Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-02-20 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 18/01/11 18:09, Conscious User wrote: They are very different things, and a design that works well for one will hardly ever work well for the other. I'm a little bit confused now because Mark's blog post about Unity clearly stated that some design decisions were motivated by touch

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-02-20 Thread Mitja Pagon
I would draw a distinction between touch friendly and touch optimized, and while I agree with what MPT said about Unity and Ubuntu not being optimized for touch (mainly because of the applications), there is nothing wrong with making interfaces touch friendly (usable on, but not optimized for,

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 18:06, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: I'm particularly interested in this issue. I like the show on hover, but how is it going to be addressed in touch devices? eye-tracking? I'm not talking about the future. I'm asking

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread Conscious User
It is futile to attempt to solve a problem that does not yet exist. What are you talking about? Ubuntu is being installed in touch devices as we speak: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/augen-improves-gentouch-78-teases-lenovo-u1-hybrid-competitor/

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:26, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: It is futile to attempt to solve a problem that does not yet exist. What are you talking about? Ubuntu is being installed in touch devices as we speak:

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread Conscious User
I'm not really interested in brainstorming right now. Natty is going to be released in three months and I'm interested in knowing which ideas the official design team *already have* to address the hover issue, or why they don't consider it an issue. -Original Message- From:

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:22, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: I'm not really interested in brainstorming right now. Natty is going to be released in three months and I'm interested in knowing which ideas the official design team *already have* to address the hover issue, or why

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread Thamawij Pirajnaraporn
Hi All, One thing I'm happy about is many people interesting in this topic, even though I picked it up too late. How about making some adjustment ? In my view, remove the panel is just fine. Here's the reasons and some of them also answers. - The panel that have click-able things will make

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thamawij Pirajnaraporn wrote on 13/01/11 21:40: ... I have seen the 10.10 netbook and 11.04 Alpha, Unity dock is a big improvement but I think global menu is not a good idea with the following reasons. (At first I though it was a modified gnome

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread Phong Cao Viet
very nice and neat mockup IMO! Is that mockup yours? On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Thamawij Pirajnaraporn ubuntu.thama...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, One thing I'm happy about is many people interesting in this topic, even though I picked it up too late. How about making some adjustment ?

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread Conscious User
They are very different things, and a design that works well for one will hardly ever work well for the other. I'm a little bit confused now because Mark's blog post about Unity clearly stated that some design decisions were motivated by touch devices. Is the Unity design still taking touch

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 19:09, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: They are very different things, and a design that works well for one will hardly ever work well for the other. I'm a little bit confused now because Mark's blog post about Unity clearly stated that some design

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-18 Thread Thamawij Pirajnaraporn
@Phong Cao Viet - That's not my mock up. ^^ But I agree that it's nice and well-design. @Matthew Paul Thomas - Thanks for clarify about Unity course. Personally, I don't agree that touch OS cannot play well with a pointer and believe the reason that Mac split them into two is just because of

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-17 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 17:16, Conscious User consciousu...@aol.com wrote: Le jeudi 13 janvier 2011 à 23:39 -0500, Mark Curtis a écrit : I figured the point raised in this topic would be that the global menu items currently are only visible on HOVER. Something that is impossible to do on

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-17 Thread Conscious User
I'm particularly interested in this issue. I like the show on hover, but how is it going to be addressed in touch devices? eye-tracking? I'm not talking about the future. I'm asking how the designers are handling this issue *now*, for Natty.

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-15 Thread Conscious User
Le jeudi 13 janvier 2011 à 23:39 -0500, Mark Curtis a écrit : I figured the point raised in this topic would be that the global menu items currently are only visible on HOVER. Something that is impossible to do on a touch based device. I'm particularly interested in this issue. I like the

[Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-13 Thread Thamawij Pirajnaraporn
Hello guys, I have seen the 10.10 netbook and 11.04 Alpha, Unity dock is a big improvement but I think global menu is not a good idea with the following reasons. (At first I though it was a modified gnome panel) - Panel-based OS certainly not work for touch OS because : - panels take

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-13 Thread Alexander Lancey
I agree with the fact that on vertical-screen (aka most screens) devices the global menu won't be that great. However, for vertical screens it's a good space saver. That panel space would not normally be utilized, and it cuts space of every window. Integrating it with the launcher would be really

Re: [Ayatana] I don't think global menu and the panel is good for a touch OS

2011-01-13 Thread Mark Curtis
I figured the point raised in this topic would be that the global menu items currently are only visible on HOVER. Something that is impossible to do on a touch based device. From: a...@alexandos.org To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:10:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [Ayatana] I