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Even soical conservatives beleive in gender equality, race equality, etc.
The social liberal - social conservative divide tends to be on issues such as
abortion, gay rights, drugs, sex, etc.
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No social conservative I know is for sexism, racism, slavery, segreation, etc.
you imply that you associate with the term social conservative.
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Socially liberal, but morally conservative?
I suspect that socially liberal means feeling strongly about social
justice or social welfare and being ok with
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Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes that
government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider
traditional
values or behaviors. A second meaning of the term social conservatism developed
in the Nordic countries and
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No. that's called fiscal liberalism / economic liberalism.
Look at the Nolan Chart.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart
http://freedomkeys.com/nolancharts.htm
http://www.quiz2d.com/
http://www.freedomkeys.com/whoshould4.htm#quiz
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/21023921/An-Introduction-to-Bahai-Law
Udo Schaefer's eassy on Baha'i law.
Also, he says Baha'i laws will become actual laws.
He also for some reason blames the breadown of morality on individualism.
Collevtism-communitarianism are assumed
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On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
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No social conservative I know is for sexism, racism, slavery, segreation,
etc. you imply that you associate with the term social conservative.
It's a matter of
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They don't oppose the goals as they oppose the means. Christian
Reconstructionists want salvery, but on a race neutral slavery. Rand Paul
believes that the free market rather than gov't should punish discriminators.
This is more of the economic-fiscal scale rather
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No. that's called fiscal liberalism / economic liberalism.
Look at the Nolan Chart.
http://freedomkeys.com/nolancharts.htm
I reccomedn taking several to be sure of positions. Results may vary depending
on questions and terms.
Note sometime social is interchanged
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But isn't the relevant question: what did Susan actually mean when she said:
I would say that we are socially liberal but morally conservative.
Instead of reading through half a dozen sites on politics which may or
may not use terminology the same way, wouldn't it make
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On 29 Nov 2010 at 8:17, Stephen Gray wrote:
Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes that
government has a role in encouraging or enforcing what they consider
traditional values or behaviors. ... Is the Baha'i Faith socially
liberal on
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On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
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They don't oppose the goals as they oppose the means. Christian
Reconstructionists want salvery, but on a race neutral slavery.
You didn't say anything about
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Political terms are a language all their own. You have left (liberalism, new
labour), right (conservatism, paleo consevatism), up (classical liberalism,
libertarianism, anarcho syndicalism), and down (socialism, communism, populism,
authoritarianism,
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/21023921/An-Introduction-to-Bahai-Law
Udo Shaefer implies Baha'i law mandates that it becomes the law of the land. He
is emphatic on sexual laws. He says that the fines on illegal sex even between
consenting heterosexual adults will cause
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Those are the way Americans have been using the terms from the 70s (or even
before) till today.
Some prefer the moralistic (social conservatism) vs tolerant (social
liberalism) dichomotmy. There also the market (economic/fiscal conservatism) vs
social
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Even soical conservatives beleive in gender equality, race equality, etc.
Often they do not.
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No social conservative I know is for sexism, racism, slavery, segreation,
etc. you imply that you associate with the term social conservative.
Come down here to Mississippi, I'll introduce you to some.
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I suspect that socially liberal means feeling strongly about social
justice or social welfare and being ok with collective and/or
government measures to remedy problems in this area (progressive
taxes, social security, food stamps, etc.) while morally
conservative
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Look at the Nolan Chart.
I'm not inclined to let libertarians like David Nolan define my beliefs.
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The terms 'right' and 'left' in political jargon (I've never heard of
up and down) are derived from the seating arrangements of the Estates
General on the eve of the French Revolution. High churchmen and
members of the nobility were seated on the right whereas the
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I believe that in the context of the political diamond, up refers to
progressiveness while down denotes authoritarianism.
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On Nov 29, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote:
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The terms 'right' and
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Udo Shaefer was a prosecuting attorney in Germany for most of his
life. His main objection to Protestantism was that it is too soft on
crime.
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
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So you're saying Susan favors a moralistic social (insert type of govt).
I'll go out on a limb and say oligarchy, maybe republic.
Uh, no. An oligarchy presumes that actions are taken in interest of
the elites. Social liberalism supports the common people.
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No, I meant democracy as rule by the people. Republic as rule by elected
representatvies. Oligarchy is that but with the representatives as a de-facto
ruling class.
http://www.friesian.com/quiz.htm
Your guesstimate quiz results.
