Dear Brent,,
Allah'uBah
I prya youa re well.. Thanks for this note and the lovley paper about the Bible
and the Iqan
i willstart to reread it tonight
O Brent, adear BAhai friend of mine
MArtha MAny Gray Horses formerly of Alb,, is now in Tucson
She has been work at a college of th etOhana
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Him; and that is why the Bible contains no such reference. These are the
appearances of Christ after His resurrection -- all to believers, which I
copied from a study Bible:
To Mary Magdalene (Matthew 16:9, John 20:11-18);
To other women believers (Matthew 28:9-10);
To two disciples
So what happened when someone says they saw a vision? Is it a
God-induced hallucination only visible to one person? Is it an
appearance visible to many people? What about these resurrection
experiences? Physical?
-G
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So what happened when someone says they saw a vision? Is it a
God-induced hallucination only visible to one person? Is it an
appearance visible to many people? What about these resurrection
experiences? Physical?
Dear Gilberto,
I'm suggesting we don't really know. When Muhammad saw Jabreel
Dear Brent,
I don't think that what the Baha'i Writings say about the Resurrection
necessitate visionary experiences of the Resurrected Christ, but I
don't think they preclude them either. My conclusions in this regard
are based primarily on the historical evidence.
warmest, Susan
Hi Gilberto,So what happened when someone says they "saw a vision"? Is it aGod-induced hallucination only visible to one person? Is it anappearance visible to many people? I don't think it's necessary or useful for others to attempt to define what really happened when someone says
why don't the resurrection narratives have the disciples going deaf and blind
after Jesus died and then receiving sight and hearing? Shouldn't there be some
consistency? Also, why aren't there any stories of the disciples being deaf
and blind initially?
I suggest that these are the verses
This risen Christ issue was
very big to him, I suppose in contrast to images of
Catholic crucufixes.
Dear Karen,
That's kind of a one-upsman thing Protestants sometimes use against
the Catholics. They claim because they (Protestants) wear empty
crucifixes it represents the resurrection as
Yes Susan, I am in agreement that visions are not
accepted as physical matter. Was it not the
misinterpreted seeing of Him that was understood to
be a physical body resurrected, rather than the
spiritual vision of spiritual matter?
warmly,
karen
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There's another issue. 'Abdu'l-Baha refers to alleged miracles in the Gospels, saying that receiving sight and hearing referred to a spiritual awakening. If the writers used this to refer to a spiritual awakening as 'Abdu'l-Baha says then why don't the resurrection narratives have the
On 10/11/06, David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's another issue. 'Abdu'l-Baha refers to alleged miracles in the
Gospels, saying that receiving sight and hearing referred to a spiritual
awakening. If the writers used this to refer to a spiritual awakening as
'Abdu'l-Baha says then
Quite right.ScottGilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/06, David Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: There's another issue. 'Abdu'l-Baha refers to alleged miracles in the Gospels, saying that receiving sight and hearing referred to a spiritual awakening. If the writers used this
Metaphor and analogy are great illuminators. They bring understanding in great gulps of light. However, when one examines them too closely, in most cases the bulb burns out.Sorry for the metaphor.Regards, ScottDavid Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's another issue.
Dear David,
Although Abdu'l-Baha does not say so explicitly, my reading of the
early Christian sources, combined with Abdu'l-Baha's interpretation
lead me to think that there were 'ressurrection' appearances of Jesus
after the crucifixtion. They just weren't physical.
warmest, Susan
Dear Susan and David,
I recently was presented with this topic while on a
boyscout campout a fellow parent inquired what church
I went to. His interest in the Bahai Faith soon waned
when it became clear that I was not interested in
leaving my church to join his where we worship a
risen Christ.
I
One issue of major importance for Baha'is with relation to Christians is the resurrection of Jesus. The resurrection is connected to the ascension and return of Christ. If there was a bodily resurrection then there was a bodily ascension and the return of Christ would be the very same person
Well, Abdu'l Baha says there was no physical resurrection. In my mind the Apostles of Christ may well have seen Christ amongst them as a spiritual form beyond their comprehension.What ever else happened during that time, and however the Spirit of Christ amongst them is represented, the REAL
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David Friedman
To: Baha'i Studies
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Subject: Resurrection of Christ
One issue of major importance for Baha'is with relation to
Christians is the resurrection of Jesus. The resurr
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