Translation of quote in French please...

2008-01-03 Thread Sandra C.
Would someone please translate the following quote for me ? Il existe deux facons de vivre ta vie. Tu peux penser que las miracles n'existent pas. Mais tu peux penser que tout est un miracle. It is attributed to Albert Einstein Thank you so much! Sandra The information contained in

Re: Translation of quote in French please...

2008-01-03 Thread Iscander Micael Tinto
Here is a possible translation: There are two ways of living your life. You can think that miracles do not exist. But you can also think that everything is a miracle. Iscander - Original Message - From: Sandra C. To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:43 AM

Monogamy etc

2008-01-03 Thread Brent Poirier Attorney
1. If a person wants to know what I think of his opinion, I'll offer my own views, and my observations about where the opinion coincides with, or veers from, the Baha'i teachings as I understand them. I see that as quite different from being asked to pronounce on whether a Baha'i is permitted

Re: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread Ursus Maximus
Susan wrote: Dear Ron, You'll need to be a bit more specific about which of Sen's opinions you are talking about. My problem with Sen's views largely concerns the fact that he so often ignores the authoritative interpretations of the Guardian (especially if they are conveyed by his

Re: Translation of quote in French please...

2008-01-03 Thread Sen Sonja
There are two ways to live your life - one is as though nothing is a miracle, the other is as though everything is a miracle But I think the French is more elegant Il existe deux facons de vivre ta vie. Tu peux penser que las miracles n'existent pas. Mais tu peux penser que tout est un

Re: Monogamy etc

2008-01-03 Thread Ursus Maximus
Dear Brent, I am not much interested in monogamy vs polygamy and etc. The portion of Sen's message that I am very interested in your opinion about is as follows: First, I don't think that the Writings are the proof of the Bahai Faith, in the way that the Quran is the proof for Islam, the rapid

Re: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread Iskandar Hai
Dear Rich: Actually, `Abdu'l-Baha did not reverse Himself; it's rather straightforward if you follow it rather carefully. Here is the thing: as you know, `Abdu'l-Baha is the Interpreter of Baha'u'llah's mind not just the Writings of Baha'u'llah; so, `Abdu'l-Baha tells Baha'is that Baha'u'llah

Re: from sonja: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread Susan Maneck
the following you wrote is the very opposite of anything I have seen written by Sen or heard him voice, so please provide any evidence written in Sen's own hand to support your claim here. Own hand? All we get are bytes out here in cyberspace. But here are some of his statements in this

RE: from sonja: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread maidenhairleaf
If any of the 'reasons' you gave in the posting were the reasons the House of Justice had or have against Sen's views, I think they would not be afraid of stating this. They have not. Actually, they did. But their statements were misrepresented as saying Baha'is couldn't study theology.

Re: Translation of quote in French please...

2008-01-03 Thread Susan Maneck
I like that. On 1/3/08, Sandra C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would someone please translate the following quote for me ? Il existe deux facons de vivre ta vie. Tu peux penser que las miracles n'existent pas. Mais tu peux penser que tout est un miracle. It is attributed to Albert Einstein

Re: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread Susan Maneck
I remember once suggesting that the Bahai faith had a notion of orthodoxy, or right belief (like certain other religions) using Sen's disenrollment as an example. But then you had argued it wasn't so important Sen's issues wasn't so much a matter of mere belief but had more to do with his

RE: from sonja: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread maidenhairleaf
Susan, thank you...however, i have not changed my position with the additional information that you have provided...i suspect that the House has reasons for addressing that letter to the National Assemblies...reasons that i am not privy too, as i am not a member of either the House of

Questions on the Aqdas

2008-01-03 Thread Sen Sonja
On 2 Jan 2008 at 6:23, Brent Poirier Attorney wrote: However, I have never seen either the Guardian or the House of Justice perform an analysis of the law of the Bab, to determine what the meaning of a law of Baha'u'llah was. This is a good point, but then, there are only a few places where

from sonja: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread Sen Sonja
from sonja: My apologies to maidenleaf and anyone else on this list. My response to Susan was in an attempt to correct a misrepresentation, nothing more. the position that the person writing it has made the correct representation of what the House stated and the other person has misrepresented

Re: Questions on the Aqdas

2008-01-03 Thread Susan Maneck
This is a good point, but then, there are only a few places where Shoghi Effendi closely analyses texts from Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l- Baha to determine what the Bahai law is. The electoral law is one case, certainly, (Bahai Administration, p. 41) Huh? I don't see any analysis of any text by

RE: from sonja: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread maidenhairleaf
sonja you don't have to apologise to me, but rather maybe i should apologise to you all here... i have become overly sensitive lately after having been long abused by many foisting their own pov on me as tho their particular bit of insite is more sacred than Something else.. if Sen is no

Re: Questions on the Aqdas

2008-01-03 Thread Brent Poirier Attorney
Sen, I understood your point to be that since the Bayan permitted bigamy for a childless couple, the Baha'i Faith does also; and that the Master did not ultimately come down on the matter specifying monogamy. I may have misunderstood. I really am all in favor of analysis of the teachings and

Re: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread Ursus Maximus
Dear Susan, You wrote: Dear Ron, You'll need to be a bit more specific about which of Sen's opinions you are talking about. My problem with Sen's views largely concerns the fact that he so often ignores the authoritative interpretations of the Guardian (especially if they are conveyed by

Re: Translation of quote in French please...

2008-01-03 Thread Firouz
Is the following quote from Einstein? How is it in German? regards, Firouz There are two ways to live your life - one is as though nothing is a miracle, the other is as though everything is a miracle But I think the French is more elegant Il existe deux facons de vivre ta vie. Tu peux

Re: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread Rich Ater
Iskandar Hai wrote: Dear Rich: Actually, `Abdu'l-Baha did not reverse Himself; it's rather straightforward if you follow it rather carefully. Here is the thing: as you know, `Abdu'l-Baha is the Interpreter of Baha'u'llah's mind not just the Writings of Baha'u'llah; so, `Abdu'l-Baha tells

Re: Kitab-I-Aqdas and other questions

2008-01-03 Thread Susan Maneck
Susan, none of what you mention in the above is of concern to me, Dear Ron, That's why you need to be more specific. I have since become aware that many Baha'is seem to hold very different views, and instead see it as necessary that the Baha'i Faith eliminate all other religions eventually.