In a message dated 12/11/2004 3:55:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really!?!? I don't understand? What is the appeal? Besides, I've
evenheard from some followers of Thelema that in some ways the
movementhas already been "corrupted" to Crowleanity.
Mark was into
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:56:50 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/11/2004 3:55:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Really!?!? I don't understand? What is the appeal? Besides, I've even
heard from some followers of Thelema that in some
Gilberto,
One more point.
At 03:55 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
Really!?!? I don't understand? What is the appeal? Besides, I've even heard
from some followers of Thelema that in some ways the movement has already
been corrupted to Crowleanity.
There are many Thelemite groups. The largest is
You don't think that Falwell, Robertson, and F. Graham represent the *new*
mainsteam Protestantism?
Dear Mark,
Most Protestants don't live in the US, however it is the evangelical wings
that are growing world wide as well, so maybe you are right.
warmest, Susan
Susan,
At 05:45 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
Mainstream? God help us!
You don't think that Falwell, Robertson, and F. Graham represent the *new*
mainsteam Protestantism? That concept has been discussed in the religious
studies literature, including the sociology of religion, for quite some time,
"Do what thou wilt." IS the sum of the law. It is the exercise of will that
we are granted in this existence. One must, of course, be prepared to face the
consequences of willfullness, but the exercise of will is why God created
us.
Regards,
Scott
Hello James adn thank you for your comments,
James Mock wrote:
What is a known law? If you had asked people 600 years ago, they would
have proven to you that the world is flat.
We cannot accept things known today as scientific fact.
. James, what you say is certainly ture in some instances.
In a message dated 12/10/2004 11:27:33 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is but
one power which heals -- that is God. The state or condition through which
the healing takes place is the confidence of the heart. By some this state
is reached through pills,
Ronald Stephens:
But the theory of the ether was disproven by a specific scientific
experiment, the Michelson-Morley experiment. It is virtually impossible that
this could be overturned.
Firouz:
Just a few months ago I read in some American Science Journal that the
theory of ether could be
The last three paragraphs of a lecture by A. Einstein, 1920:
IMO, a careful reading of `Abdu'l-Baha's comments on ether will show that He
used it as a metaphor for spirit. He was a storyteller. If He were alive today,
He might instead speak of bits and bytes.
Mark A. Foster *
even where they contradict known laws of nature and common sense
What is a known law? If you had asked people 600 years ago, they would
have proven to you that the world is flat.
We cannot accept things known today as scientific fact.
Mathematicians, astronomers, chemical scientists
Ron wrote:
Do you see my point?
Your point is understood. This non-scientific mind, however, would assert
that nothing is final.
There is but one power which heals -- that is God. The state or condition
through which the healing takes place is the confidence of the heart. By
some this state
In a message dated 12/10/04 9:27:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is but one power which heals -- that is God. The state or condition
through which the healing takes place is the confidence of the heart. By
some this state is reached through pills, powders, and
James Mock wrote:
There is but one power which heals -- that is God. The state or condition
through which the healing takes place is the confidence of the heart. By
some this state is reached through pills, powders, and physicians. By others
through hygiene, fasting, and prayer. By others
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:44:04 -0600, Mark Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IMO, the spiritual truth which never changes is the Covenant, not any
particular set of doctrines.
But isn't there an underlying constant even if specific formulations
might change? I think John Hick tries to unify the
First a quote:
Papal infallibility and biblical inerrancy are the two ecclesiastical
versions of this human idolatry. Both papal infallibility and biblical
inerrancy require widespread and unchallenged ignorance to sustain their claims
to power. Both are doomed as viable alternatives for
Hi, Ron,
At 06:08 PM 12/9/2004, you wrote:
Mark, your view that texts have no meaning seems extreme. It would also seem
to rule out the possibility of communication, woudln't it? Yet humans do
communicate. Don' t they?
As I see it, we discover meaning *through* (not in) texts. The tools for
What do you think about this prophecy of Daniel, sure it is no a coincidence,all dates 1953,57,60,63 are relevant for the Cause.
