Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-23 Thread Kristoffer Lundén
2010/5/21 Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to lasso a set of icons, ctrl-click to select an arbitrary set, and shift-click to continue a selection along a list. I don't see a need for the checkboxes at all. And I definitely

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-23 Thread Kristoffer Lundén
2010/5/23 Kristoffer Lundén kristoffer.lun...@gmail.com The problem with all of those is that they are hard, and complicated. Lassoing is somewhat fine for files next to each other, but not for a distributed selection. For everything else, it becomes a two-hand operation and I need to keep

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-23 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 07:04, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe think of another metaphor? I don't believe that tablet usability issues should dictate what happens on the desktop where we do have a keyboard and a mouse. yeah right, tablets alone are not enough reason to become real

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-22 Thread Alex Lourie
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Frederik Nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.comwrote: Hello SABDFL ;) On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:28, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to lasso a set of icons, ctrl-click to select an

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders on Tablets

2010-05-22 Thread Raymond Barbour
I agree that tablets should be treated as a special case and we should not dictate how the normal desktop should work. I see the following possibilities on tablets: 1. If it supports multitouch you could click and hold on the first item then select the rest by clicking on them while holding the

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joern Konopka
I forgot to add something, sure we could use a Windicator for Selected Files, but i think we still should deliver something like the Notice in the Mockups, the Notice's only purpose is to cancel the Selection anyways, so its just a quick click if you mess up your Selection or change your mind.

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Thorsten Wilms
I think having a status message with the number of selected items at the bottom is good, because this is a result of your action. Action on top, result on bottom. A Deselect All command right next to that message makes sense because of the very close relation. You can think of this unit of

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joern Konopka
http://blogs.georgiasouthern.edu/googleapps/files/2010/01/chb3q7hq_200drc9c7f8_b1.png This allows easy de-selection, and other actions such as renaming I think thats a good idea too, even though its pretty much only recreating the right-click options its very accessible to Users and could

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Launi
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:24 PM, David Hamm davidth...@gmail.com wrote: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1890515/FileSelectionMockup1.png surprisingly sexy. I want to give a +1 on single click. When this thread started I was hugely skeptical of the idea and dismissed it as absolute crap, but I

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Launi
Some concern has been raised about the discoverability of drag, this might be crack but what if on hover we did something like what is shown in Joern Konopk's mockup[0], but part of what appears on hover is something that resembles a window border/title bar. Users already know that they can drag

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joe Lanman
I'm not sure a drag handle is really necessary - simply clicking and dragging the file would seem the most straightforward interface, and would add less visual clutter. Again - google docs is a good exmple of this. ___ Mailing list:

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Folks, I don't want to pour water on your flames but... We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to lasso a set of icons, ctrl-click to select an arbitrary set, and shift-click to continue a selection along a list. I don't see a need for the checkboxes at all. And I

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 11:25 +0100, Joe Lanman wrote: I'm not sure a drag handle is really necessary - simply clicking and dragging the file would seem the most straightforward interface, and would add less visual clutter. Again - google docs is a good exmple of this. Yes. You usually see

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Conscious User
I want to give a +1 on single click. When this thread started I was hugely skeptical of the idea and dismissed it as absolute crap, but I decided to give the entire thread a read through and my mind was changed. I tested out single click on my machine, and it's pretty good. It needs

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Launi
How do you drag multiple files? -- -- Alex Launi ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joern Konopka
Okay, that was quite some input right now, i ran some loops in my brain and just thought We need to make this simpler So lets look at our targets again: - We want to be able to select multiple or single files conveniently - We dont wan't it to conflict with dragging a file - We don't want

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Tyler Brainerd
How are you planning on allowing users to control click on touchscreens with no keyboard? On May 21, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: Folks, I don't want to pour water on your flames but... We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to lasso a

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread David Hamm
long press should be reserved for menu's ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Joe Lanman
I added Google Docs examples to the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/DoubleClick ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help :

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-21 Thread Frederik Nnaji
Hello SABDFL ;) On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:28, Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com wrote: We already have mechanisms for multiple selection, with dragging to lasso a set of icons, ctrl-click to select an arbitrary set, and shift-click to continue a selection along a list. Of course we have

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:45, David Hamm davidth...@gmail.com wrote: b)Bottom's up- I'm really just throwing scant remarks out there as if to spark other possibilities. a)Menu Option (select mode) could even be, and option to switch to a double click kinda thing. ex. single clicking to

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:38, Joern Konopka cldx3...@googlemail.com wrote: a) Just wanted to know if i got this right, by Menu Option you mean something like Edit-Select Files in the Nautilus Menu that acts like: -Disable File Opening and enable File Selection in the current Folder Like that?

