Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-06-17 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jake Tolbert wrote on 16/06/10 05:05: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com mailto:docto...@gmail.com wrote: ... That is what you would get if you removed the ... from the bar when they get resized. I never

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-06-17 Thread Luke Benstead
On 15 June 2010 08:10, Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 14:08 +0100, Luke Benstead wrote: Is there a reason why DockbarX is not suitable for this? I've attached a screenshot incase people dunno what I'm talking about :) That is what you would get if you removed

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-06-15 Thread Martin Owens
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 14:08 +0100, Luke Benstead wrote: Is there a reason why DockbarX is not suitable for this? I've attached a screenshot incase people dunno what I'm talking about :) That is what you would get if you removed the ... from the bar when they get resized. I never understood

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jake Tolbert
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 14:08 +0100, Luke Benstead wrote: Is there a reason why DockbarX is not suitable for this? I've attached a screenshot incase people dunno what I'm talking about :) That is what you would get if

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-06-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luke Benstead wrote on 05/05/10 15:38: I've been giving this a lot of thought recently, well actually, I've been irritated into giving it thought after not being able to find my Rhythmbox window. I've been trying to work out why we have minimize

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-28 Thread David Hamm
I've been looking through some of the maemo stuff and it actually looks pretty sexy. I've never used it in person so I apologize for my arrogance :p I'd just prefer android cus its more small screen friendly, although as cellphones get larger oled screens ( :D )... anyway whatever :p had to say

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-20 Thread David Hamm
Android=Google instantly forget...impossible... And android is much better...or maybe you just wanted me to say that... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe :

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-15 Thread Сергей
2010/5/14 David Hamm davidth...@gmail.com Chat windows used to be one click away. This was one of the best arguments against it until they made the tray. http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/ but you can still use the same argument, in that, gnome shell cannon't

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-14 Thread Сергей
With GNOME-Shell coming, arises problem of managing small windows which you need to always have here at hand. The greatest problem are chat windows. Yes, replying from the notification is good, but what if you need to copy a link from Firefox, then return to a chat window and paste it? Switch to

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-14 Thread David Hamm
Chat windows used to be one click away. This was one of the best arguments against it until they made the tray. http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/ but you can still use the same argument, in that, gnome shell cannon't presume to know how all applications will work.

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
Jeremy Nickurak jer...@nickurak.ca wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 17:24, Jan Claeys li...@janc.be wrote: That option is still there in GNOME 2.30 (as included in Lucid). Nope. Early gnomes had (IIRC) 3 options for what to show on the taskbar: 1) Show only windows from the current workspace

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-06 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 09:59 -0600, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: If i window is minizimed, I want it in the taskbar, period. Since it's not visually on a desktop, and desktop ~= workspace, it can't be on any workspace, so the only place it could live is the taskbar. If you click the taskbar button of

[Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Luke Benstead
I've been giving this a lot of thought recently, well actually, I've been irritated into giving it thought after not being able to find my Rhythmbox window. I've been trying to work out why we have minimize to tray functionality at all and all I can come up with is that it is because the

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Victor
No, it is not time. On 5 May 2010 16:38, Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com wrote: I've been giving this a lot of thought recently, well actually, I've been irritated into giving it thought after not being able to find my Rhythmbox window. I've been trying to work out why we have minimize to

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Luke Benstead
On 5 May 2010 15:42, Victor vm.kalbsk...@gmail.com wrote: No, it is not time. Care to elaborate? Luke. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Remco
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 16:38, Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com wrote: In this situation minimize to tray is: a.) Effectively the same thing b.) A pain to work with because now there are two possible places that your window could be minimized to Plus, a tray (or app-indicator) icon: c.) Has

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Jarlath Reidy
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Luke Benstead kaz...@gmail.com wrote: It's because of this shortage of space that I believe minimize to tray exists. Minimize to tray is essentially I don't need this window cluttering up my taskbar, but I need to leave it running and the only reason I can

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Gavin Langdon
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Jarlath Reidy jarlathre...@gmail.comwrote: A better functioning taskbar would eliminate the need for yet another desktop metaphor. There are too many on the desktop at the moment (double click icons, oh-no, that's a toolbar shortcut, single click that one,

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Alex Launi
We pretty much already do all of this in Docky. Docky + panel mode is basically the win7 jump list jawn. -- --Alex Launi ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe :

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Gavin Langdon
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com wrote: We pretty much already do all of this in Docky. Docky + panel mode is basically the win7 jump list jawn. -- --Alex Launi I don't think there's support for the application being run to customize the content of the list

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Remco
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 21:06, Gavin Langdon puttabu...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, it would increase the utility of standard window minimizing. Rather than removing the application completely from the user's grasp when they minimize it, it is simply taking up less space. The user does not need to

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Luke Benstead
On 5 May 2010 20:06, Gavin Langdon puttabu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Jarlath Reidy jarlathre...@gmail.com wrote: A better functioning taskbar would eliminate the need for yet another desktop metaphor. There are too many on the desktop at the moment (double click

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
One of my big reasons for using minimize-to-tray instead of regular minimize is that the tray exists independantly of the workspaces you're on. Minimizing to the task manager could work... but it would be critical to me that the stickyness of an application is preserved on minimize, and this is

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Jarlath Reidy
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Gavin Langdon puttabu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think a standard shouldn't be adopted just because of the chance that an application won't use it properly. I agree with you. I mostly mean that the form of the standard may need to be assertive in some areas,

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Gavin Langdon
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jarlath Reidy jarlathre...@gmail.comwrote: I agree with you. I mostly mean that the form of the standard may need to be assertive in some areas, for example as the current indicator area does by not providing the applications tooltips. Yes, this makes plenty

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Jan Claeys
Op woensdag 05-05-2010 om 15:18 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Jeremy Nickurak: Another angle to this is whether minimized applications should actually exist on any workspace in general. To me, the workspace does not include the panel... the panel itself is sticky. Therefore, things in the panel

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Alex Launi
What's the point of the tear-off functionality? If torn what happens on hover then? -- --Alex Launi ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help :

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Gavin Langdon
What's the point of the tear-off functionality? If torn what happens on hover then? It was a secondary thought--this could be a more-integrated and more ideal way to use gadgets/widgets. Basically they'd act as small versions of the apps for when the app is otherwise minimized. You could do a

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Jan Claeys
Op woensdag 05-05-2010 om 15:38 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Luke Benstead: I've been giving this a lot of thought recently, well actually, I've been irritated into giving it thought after not being able to find my Rhythmbox window. I've been trying to work out why we have minimize to tray

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed minimize to tray ?

2010-05-05 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 17:24, Jan Claeys li...@janc.be wrote: That option is still there in GNOME 2.30 (as included in Lucid). Nope. Early gnomes had (IIRC) 3 options for what to show on the taskbar: 1) Show only windows from the current workspace 2) Show windows from the current workspace,