Examples of societeis scores:
Athens
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It is only those who do not understand our people, who believe our national
life
is entirely absorbed by material motives. We make no concealment of the fact
that we want wealth, but there are many other things we want much more. We want
peace and honor, and that
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Are you more comfortable in the liberal quadrant or the authoritarian one?
http://quiz2d.com/quiz/Radical_Liberal.php
http://quiz2d.com/quiz/Economic_Liberal.php
http://quiz2d.com/quiz/Authoritarian.php
http://quiz2d.com/quiz/Totalitarian.php
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On 29 Nov 2010 at 9:46, Stephen Gray wrote:
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/21023921/An-Introduction-to-Bahai-Law
Udo Shaefer implies Baha'i law mandates that it becomes the law of the
land.
I think you are misreading him. He says the laws
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I recently participated in a discussion about Muhammad.
One person in the discussion stated over and over that
Muhammad was immoral because he married a girl aged 6,
and had intimate relations with her when she was only 9.
This particular person in the discussion was
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One start is to gather the various traditions, which disagree about
the age of Aisha when she was married.
I discuss two of them on my blog here:
http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/email-archive/the-age-of-aisha/
but I know there are others. These two happen to come
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http://misconceptions-about-islam.com/
This is a good defense of Islam website.
http://misconceptions-about-islam.com/muhammad-married-young-girl.htm
This is the article about Aisha/Ayesha.
http://www.quranicteachings.co.uk/ayeshas-age.htm
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Jahilliyya
Before Revelation
First Revelation
610 CE
Abu Baker accepts
Islam
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It is only those who do not understand our people, who believe our national
life is entirely absorbed by material motives. We make no concealment of the
fact that we want wealth, but there are many other things we want much more.
We want peace and honor, and that
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Are you referring to his Presidency, before, or after? He said that quote for
the Barry Golwater nomination.
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No, I meant democracy as rule by the people. Republic as rule by elected
representatvies. Oligarchy is that but with the representatives as a de-facto
ruling class.
Your definition of oligarchy makes no sense to me, but certainly our
country is a Republic and not
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I recently participated in a discussion about Muhammad.
One person in the discussion stated over and over that
Muhammad was immoral because he married a girl aged 6,
and had intimate relations with her when she was only 9.
I would agree that Stephen's chronology
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The most thoughtful discussion I've seen on the topic is:
The Young Marriage of cAishah: Mother of the Believers by Abû Imân
cAbd ar-Rahmân Robert Squires
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
The article makes a number of points and I'd encourage
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The article makes a number of points and I'd encourage you to read it.
The big point is that early marriages were normal for much of
pre-modern history and that even enemies and critics of Islam in the
past were unfazed by the marriage of Muhammad (saaws) and Aishah
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Oligarchy means rule by gruop. It's like a monarchy, but several rulers instead
of one. It's means rule by oligarchs regardless of if they are elist or
non-elist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy
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Oligarchy means rule by gruop. It's like a monarchy, but several rulers
instead of one. It's means rule by oligarchs regardless of if they are
elist
or non-elist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy
Uh, that's not what wiki says:
The oligarchy (from Greek
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Military dictatorship/junta can be an example of non-elist oligarchy
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It seems like you are arguing about things which really aren't hard
and fast issues. On the one hand, if you have a small group of people
in society who have all or most of the political power (i.e. an
oligarchy) then you could definitely argue that they are, by
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I've heard that in some hadiths surah 36 is reffered to as the heart of the
Quran. Any reason why? What is this particular surah's message?
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Reference, please.
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Maimonides held that 3 was the permissible marriage age.
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I found the following blog which gives references
http://rabbimichaelsamuel.com/wisdom/jewish-sexual-ethics/
But the emphasis seems to be in an odd place. I mean, it seems to be
saying that sex doesn't even count as sex before 3. (If she is
younger than that, (less
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The clearest statement I could find is in the Talmud
A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by
coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she
becomes his.
The larger context is:
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Reference, please.
. Maimonides did not support child marriages, he merely acknowledged
they were permissible according to the Talmud. I can'f find an
electronic version of his statement, but here's a website that speaks
of it:
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Now that I think about it, I wonder if the cutoff is age three here
because of the earlier story of Rebecca and Isaac?
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Now that I think about it, I wonder if the cutoff is age three here
because of the earlier story of Rebecca and Isaac?
I was thinking the same thing. We know some Muslims justify marrying
young girls on the basis of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha.
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