Just Government`

2005-02-11 Thread Roger Borseth
Allah'u'Abha When I first saw this thread I didn't think that it referred to obedience to only a just government but to only a duly constituted government or any government were Baha'is reside. So i did a search in ocean and came up with 9 quotes concerning obedience to government. I found the

Re: Just Government`

2005-02-11 Thread Gilberto Simpson
I know a major world religion where there is a similar streak in the sense that fighting against unjust rulers is sometimes discouraged because the conflict would lead to a disruption of social order. But at the same time, it is realized that sometimes the injustice of the tyrant is a greater harm

RE: Just Government`

2005-02-11 Thread Ian Kluge
Dear Roger, You quote Shoghi Effendi as saying that Baha'is must show obedience to a *duly constituted* government, whatsoever that government may be in form. This leaves Baha'is in Germany in 1933 in the following position: (1) They would be bound to uphold Hindenburg's selection of Hitler as

RE: Just Government`

2005-02-11 Thread David Lambert
Roger Borseth wrote: I found the reference to a just government was only the title of a paragraph and not the substance There's a bit more than that. In fact, my search in Ocean turned up more than I could post. Probably most of us have Ocean, and this could turn into an interesting

RE: Just Government` and/or just war

2005-02-11 Thread Iskandar Hai
There are passages in `Abdu'l-Baha's Secret of Divine Civilization from around pages 59-60 to page 71 which, I'd think, are somewhat relevant to this discussion at least indirectly. Also, I'd think, it's worthwhile for us Baha'is to ponder, reflect, and think deeply about the various possible

Sura VII Al Araf v. 33

2005-02-11 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
Can anyone give an explanation as to why Yusuf Ali has translated whatever Arabic words Sale and Rodwell translated as unjust violence as trespasses against truth and reason.? 33. Say: The things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and

Re: Islamic Prophecies and the Baha'i Faith

2005-02-11 Thread Popeyesays
In a message dated 2/11/2005 1:54:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know. I didn't ignore it. I just saw no need to respond. What kindof response did you want? I didn't mean to ask what YOU individuallywould do, but what the Bahai faith says you should do. I said: That I

RE: TV/movies

2005-02-11 Thread David Lambert
David Friedman wrote: Is it okay to watch the Jerry Springer show *** Why on earth would you want to? Dave ;-) __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL