can find it here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/873082
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expressly don't want to define what problem you want to fix.
I don't really understand the problem at all. Seems nice to me, though
it would be nice if you could tear an app out of a group, but that's a
different issue.
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best solution out of fear of change. That's a _very_ bad thing to base
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want to hit the edge. If the pointer is close to the edge,
then it should only be shown if you keep pushing the pointer towards the
edge. Speed could also be used as part of the decision making.
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a button to do a generic search, but that should not be
the default.
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resizing a window in oneiric without
pressing alt, and it is indeed a fight between the overlay scrollbar
and the resize thingy.
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anyone talking about small screens in this thread. I like these features
because they don't distract my eyes unnecessarily, but it doesn't hurt
to minimize the waste of space either.
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Shouldn't direct hits on package names always be ranked highest? In
this case, I think MultiGet should be displayed before others when
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realized that it would be better to hold shift in alt+f1
to move entries up and down.
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users (which is a good thing). For
one-offs, I can still use Alt-F2.
Ah, a voice of reason. :)
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to the Dash, but require
something more explicit the other way around.
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the buttons were released. From a users point of view, this shouldn't
change anything. If you press and hold super+2, then nothing happens,
except that the launcher stays visible. When you release 2, then you
switch to the second entry.
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super, then press altgr¨¨. Many more key strokes in order to do
the same thing. If something like that was to be implemented, then I
would say the proper prefixes would be $ to run as yourself and # to run
as root. But again, I really don't want that.
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to be manually changed
to the mailing list address.
Why don't you use Reply to list?
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No, they're different things. The dash searches for applications and
files. Alt+f2 is to run a command. It is case sensitive and must be
exact. It would be very confusing if the dash gained that behaviour.
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Den 22. sep. 2011 15:08, skrev Naba Kumar:
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
joerlend.schins...@gmail.com wrote:
No, they're different things. The dash searches for applications and files.
Alt+f2 is to run a command. It is case sensitive and must be exact. It would
compiz using compiz
--replace without opening a terminal and running nohup compiz
--replace is a good reason to keep it around. Or to quickly open a root
nautilus. (Which itself is an example of situations when it should not
be necessary to run a command) Stuff like that.
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availability like it does
in 11.04. Then they actually are two different indicators for two
different aspects of the same entity, and hence it makes sense to let
them share one menu.
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must have a
different color and it should be red.
Blue is fine for startable tasks. Red is fine for overdue tasks. But
what about the remaining reminders? I really would like an indicator-way
of solving all these cases.
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the other indicators work.
Thoughts?
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the assumption that all members would know how important this is?
So, no, there are too many unresolved issues to make adding PPAs a
matter of simple point and clicks. This is why it was removed/hidden
from apturl.
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how other tabbed interfaces work and it will not interfere
with anything. Any chance of that happening in 11.10? Because not being
able to comfortably use the keyboard, is a seriously annoying regression
from 11.04.
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On my laptop, I think it's a little bit difficult to use the overlay
scrollbars. It's not very difficult, but it has been sufficient to annoy
me from time to time. I think it would help if I could increase their
sizes a little bit. Is that configurable?
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I filed a bug with an idea how to make Unity more web friendly:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-shell/+bug/837197
Reactions?
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touch the top of the screen.
The controls and menus are very discoverable.
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how to use it by
reading something, not by exploration. Because even after years of
exploration, they will not be able to grasp basic concepts, whereas spending
five minutes on a quick tutorial will give users with experience from other
systems a good understanding of how everything works.
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not improved
for a decade.
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On 27 August 2011 17:29, huff huffyli...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:57:20 +0200 Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Den 27. aug. 2011 05:02, skrev James Jenner:
I agree with you in regards to people learning the behaviour of
the application, people are not stupid and they will learn
learn and base decisions on the things that we learn.
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Den 27. aug. 2011 18:31, skrev Thorsten Wilms:
On 08/27/2011 03:08 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
If anything, people should not be given the impression that they can
learn how to use a computer by exploration.
Aspects that may support the impression that a UI can be learned by
exploration
than
a reminder that I can exit an application if I want to -- which
obviously, lots of people never do.
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Den 28. aug. 2011 00:20, skrev Biekei Ojo:
Hello guys and thanks for the work. I suggest that the color of
unity's launcher and the dash color should automatically adjust to the
present desktop theme.
The dashs color depends on the dominant color in the wallpaper in 11.10.
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on the window decorator to close and
minimize windows.
Most people are even able to use websites, which is far more difficult.
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of the screen. That means it's far easier to close the
window when you want to minimize it, but that's not what you're complaining
about, even though you are mostly worried about inexperienced users. This
is very puzzling to me. Can you explain that?
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Den 28. aug. 2011 02:41, skrev huff:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:44:44 +0200 Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Yes, you want them. But why? Is there any other reason
than liking to see orange circles with X-es in them?
Like looking at circles?!? Seriously, dude.
The reason I like them is because I look
Den 28. aug. 2011 05:12, skrev James Jenner:
On 27 August 2011 13:57, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
joerlend.schins...@gmail.com mailto:joerlend.schins...@gmail.com
wrote:
Den 27. aug. 2011 05:02, skrev James Jenner:
I was agreeing with you, not sure why you thought I was not. In
regards
I filed this bug report under Unity Shell:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-shell/+bug/835822
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, the indications are less
visible than they normally are.
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icons should be a little bit bigger. After all,
they're
fairly important parts of the interface, and they need to be more visible.
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different, but we certainly should not limit
ourselves from fear of being different either.
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so that clicks don't
have any
effect. I actually think the Ubuntu button should fill that space in any
case, to
show that it is a different button.
Best of both worlds? Just a thought.
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