A quote from the House posted on: http://bahai-library.com/uhj/beckwith.daniel.prophecy.html
- The prophecy of Daniel about the 1,335 days is not fulfilled by just one
Mark wrote:
I am saying that texts, irrespective of whether we know the language, have
no meaning.
Mark, the Word has unlimited meaning
Know assuredly that just as thou firmly believest that the Word of God,
exalted be His glory, endureth for ever, thou must, likewise, believe with
undoubting
Hi, James,
At 09:53 AM 12/8/2004, you wrote:
Mark, the Word has unlimited meaning
To my understanding, the Word can be used to refer either to divine Revelation
from the Prophet or to the Sacred Texts which are produced from that
Revelation. The meanings of Revelation (the Word) are not in the
Hi, Gilberto,
I wrote:
texts, including those containing prophecies, have no inherent meaning.
The meanings are solely in the minds of the writer and the interpreter.
You replied:
This may seem like a silly question then but doesn't that perspective render
the whole idea of fulfilling
Hi, Richard,
At 04:13 PM 12/8/2004, you wrote:
Mark, your explanation may shed some light on the operation of the following
verse.
He it is who hath sent down to thee the Book. Some of its signs are of
themselves perspicuous; - these are the basis of the Book - and others are
figurative. But
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:44:10 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, Gilberto,
Hello Mark
Mark:
texts, including those containing prophecies, have no inherent meaning.
The meanings are solely in the minds of the writer and the
interpreter.
Gilberto:
This may seem like a
Richard,
At 05:46 PM 12/8/2004, you wrote:
Which in turn may be one of the reasons why in the Ruhi classes the use of
the dictionary is discouraged.
That strikes me as strange (to say the least). I wonder how many people pay
attention to it.
Well, I would rather not get into a discussion of
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:31:15 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark:
The words have no meaning, but the Prophets do. Since Mahdi has been
interpreted as a reference to the Bab, Baha'is would accept Him as such
based on the authority of the eisegete.
Gilberto:
But then what
Allah'u'Abha Brent,
Below is interesting. Where did you learn this fact about "beasts" in prophecy. It makes sense.
Sandy Pauer
Fort Collins, CO
As far as WWI being predicted in Daniel, I suppose that the references to the various "beasts" could well refer to the countries in that war;
http://bahai-library.com/?file=uhj_interpretation_biblical_verses.html
I found this quote, regards, Hasan
"You have asked about the meaning of the "four beasts" referred to in Revelations, Ch. 4. Abdu'l-Bahá in a Tablet has given an explanation for the reference to the "beast" mentioned in
In a message dated 12/7/2004 2:16:42 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Master
reportedly told a pilgrim in 1912 that when he saw Adrianople encircled by
armies, that would be a sign that war is near. I understood this to mean
that because Baha'u'llah was in
Hi Mark,
texts, including those containing prophecies, have no inherent meaning. The meanings are solely in the minds of the writer and the interpreter.
Mark, Do you say this because texts are nothing more than lines on
paper, or pixels on a screen? If I saw a Chinese text, it would have
no
Hi, Tim,
I wrote:
texts, including those containing prophecies, have no inherent meaning. The
meanings are solely in the minds of the writer and the interpreter.
You asked:
Do you say this because texts are nothing more than lines on paper, or pixels
on a screen? If I saw a Chinese text, it
Dear Friends,
On page 23 in 'Abdul-Baha's Tablets of the Divine Plan, 'Abdul-Baha says,I
said plainly that the continent of Europe had become like unto an arsenal and
its conflagration was dependent upon one spark, and that in the coming years,
or within two years, all that which is recorded
Larry,
At 08:25 AM 12/6/2004, you wrote:
There is probably a simple explanation for this but it is escaping me.
IMO, the most basic explanation is that prophecies do not mean anything.
`Abdu'l-Baha meant one thing in one place and something else in another place.
His different interpretations
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