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread David Hamm
Mouse modes sounds bad already :p On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Frederik Nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 01:38, Joern Konopka cldx3...@googlemail.com wrote: a) Just wanted to know if i got this right, by Menu Option you mean something like Edit-Select Files in

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On 2010-05-20, David Hamm davidth...@gmail.com wrote: Mouse modes sounds bad already :p hahaaah yop. that's why i don't support the idea anymore.. so what would y'all vote for? Checkboxes? GNOME guidelines on this kind of stuff? ___ Mailing list:

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread Luke Morton
On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 23:19 +0200, Frederik Nnaji wrote: On 2010-05-20, David Hamm davidth...@gmail.com wrote: Mouse modes sounds bad already :p hahaaah yop. that's why i don't support the idea anymore.. so what would y'all vote for? Checkboxes? GNOME guidelines on this kind of

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread Joern Konopka
I created a little Mockup so we get a feel of what it might look like with the CheckBoxes, additionally i added a Dismiss all Button to the Bottom of the Window. You`ll find the Mockup here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1890515/FileSelectionMockup1.png -- Why don't you start at the

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Great mockup! I like the look of it. On May 20, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Joern Konopka cldx3...@googlemail.com wrote: I created a little Mockup so we get a feel of what it might look like with the CheckBoxes, additionally i added a Dismiss all Button to the Bottom of the Window. You`ll find the Mockup

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-20 Thread Tyler Brainerd
A windicator, perhaps? Isn't the entire status bar supposed to basically disappear? On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Luke Morton luke.mor...@internode.on.netwrote: On Thu, 2010-05-20 at 19:00 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: Great mockup! I like the look of it. I agree. Nice work. Could you

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-19 Thread Frederik Nnaji
i s love the checkbox idea for selecting list/compact view! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-19 Thread David Hamm
seeing as single click is grasping hold, check-box's aren't far off. Kde's way of having the plus icon would seem to be a good way to do this, either plus or a checkbox. This is probably the best way to do it, however I must ask if maybe a menu option (select files) or a bottom popup of some sort

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-18 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 18 May 2010 14:59, Akshat Jain ssj6akshat1...@gmail.com wrote: An interested workaround can be that we diable clicking on the same item for 1 or 2 seconds so that heavy double-clickers will not open two windows instead of one.Problem Solved. Please, read the entire thread before you answer:

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-18 Thread Akshat Jain
oops On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: On 18 May 2010 14:59, Akshat Jain ssj6akshat1...@gmail.com wrote: An interested workaround can be that we diable clicking on the same item for 1 or 2 seconds so that heavy double-clickers will not

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-18 Thread Diego Moya
On 17 May 2010 02:37, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: Thanks to everyone contributing to the discussion. But please, before you answer or link to this, read/link the wiki page Thorsten Wilms created for this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/DoubleClick Our essential findings should be written

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
I've taken the liberties of taking this to a much larger group of contributers on OMG! Ubuntu! to get some feedback from a nice and large audience of end-users. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/ayatana-and-single-click-navigation.html

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
yeah, they even have a like button, loving the site, i didn't go there that often: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:33, Tyler Brainerd tylerbrain...@gmail.comwrote: I've taken the liberties of taking this to a much larger group of contributers on OMG! Ubuntu! to get some feedback from a nice and

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Jeremy Bicha
In response to this thread, I turned on single click mode and found it to be quite usable once it was explained how to do things. Even though it goes against what Mac, Windows, and most Linux distributions are doing, I think this single click file management thing could be a smart decision. It's

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Akshat Jain
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net wrote: In response to this thread, I turned on single click mode and found it to be quite usable once it was explained how to do things. Even though it goes against what Mac, Windows, and most Linux distributions are doing, I think

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Alex Lourie
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net wrote: In response to this thread, I turned on single click mode and found it to be quite usable once it was explained how to do things. Even though it goes against what Mac, Windows, and most Linux distributions are doing, I think

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 17:52, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: OK. So I guess it's pointless to tell again my opinion on the subject. Your concern is also mine, still, this thread is a creative approach at a new vision - let's not rattle against it too much (see Walt Disney Method) [1].

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Curtis
Switching the behavior in Nautilus to single click causes inconsistency with the Open File dialog of any application. The Open File dialog of Firefox, OO.org, etc still uses the traditional double click.

