Re: Luck and salvation

2007-01-27 Thread Sandra C.
Dear Barbara, Perhaps this is the quote you are thinking of... Sandra He should forgive the sinful, and never despise his low estate, for none knoweth what his own end shall be. How often hath a sinner attained, at the hour of death, to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal

Re: Luck and salvation

2007-01-25 Thread Scott Saylors
This goes back to the Oedipian Chorus saying solemnly Count no man lucky until he is dead. The Bab says more productively and usefully: WORSHIP thou God in such wise that if thy worship lead thee to the fire, no alteration in thine adoration would be produced, and so likewise if thy

Re: Luck and salvation

2007-01-25 Thread Barbara Clements
I don't know where I picked it up, but I recall reading/hearing that at the moment of death a person makes a choice to turn toward God or away from God. It doesn't matter how they lived their life, at that moment a choice is made. So someone who lived a life of service to the Faith can turn

Re: Luck and salvation

2007-01-25 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
How do you define luck? Richard. - Original Message - From: David Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am unable to refute the idea that luck can be involved in one's salvation. The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County

Luck and salvation

2007-01-24 Thread David Friedman
I am unable to refute the idea that luck can be involved in one's salvation. If luck can be involved then the importance of salvation would be diminished and it would raise the question of fairness. We are told in the Writings that how we end our life determines our salvation when we get

Re: Luck and salvation

2007-01-24 Thread smaneck
Dear David, Your question reminds me of the old Mutazalite/Asharite [Free will vs. Predestination] debate. There is a story associated with al-Asharite's breaking away from his Mutazalite teacher. You can read it hear: al-Ashari posed to his teacher the cases of three brothers whose fates