[Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Xavier Claessens
Hello, I discovered recently natty as a new scrollbar, as exposed by Mark Shuttleworth himself: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/615 Here are my issues: * I can’t middle click to jump to a position * I can’t click on the bar to make a big jump * I need a long time to find where the bar

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Stuart Langridge
On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 09:43 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote: I discovered recently natty as a new scrollbar, as exposed by Mark Shuttleworth himself: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/615 Here are my issues: * I can’t middle click to jump to a position * I need a long time to find

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Mitja Pagon
I see this scrollbars as another solution in search of a problem to solve and in the process introducing more problems than it solves. When will people realize that this is not the right approach to do things. Cheers, Mitja - Xavier Claessens xclae...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Martín Soto
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Mitja Pagon mitja.pa...@inueni.comwrote: I see this scrollbars as another solution in search of a problem to solve and in the process introducing more problems than it solves. When will people realize that this is not the right approach to do things. The

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Mitja Pagon
- Martín Soto dons...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Mitja Pagon mitja.pa...@inueni.com wrote: I see this scrollbars as another solution in search of a problem to solve and in the process introducing more problems than it solves. When will people realize

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Xavier Claessens
Hello, Note that my grand father already forget to read the whole email in evolution because he does not see the scrollbar. With the new scrollbar he will for sure never read long emails! Not only the scrollbar is small, but when that part of the window does not have the focus, it does not even

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Conscious User
Sorry, but every pixel counts is not a definition of a problem. Before coming up with a solution, first you have to define what the problem you are trying to solve is. This is the supposed problem as defined by Christian Giordano, the man behind this scroll bar implementation: Today’s

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Mitja Pagon
- Conscious User consciousu...@gmail.com wrote: The problem *is* clear: scrollbars are optimized for cursor driven UI but they became easily unnecessary and bulky on touchable and small screen devices. Actually it's not, the definition is vague and overly generalized. Also it's

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread nick rundy
...@inueni.com Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 13:33:49 +0200 CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues Hello, Note that my grand father already forget to read the whole email in evolution because he does not see the scrollbar. With the new scrollbar he will for sure

Re: [Ayatana] New natty scrollbar issues

2011-04-11 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 19:31 -0400, nick rundy wrote: This is my concern as well. Many people including myself use the appearance of the scroll bar to gain info on page length and size of page content. This helps me gauge size for print jobs as well as how much content is available for reading.