Re: Responding with more affection and Sura 81 of the Holy Qur'an

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:28:10 -, Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Janine van rooij Today you wrote: In http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43402.html Khazeh, but where in the Qur'an is the idea of the Administrative Order, i.e. the Universal House of Justice,

Re: COVENANT of the Prophets [Sura 3 verse 81] was [RE: Perennialism]

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
That seems kind of interesting but I'm not sure I see all the connections you are making. Between the Surah of the Cave in the Quran, the Allegory of the Cave in Plato/Socrates and the Light from John's Gosepl. It is interesting to try to see if they can mach up together somehow. I guess its also

Re: Christian Rejection of Islam - was [Responding with affection. Recalling ...

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
I would look at the site in the Perfect Man thread and start there. Then I would do searches under Perfect Man Universal Man or Insan al-Kamil. Peace GIlberto On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:09:54 -0800 (PST), JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G: I think one possible unified way to look at this

chastity

2005-01-11 Thread Bernie/Heather family
Dear friends, I have been reflecting about this subject a little since someone wrote in with a very personal narrative. However, you were spared an earlier response by the facts that I compete for access to the computer with the five other members of our household, and the preparations for my

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:06:36 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is my opinion that the Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women are much more pronounced and all-embracing than the Qur'anic realization of the same principle. If you believe that is the case, what is the

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 2:28:27 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you believe that is the case, what is the reason for it being that way? There are several reasons for it being that way. Name a single Islamic country where women routinely enjoy the same rights to

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:51:22 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/11/2005 2:28:27 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you believe that is the case, what is the reason for it being that way? Scott: There are several reasons for it being that

Women in West/Islam

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
HRH, The Prince of Wales, Islam And The West Islamic countries like Turkey, Egypt, and Syria gave women the vote as early as Europe did its women -- and much earlier than in Switzerland! In those countries women have long enjoyed equal pay, and the opportunity to play a full working role in their

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, Discovery of India Among the unfortunate developments that took place in Inda was the growth of purdah or the seclusion of women. . . In India there had been previously some segregation of the sexes among the aristocracy, as in many other countries and

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 3:47:07 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think this was brought up in this forum before not that long ago butthere are some areas where women in Islam are actually in a betterposition religiously than women in the Bahai faith. The UHJ

Re: Women in West/Islam

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 4:01:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The rightsof Muslim women to property and inheritance, to some protection ifdivorced, and to the conducting of business, The rights of women in Islam to divorce, property and inheritance is hardly equal.

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 4:25:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think its that simple. Even in a Bahai society combat wouldstill occur. Its a part of the idea of collective security. Therestill would be soldiers. But because women are the "givers of life" itis

Re: Baha`i teachings on the equality of men and women

2005-01-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 1/11/2005 4:25:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And to the extent that the Shairah is based on the Quran (from God)and the teachings of Muhammad (saaws) whom you call the Manifestationof God, then what you are really saying is that God is not

Re: Luke 21:33 the Qur'an

2005-01-11 Thread JS
In the Kitab-i-Iqan (pp. 83-84), Baha'u'llah makes a powerful and highly insightful proclamation. He states that if one were to ask a Muslim why the Christian failed to accept the Prophet Muhammad, the Muslim would respond that Muhammad did not fulfill the criteria of the Bible (i.e. verse Luke

Re: Revelation direct from God

2005-01-11 Thread Patti Goebel
As far as the Hands or Counselors having the station of a Minor Prophet, it seems to me there are many differences. For example, Minor Prophets possess stainlessness or immaculacy, but this protection is not given to the Counsellors. The Minor Prophets possess the power of accurate

Re: Past Revelations

2005-01-11 Thread Rich Ater
Gilberto: In general sure. In this case it's different. Gilberto, This, I guess, is none of those areas where we part company. To me it is no different. I understand that it is to you. You consider Islam the last revelation, period. I consider Islam another stop on the path of

Re: Luke 21:33 the Qur'an

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
I'm not sure exactly which point you are trying to make. Some of what is written doesn't necessarily ring true for me, and I'm not certain what other assumptions you might be making. I think there are many different differences of opinion between the typical Christian and the typical Muslim and I

Re: To Gilberto: Who is responsible for putting Adl into practice in Islam? Responding with more affection and Sura 81 of the Holy Qur'an

2005-01-11 Thread louise mchenry
thank you for your response Gilberto. Apparently no human has thought before of the same simple yet to me so powerful solution on how to put the ideal of unity in diversity, and the way to universal peace to become a reality in this world, before Baha'u'llah made it known. What I find divinely

To Gilberto

2005-01-11 Thread louise mchenry
Hi Gilberto, I just read this mail over and I apologise that it is not that clear as I had intended it to be. While writing I got frequently interrupted. English is not my native tongue, hence the gramatical errors! ;o) I hope it is clear enough for you why I think that the Administrative Order

Re: Chastity

2005-01-11 Thread louise mchenry
Dear Sheila, I always value personal experience, when people are willing and able to make themselves vulnerable and relate of their own experiences. Thank you for doing so, giving me therefore a glimpse into your experience. It has helped me a lot to read over and over again what is written

Re: Past Revelations

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
Dear Rich, So we were talking about whether the Bahais are taking the Quran and other sources seriously. You had said that one can take something seriously while still disagreeing with it. On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:59:26 -0800, Rich Ater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto: In general sure. In

Re: Women in West/Islam

2005-01-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:48:16 +0700, Firouz Anaraki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto: HRH, The Prince of Wales, Islam And The West Islamic countries like Turkey, Egypt, and Syria gave women the vote as early as Europe did its women -- and much earlier than in Switzerland! The