On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:47:12 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
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The French translation is very similar to a Passage from the Writings which
is recorded in the Promised Day is Come and I will append that so that you
will see dear Gilberto most clearly the difference [ie the
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:43:56 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
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Gilberto,
At 07:54 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
Gilberto:
So what is the difference you are making between a religion being dead
and the divine intentionality for a particular religion being at an end?
Mark:
I
Gilberto,
At 06:53 AM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
Why would you bother to thank Mark for his words and call them well said.
When everything else you wrote contradicts it?
IMO, the passages quoted by Dr. Khazeh Fananapazir refer to issues of
contextualization, not to the power of the Revelation. In
Dear Gilberto
In a message
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m42611.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu/msg01649.html
you write in relation to two passages below that it appears as if Dr Mark
Foster's point contradicts the Utterance of the Sacred Iqan and you were
Gilberto:
**Yes. But I think we've gone over this. Yes, Bahá'ís say the Quran is the
word of God. Yes Bahá'ís say Muhammad is a Manifestation. Yes, Bahá'ís even
say that the imams are similar to the manifestations in certain respects.
But Bahá'ís also say that the leaders of the Muslims (among
Gilberto,
At 04:35 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
On the other hand, the passage you quote from the writings say that every
community has fallen into the grasp of foolish leaders.
IMO, He refers to those leaders as foolish because they are out of touch with
the Will of God for their age.
With
Dear Khazeh,
Could you provide that long French passage in English? Or maybe
provide a reference I could look up online?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:02:23 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
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Gilberto:
**Yes. But I think we've gone over this. Yes, Bahá'ís say the Quran is the
word
Dear Khazeh,
Could you provide that long French passage in English? Or maybe
provide a reference I could look up online?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:02:23 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
**Yes. But I think we've gone over this. Yes, Bahá'ís say the Quran is the
word
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:41:21 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain
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Some time ago you wrote: And I thought there was a passage
actually in the writings saying that previous religions (at
least Islam) was intended to be universal but the blamed the
behavior of the followers.
At 3:58 PM -0500 12/19/04, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:41:21 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some time ago you wrote: And I thought there was a passage
actually in the writings saying that previous religions (at
least Islam) was intended to be universal
I think you're thinking of as statement of the Bab, but I don't remember
enough to search for it.
In the Bayan the Bab says that every religion of the past was fit to become
universal. The only reason why they failed to attain that mark was the
incompetence of their followers. He then
YES That's the quote I was thinking of. It's weird though. I
had a really hard time trying to find it on the true seeker website.
So how universal is universal? Would it apply to all times? All
places? If we still have the Quran then couldn't Islam continue to be
universal?
Peace
Gilberto,
At 06:22 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
So how universal is universal? Would it apply to all times? All places?
If we still have the Quran then couldn't Islam continue to be universal?
My understanding is that each divine Revelation was globally applicable to to
human requirements for a
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:31:21 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 06:22 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
So how universal is universal? Would it apply to all times? All places?
If we still have the Quran then couldn't Islam continue to be universal?
Mark:
My understanding
Gilberto,
At 06:35 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
So when if the Bab said each religion of the past was fit to be universal,
you are taking universal in terms of space, but not in terms of being valid
for all times?
IMO, it depends on how you define valid for all times. IMO, a Revelation is
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:53:14 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. A Revelation doesn't lose its validity or its influence because of
the appearance of a new Messenger.
IMO, some Baha'is have taken `Abdu'l-Baha's seasonal metaphor a bit too
far. In the spiritual winter of a
Gilberto,
At 07:54 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
So what is the difference you are making between a religion being dead and
the divine intentionality for a particular religion being at an end?
I would never be so presumptuous to say that a divinely revealed religion, or
branch of that religion,
Gilberto,
At 07:54 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
So what is the difference you are making between a religion being dead
and the divine intentionality for a particular religion being at an end?
I would never be so presumptuous to say that a divinely revealed religion,
or branch of that religion,
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