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Only incidentally. The primary way of opening a file in the open dialog, and the way I see mothers, fathers, and the basically uninformed using it, is by selecting then pushing the open button, not double clicking. I've actually had people freak out by how quick I get through that navigation,

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Remco
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 22:15, Tyler Brainerd tylerbrain...@gmail.com wrote: Only incidentally. The primary way of opening a file in the open dialog, and the way I see mothers, fathers, and the basically uninformed using it, is by selecting then pushing the open button, not double clicking.

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Luke Morton
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 22:37 +0200, Remco wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 22:15, Tyler Brainerd tylerbrain...@gmail.com wrote: Only incidentally. The primary way of opening a file in the open dialog, and the way I see mothers, fathers, and the basically uninformed using it, is by selecting

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Rob Greer
Tell me what in particular we need screenshots of and I'll grab em. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 20:37, Jan-Christoph Borchardt inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks to everyone contributing to the discussion. But please, before you answer or link to this, read/link the wiki page Thorsten Wilms

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
how precisely do we get screenshots of single clicks over double clicks? :P On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Rob Greer samin...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me what in particular we need screenshots of and I'll grab em. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 20:37, Jan-Christoph Borchardt

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 17 May 2010 04:42, Rob Greer samin...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me what in particular we need screenshots of and I'll grab em. How the system is indicating possible file operations like selecting, dragging etc. in single click mode (probably on hover). I already added 5 screenshots of KDE’s

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Tyler Brainerd
I just added info about windows 7. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: On 17 May 2010 04:42, Rob Greer samin...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me what in particular we need screenshots of and I'll grab em. How the system is indicating possible

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-16 Thread Rob Greer
Would Windows XP info be useful or only current versions of OSes? On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 01:36, Tyler Brainerd tylerbrain...@gmail.comwrote: I just added info about windows 7. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Jan-Christoph Borchardt inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: On 17 May 2010 04:42,

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread Akshat Jain
At first I was against this idea but after trying Kubuntu I am in favour of this idea,It only took me a few minutes to be adjusted.I tried this 10 people(old people and 4-6 year old children)who had never used computers and they were comfortable with single click but had problems with Double-Click

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread SorinN
On the topic of double click or single click - the user should choose not others. Open Source should not became a prison. 2010/5/12 Jan-Christoph Borchardt inqu...@googlemail.com: What about that? Are there any plans already to default to single click for opening files and folders in Ubuntu?

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread Mark Curtis
Regardless, one or the other has to be the default. I think that's more the discussion here, if changing the default behavior is beneficial. Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:47:41 -0700 From: nemes.so...@gmail.com To: inqu...@gmail.com CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana]

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread David Hamm
The more options and questions and choices we present to the user, the less they will want to know about *any* of them. btw, you have seen the power menu right? .right, back to single click discussion. I'd say get everyone round the office to set single click and have a vote after a week. reason

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread David Hamm
ps. select on hover-over (for devices w/ keyboards) is kinda necessary if we switch to single click, which i'm all for btw. the only thing that can enslave a person, is another person. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to :

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread Alex Lourie
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Frederik Nnaji frederik.nn...@gmail.comwrote: User testing has revealed that single click comes more intuitively to users than double click. Would you care to elaborate on that? What user testing? 90% of computers used today (Windows) using double click,

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread David Hamm
As a matter of dignity and manly pride I challenge you, Alex Lourie, to open nautiluseditpreferencesbehaviorsingle click, for a week. And after that week, comeback and complain! btw. the whole freaking internet is single click. psh. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread Tyler Brainerd
I'm changing my computer to single click to see what I think. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 2:07 PM, David Hamm davidth...@gmail.com wrote: As a matter of dignity and manly pride I challenge you, Alex Lourie, to open nautiluseditpreferencesbehaviorsingle click, for a week. And after that week,

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-15 Thread Alex Lourie
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:07 AM, David Hamm davidth...@gmail.com wrote: As a matter of dignity and manly pride I challenge you, Alex Lourie, to open nautiluseditpreferencesbehaviorsingle click, for a week. And after that week, comeback and complain! btw. the whole freaking internet is

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-14 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 14:20 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: Perhaps read the rest of the conversation and you will read all the previous examples of difficulty with some functions. You said impossible. Now suddenly it's difficulty. It would help this list tremendously if everyone tried to be

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-14 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 14 May 2010 11:58, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: A valid point I got from a Mac user: Selecting the file to use quick look is more often used than actually opening the file (because it is quicker …). That would be a problem if we actually had quick look or another kind of

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-14 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:58 +0200, Conscious User wrote: Again, I think some of you are giving *way* too much importance to most used and treating it as if it meant the same as the only one used. Like way too often, this read is running in circles now. I would like to suggest to just stop.

