On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:57:42 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
And at some point, you weren't just saying the Quran is silent about
the equality but that it is positively inconsistent with it.
Susan:
I think the details of the Qur'an are inconsistent with the social
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:12:05 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
In the Bahai faith women
can't participate in combat and can't be on the UHJ to make legal
rulings,
Susan:
That's true. As I said, even our scriptures have their limitations.
Gilberto:
Even in Islam women
In a message dated 12/11/2004 10:45:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Where
are you getting that from?
For gosh sakes, Gilberto. Have you never seen the fatwas to the effect that
women should not be in positions of political authority because political
leaders
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:20:09 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
And at some point, you weren't just saying the Quran is silent about
the equality but that it is positively inconsistent with it.
Susan:
I think the details of the Qur'an are inconsistent
Here is a paste from the book regarding the issue:
"Second, there is a discussion about radiocarbon dating, which is our best
method for dating fossils less than 30,000 years old. Let's go back in time to
1912. At Piltdown near Sussex a skull had been found in a gravel pit that had a
modern
In a message dated 12/11/2004 12:04:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Second,
there is a discussion about radiocarbon dating, which is our best method for
dating fossils less than 30,000 years old. Let's go back in time to 1912. At
Piltdown near Sussex a skull
Brent,
Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful post. I find it very
interesting and helpful in clarifying my own thinking. I want to think
about it and respond more fully when I have more time, hopefully by
tomorrow. But for now I will make just one short comment.
Brent wrote:
...I may be
In a message dated 12/11/2004 7:31:17 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the Bahai
faith womencan't participate in combat and can't be on the UHJ to make
legalrulings, "Even" in Islam women like Khadijah owned their
ownbusinesses, women led troops in battle, and
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:44:46 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Name some female muftis for me and
cite the fetwas they issued which others followed.
Aisha (ra) is obviously one big early one
Dear Gilberto,
To my knowledge Aisha was honored as a hadith reciter,
In a message dated 12/11/2004 1:14:02 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Susan: In answer to your question, Gilberto, yes, I think the
meanings of any true scripture cannot be exhausted. But I don't think
any scripture, including Baha'i scripture, is exhaustive. That's
Please look at all the links I included in the e-mail you are
responding to. If you are having problems opening those links I could
do a cut-and-paste job for you (or anyone) and mail them to the list.
Dear Gilberto,
Ah yes, there is one woman in a non-Muslim country that is able to function
as
Because of many pressures and problems this servant did not wish to
interfere in your conversation
Please do, Khazeh jan. Part of the reason I invited Gilberto to participate
here (after so many of his postings on SRB were being rejected) is because I
was hoping the two of you might become
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:22:47 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please look at all the links I included in the e-mail you are
responding to. If you are having problems opening those links I could
do a cut-and-paste job for you (or anyone) and mail them to the list.
Dear Gilberto,
Gilberto dear friend
Dr Susan says nice things about many people. She is the essence of fairness,
objectivity, and erudition but in the matter of some lowly ones like this
dust she says very nice things that are as warn as December weather outside
is freezing.
In the Kitab i Iqan Baha'u'llah
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bahai's insistence on being
non-partisan in political matters seems odd to me. I'm not sure how to
put it but it smells like complacency to me.
[D.A.L.] Stepping back totally from political matters has been one of my
greatest challenges as a Baha'i. The way I take
[kf]
Most respectfully this servant [kf] would add that although the background
of Jesus Christ and His holiness Bahá'u'lláh are important, the background
of these Sanctified Beings is in no way determinative, defining, or
de-limiting.
Consider for example Jesus Christ.
In Samaria the Samaritan
In a message dated 12/11/2004 3:55:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really!?!? I don't understand? What is the appeal? Besides, I've
evenheard from some followers of Thelema that in some ways the
movementhas already been "corrupted" to Crowleanity.
Mark was into
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:56:50 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/11/2004 3:55:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really!?!? I don't understand? What is the appeal? Besides, I've even
heard from some followers of Thelema that in some
Gilberto,
One more point.
At 03:55 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
Really!?!? I don't understand? What is the appeal? Besides, I've even heard
from some followers of Thelema that in some ways the movement has already
been corrupted to Crowleanity.
There are many Thelemite groups. The largest is
You don't think that Falwell, Robertson, and F. Graham represent the *new*
mainsteam Protestantism?
Dear Mark,
Most Protestants don't live in the US, however it is the evangelical wings
that are growing world wide as well, so maybe you are right.
warmest, Susan
Susan,
At 05:45 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
Mainstream? God help us!
You don't think that Falwell, Robertson, and F. Graham represent the *new*
mainsteam Protestantism? That concept has been discussed in the religious
studies literature, including the sociology of religion, for quite some time,
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:07:24 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto dear friend
Dear Khazeh
You write below:
In the Kitab i Iqan Baha'u'llah says many wonderful things about the Holy
Qur'an:
And I agree in alot of ways. There are many nice things said about the
Quran,
My point as regards the 'missing link' was that scientific understanding is
fluid and changes over time. What at one time would have been interpreted as
heresy, is accepted now in that there is no direct link between man and ape (No
intermediate soecies as the Master suggested) and once was
What at one time would have been interpreted as heresy, is accepted now in
that there is no direct link between man and ape (No intermediate soecies as
the Master suggested) and once was thought to be true.
Dear Fariborz,
Yes, if what is meant by a 'missing link' is that there is no
Gilberto,
At 09:53 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
Oh and to add to Mark's list of non-Muslim religions which has positive
things to say about Islam is Cao Dai.
Yes, and there are many, many others, including the various branches of the
Radhasoami movement.
I have a collection of links to Cao Dai
In a message dated 12/11/2004 1:14:37 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I should
probably read more about the life of the Bab and Bahaullahbefore saying
much about it. (So I'm factually wrong please point meto where I can get
accurate information)
Balyuzi wrote a
Our friend Gilberto wrote:
There are also scathing condemnations of Muslims as a community
In the Baha'i Writings there are criticisms of Jews who did not recognize Jesus
Christ, and Christians who did not recognize Muhammad, and Muslims who did not
recognize the Bab and Baha'u'llah, and have
Hi, Brent,
At 12:16 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
... in terms of raw numbers, I feel that the Baha'i Faith has touched more
people worldwide than all of those movements combined.
Personally, I am not sure. The Vedanta Society of Swami Vivekananda, which
regards Muhammad as an Avatar, has had a
"Do what thou wilt." IS the sum of the law. It is the exercise of will that
we are granted in this existence. One must, of course, be prepared to face the
consequences of willfullness, but the exercise of will is why God created
us.
Regards,
Scott
Gilberto dear friend
Dear Khazeh
... There are many nice things said about the
Quran, and Muhammad and the imams etc. in the Bahai writings. But they
also say all kinds of nice things about all sorts of things. But its
like killing someone with kindness.
In the passage below it seems like
When you say that it makes me think that on some level you don't
really believe that the Quran is from God
It doesn't make you think anything, Gilberto. It is what you choose to
think.
If you are actually calling the
scripture limited how could that not be a criticism of the scripture
itself?
Oh, I should have mentioned since the issue
of jaw structure was raised, that it is with homo erectus that the jaw begins to
change shape. Most scientists think this had to do with changes in breathing
patterns due to the development of speech.
warmest, Susan
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