On 5/10/06, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 9 May 2006, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
On 5/9/06, Iskandar Hai, M.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, that kind of democracy is just ludicrous. Keep it to yourself and
enjoy it when Shi`ah kills Sunni in Iraq and Sunnis kill
They that are endued with sincerity and faithfulness should associate with
all the peoples and kindreds of the earth with joy and radiance, inasmuch as
consorting with people hath promoted and will continue to promote unity and
concord, which in turn are conducive to the maintenance of order in
On 5/10/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear gilberto,
I am simply following your arguments and asking questions. I ask the same
questions of scientific persons. I want to know from where or how you think
any of what is instrinsic originates. It must have a source. I want
On 5/10/06, Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard
What ever capacities man may have have been created by God for His purposes.
Gilberto:
Ok. So why do you seem so hesitant and reluctant towards recognizing
the validity is this capacity?
correction:
I meant *in* this capacity
No Gilberto, my friend sees the this issue of jihad in much the same way. He
also sees it as a personal thing, as in fighting against your lower nature.
I:
Oh, I very much like your interpretation, Gilberto. I wish that all Muslim
leaders, thinkers, rulers, jurists, theologians, etc. of the
Hi Gilberto,
No. Nor did Islam spring out of a vacuum, nor did Christianity.
Much love,
janine
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Sent: 08 May 2006 02:25
To: Baha'i Studies
Subject: Re: question about Islam
On 5/5/06,
One can be a lover of God and yet fail to recognise the next Manifestation.
That does not automatically mean one has ceased to be a lover.
The tablet of Ahmad says something like If you deny these verses by what
proof have you believed in God?
However, how much one believes in God is something
If you look at most religions, they started with influencing people about
lying and stealing not being a good idea so the idea came from God
first.
There may have been people beforehand who thought lying and stealing not a
good idea, cause these people were spiritually talented, more
On 5/11/06, Moghaddam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Gilberto,
I was thinking about building a matrix comparing Baha'u'llah's Laws in the
Aqdas with the previous Books. I started with the issue of slavery, since
you've brought this up. Please let me know if there are other verses in the
I'll add this verse in.Why do you feel this approach may bemisleading?BTW, I don't think such fundamental laws as slavery and polygamy were every okay, but the Messengers tried to gradually get rid of the practice over time. Moses didn't allow Jews to take slaves from their own kind, Jesus
On 5/11/06, Moghaddam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, I don't think such fundamental laws as slavery and polygamy were every
okay, but the Messengers tried to gradually get rid of the practice over
time.
I won't comment on polygamy for now. I would treat that one
differently. But I would tend
imho, we are seeing a repetition of a world view argument here that might be
improved by a restatement.
gilberto states:
:I would go back to the original example. Even before Bahaullah freed
his slaves and banned slavery, morally sensitive people were already
thinking that there is something
Gilberto:
Ok. So why do you seem so hesitant and reluctant towards recognizing
the validity is this capacity?
There can be no hesitation in the recognition of what God has created. My
question to you is: If you imply that these intrinsic values are
self-sustaining, i.e. exist without the
I'm suggesting is that the morality (or immorality) of our actions issimilar. God made the world. God made the consequences of our actions.And God gave us minds and hearts capable of moral reasoning.And again, in particular, before Bahaullah declared that slavery wasprohibited, it was
To be very brief, I think a large part of the prophetic message is
just about clearly and persuasively rearticulating certain truths
which are already accessible through moral reasoning.
And another part of the prophetic message is giving people guidance on
things where moral reasoning is
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From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: question about Islam
On 5/11/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
Ok. So why do you seem so hesitant and
What may be controversial Gilberto is that you imply that mankind can
reason its way towards the embracing of certain intrinsic values. I am
asking for the origin of these values. You give me the impression that you
believe that the existence of these values you refer to as intrinsic
either do
On 5/11/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What may be controversial Gilberto is that you imply that mankind can
reason its way towards the embracing of certain intrinsic values. I am
asking for the origin of these values. You give me the impression that you
believe that the
On 5/11/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: question about Islam
On 5/11/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The same way we have the capacity to see the colors God made with the
eyes God gave us.
Your answer seems a bit laconic. Let me see if I understand you. Are you
asserting that intrinsic value exists; therefore it can be seen? If so,
how did the intrinsic value come into existence? Does the
On 5/11/06, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The same way we have the capacity to see the colors God made with the
eyes God gave us.
Your answer seems a bit laconic.
From my perspective, you are making the discussion more difficult than
it needs to be and I'm not sure why. My
That's a great way to describe it.Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be very brief, I think a large part of the prophetic message isjust about clearly and persuasively rearticulating certain truthswhich are already accessible through moral reasoning.And another part of the
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