Re: Ablutions

2010-06-19 Thread David Regal
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Susan,   Baha'is perform ablutions before saying their obligatory prayers even if they have just had a bath, but the more thorough going ghusl in Islam is done after sexual relations or after a women's period. This is because semen and menstrual blood render one

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-19 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv What was the point of the concept in Islam, then?  If ghusl was never actually necessary from a hygeine perspective what was the wisdom of it?  Were those people ever ritually impure or not?  I'd like to know how to square this with Islam being a revealed

Untrustworthy/Disobedient?

2010-06-19 Thread David Regal
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I have a question about the following:   Shaykh Abid, known by his pupils as Shaykhuna, was a man of piety and learning. He had been a disciple of both Shaykh Ahmad and Siyyid Kazim. One day, he related, I asked the Báb to recite the opening words of the Qur'án:

Re: Untrustworthy/Disobedient?

2010-06-19 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Okay, I don't get it.  The Bab was a sinless Manifestation and was always a Manifestation. That doesn't mean He wasn't also a child. The Manifestation has two natures, one divine and the other human. The Bab's human nature was clearly that of an impetuous child.

Untrustworthy/Disobedient?

2010-06-19 Thread Sen Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Jun 2010 at 3:17, David Regal wrote: ... what about obedience to parents?  It may have been His uncle, but the uncle counts as a parent since he raised the Bab.  Does being a Manifestation waive certain aspects of accountability?   Regards, David     I

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I would say Wudu/Ghusl are partially physical (including hygenic) and partially spiritual/symbolic. For example, especially in the context of the dark ages when Europeans even believed that frequent bathing was unhealthy, Muslims having a regular practice of washing and

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-19 Thread Sen Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 19 Jun 2010 at 11:13, Gilberto Simpson wrote: ... in the Bahai case, even if you just took a bath, and then choose to pray, you would still do the ablutions again, right? That seems to be more of a ritual concept, no? Not for purists: 18. QUESTION: With

Re: CS Lewis

2010-06-19 Thread Sen Sonja
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 17 Jun 2010 at 10:27, Gilberto Simpson wrote: I think there is more to the novels than just that. In the later novels, the Authority (presumably God) and his forces led by the angel Metatron are the primary enemies. And at one point one of the good guys is

Re: Untrustworthy/Disobedient?

2010-06-19 Thread Matt Haase
The Baha'i Studies Listserv For one thing, the Dawnbreakers is sort of a hagiographical account of the mission of the Bab'. Not everything written in it is meant to be an exact, unbiased account of everything that went down in the Babi Movement. Secondly, even if that story was exactly true I

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-19 Thread haj...@yahoo.com
The Baha'i Studies Listserv But finally, I'm still kind of confused by where the question is coming from. I understand that you might not call it ritual purityor ritual impurity. But if both the Bahai faith and Islam have ablutions which need to be performed before the prayers that would

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-19 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv But if both the Bahai faith and Islam have ablutions which need to be performed before the prayers that would make them equally superstitious to use your conept.. I was not suggesting that the concept of ritual impurity was superstitious.

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-19 Thread Gilberto Simpson
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I was responding to David (but it now occurs to me you may have posted an exchange with someone who wasn't on the list). On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv  But if both the Bahai faith and Islam have

Re: Ablutions

2010-06-19 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I was responding to David (but it now occurs to me you may have posted an exchange with someone who wasn't on the list). No, I was responding to David as well. But it was my post in your trailer. __ You are subscribed

Re: Lesser Prophets

2010-06-19 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv * But as he is the Guardian, he has a “plus” that the House doesn’t have “he often senses a situation or condition without having any detailed knowledge of it”. How do we know the House doesn't have this as well? __