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-14 Thread Tyler Brainerd
On May 14, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:58 +0200, Conscious User wrote: Again, I think some of you are giving *way* too much importance to most used and treating it as if it meant the same as the only one used. Like way too often, this

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-14 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 14/05/10 14:48, Tyler Brainerd wrote: On May 14, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:58 +0200, Conscious User wrote: Again, I think some of you are giving *way* too much importance to most used and treating it as if it meant the same

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 13:57 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: Agreement with Conscious user. To implement single clicks solves no problem and creates a whole list of new ones. The solves-no-problem part is simply not true. For some people performing a double-click is hard. May it sound like a

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Remco
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:29, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: So how would a simple selection be solved? If I want to select a file or a folder, I single-click on it. If this behavior changes, then A LOT of people will have to change their behavior. So if changing this hurts more people

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Alex Lourie
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: I think single click should not be default, but there is one way of improving single selection in that mode: put a checkbox before each file and folder. This also makes it easier to do multi selection in any mode. -- Remco

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Alex Lourie
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.comwrote: In today's paradigm, the second selection works as the rename function. So changing that to open would definitely cause some relearning to have place. On the other hand, it may make more sense to actually open

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 11:18 +0200, Conscious User wrote: I'm not talking about selecting an item first and then initiating a drag. I'm talking about starting a drag *without wondering whether you will activate the link or not*. Well, both opening of files or folder in Nautilus with

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Diego Moya
On 13 May 2010 14:08, Thorsten Wilms wrote: You would get rid of the pesky timing issue, but introduce state and still require 2 clicks for the most common action (if opening is not the most common action on files or folders, I would suggest something is going wrong). There will be (short)

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Remco
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:07, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: I think single click should not be default, but there is one way of improving single selection in that mode: put a checkbox before each file and folder. This

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 14:48, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:07, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: I think single click should not be default, but there is one way of improving single selection

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 14:17, Diego Moya turi...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2010 14:08, Thorsten Wilms wrote: You would get rid of the pesky timing issue, but introduce state and still require 2 clicks for the most common action (if opening is not the most common action on files or

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Conscious User
like somebody said on the xdg list... exposing hierarchical filesystems in user space is the actual problem. in German we would now say jetzt haben wir den salat, meaning we are now exposed to increased communication entropy within the UI ;) honestly, please name the use cases for file

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Conscious User
You would get rid of the pesky timing issue, but introduce state and still require 2 clicks for the most common action (if opening is not the most common action on files or folders, I would suggest something is going wrong). I have nothing against making the common action easy. The problem

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Conscious User
note: checkbox appears on mouse-over. this behaviour works best, if all thumbs are of the same size and muscle memory is honored by the checkbox position. for those who want to test this behaviour live: try Dolphin, it's just a command away: $sudo apt-get install dolphin Add a handle

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Conscious User
What is the primary tool that the system provides to users to look at their files? It may not be supposed to do it, but that does not matter because it is done anyway. I agree that a compromise with current ways should be reached, but dismissing the entire matter because it is done anyway is

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 13 May 2010 17:08, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: What is the primary tool that the system provides to users to look at their files? It may not be supposed to do it, but that does not matter because it is done anyway. I agree that a compromise with current ways should be

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Diego Moya
On 13 May 2010 17:08, Conscious User wrote: are different things. Therefore, drag-n-drop also deserves its mouseover handle, methinks... Good idea! On 13 May 2010 17:50, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote: A mouseover handle: That’s more of a compromise. :) This could solve the discoverability

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Diego Moya
On 13 May 2010 18:31, Diego Moyawrote: I attach a quick-n-dirty mockup of a visual design for how this can be suggested. ... and a second version with several files, one of them with the mouseover. attachment: file-mouseover-handle-2.png___ Mailing

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Diego Moya
On 13 May 2010 18:42, Frederik Nnaji wrote: pretty! where would you now place the checkbox for multiple selection? Oops! I forgot about that feature :-) Maybe a pin icon at the top of the handle, instead of a checkbox? ___ Mailing list:

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread David Hamm
Maybe a pin icon at the top of the handle, instead of a checkbox? I like the checkbox better, it has more of a human feel. I also added the handle on the opposite side for more balance. attachment: file-mouseover-handle.png___ Mailing list:

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Diego Moya
On 13 May 2010 19:36, Diego Moya wrote: On 13 May 2010 18:42, Frederik Nnaji wrote: pretty! where would you now place the checkbox for multiple selection? Oops! I forgot about that feature :-) Maybe a pin icon at the top of the handle, instead of a checkbox? ... like this one. (Though it's

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread David Hamm
Anyone else feel like seeing avatar again? In all honesty single clicking isn't something that should be brushed off. For the short term I would copy windows7 to the T. Hovering over and icon selects it. For the long run I would consider making it default; with touch in mind. Normally single

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Good usability does not mean we aim for the lowest possible denominator, it means we find the most usable possibility. in the current icon mode of layout, simply switching to single clicking is going to make other functions impossible, not easier. my point was simple that it creates many other

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Neil Broadley
I'm curious to how pure this discussion is. Is the aim of Ayatana simply to provide the most intuitive design ever, or does it take into account how things are done in Windows and Mac and make reservation for it? Single-click to open is the reason I immediately dismissed Mepis in 2005 and ended

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 13:02 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: Good usability does not mean we aim for the lowest possible denominator, it means we find the most usable possibility. This sentence seems to be devoid of actual sense. in the current icon mode of layout, simply switching to single

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Luke Morton
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 16:34 +0200, Conscious User wrote: honestly, please name the use cases for file operations. i want to see thumbs for photos, not filenames. i want to read metadata (artist, album, title, artwork) for songs. I thought long and hard about the use cases for wanting to

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Luke Morton
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 14:36 +0200, Frederik Nnaji wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:02, Remco remc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:29, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: So how would a simple selection be solved? If I want to select a file or

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Tyler Brainerd
How in the world is highlight selecting folders for copying or moving supposed to be easier on the user? Further, what I said was in the curren icon mode as in, if we are going to do this, we have to rethink everything about it, not just changing open to a single click. As in, we have to rethink

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Luke Morton
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 15:26 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote: How in the world is highlight selecting folders for copying or moving supposed to be easier on the user? I never said selecting a folder for copying or moving would be easier. In fact, I said the methods for doing so (some of them)

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Luke Morton
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 20:18 -0400, Sohail Mirza wrote: Changing learnt behaviours is easier said than done! I agree. A cost of this change is the frustration of users who are accustomed to Windows' default behaviour at their workplace, or at home. This is potentially a level of frustration

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-13 Thread Sohail Mirza
I'm sorry if I misunderstood your position. Thanks for the clarification. :) On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Luke Morton luke.mor...@internode.on.netwrote: On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 20:18 -0400, Sohail Mirza wrote: Changing learnt behaviours is easier said than done! I agree. A cost of

[Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
What about that? Are there any plans already to default to single click for opening files and folders in Ubuntu? It is way more intuitive to open with just a single click and have the modifier for the less frequent use-case of selecting (multiple) elements. Launcher icons are also activated by

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Conscious User
Le mercredi 12 mai 2010 à 15:00 +0200, Jan-Christoph Borchardt a écrit : What about that? Are there any plans already to default to single click for opening files and folders in Ubuntu? It is way more intuitive to open with just a single click and have the modifier for the less frequent

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 12 May 2010 15:23, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: I am strongly against this. I believe single-click usually works for the web because usually most possible actions for an hyperlink are, at the end of the day, variations of open: open in another window, open in another tab,

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 21:18, Jan-Christoph Borchardt inqu...@googlemail.com wrote: I must say I very much like how KDE / Dolphin handles that (shows a plus sign on hover, although it is a bit distracting). yeah, indicating the possibility of drag on click, either when the appropiate

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Conscious User
You are completely right, there is a semantic difference. But I wonder if (have hard times believing) that this is recognizable by or even relevant to users. In my opinion, this is recognizable whenever the user does to files or folders something he does not do to launchers, like deleting or

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Agreement with Conscious user. To implement single clicks solves no problem and creates a whole list of new ones. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.comwrote: You are completely right, there is a semantic difference. But I wonder if (have hard times believing)

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Luke Morton
I like this idea. Double-clicking is an unnecessary gesture since we have multiple buttons (or Simulated Secondary Click in the Accessibilty tab of the Mouse Preferences). It confuses novice users and is an accessibility issue for motor impaired users. Both these sets of users would benefit from

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Shane Fagan
Hey all, I completely missed this thread so sorry if im going over anything someone else said. I like the idea of switching from double click but we'll have to handle when people double click so we dont open multiple instances when people expect the previous behaviour. Other than that id agree

Re: [Ayatana] Default to single click to open files and folders

2010-05-12 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 13 May 2010 01:39, Luke Morton luke.mor...@internode.on.net wrote: I like this idea. Double-clicking is an unnecessary gesture since we have multiple buttons (or Simulated Secondary Click in the Accessibilty tab of the Mouse Preferences). It confuses novice users and is an accessibility

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