Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2023-03-20

2023-04-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, all, Am 01.04.23 um 01:19 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, Cor & Paolo, please take any conversations about specific interpretations of statutes and other legal foundation frameworks to the internal list (Cc-ed). This is a matter for our members to discuss, not the general

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2023-03-20

2023-03-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, all, Am 31.03.23 um 16:35 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Andreas, all, Andreas Mantke wrote on 30/03/2023 14:28: Am 29.03.23 um 15:58 schrieb Cor Nouws: A personal interest is not a conflict of interest which in general is not a reason to abstain from discussing topics. sorry to be very

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2023-03-20

2023-03-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, all, Am 30.03.23 um 19:42 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, dear list, Andreas Mantke wrote: Am 29.03.23 um 15:58 schrieb Cor Nouws: A personal interest is not a conflict of interest which in general is not a reason to abstain from discussing topics. sorry to be very clear

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2023-03-20

2023-03-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, all, Am 29.03.23 um 15:58 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 29/03/2023 12:04: 7. Status Report, Discuss: TDF 2023 Budget Planning (tdf-board, 5 mins) Thorsten and Gabor declared a personal interest on the above topics (see above). I ask if they both attended

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2023-03-20

2023-03-29 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 24.03.23 um 09:55 schrieb Florian Effenberger: The Document Foundation Board of Directors Meeting 2023-03-20 Meeting Minutes Date: 2023-03-20 Location: Jitsi Session chair: Thorsten Behrens Keeper of the minutes: Stephan Ficht In the meeting:    Board Members - Thorsten, Cor,

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2023-03-20

2023-03-28 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 24.03.23 um 09:55 schrieb Florian Effenberger: The Document Foundation Board of Directors Meeting 2023-03-20 Meeting Minutes Date: 2023-03-20 Location: Jitsi Session chair: Thorsten Behrens Keeper of the minutes: Stephan Ficht In the meeting:    Board Members - Thorsten, Cor,

Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)

2023-03-22 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Heiko, all, Am 22.03.23 um 10:57 schrieb Heiko Tietze: On 22.03.23 10:44, Andreas Mantke wrote: what is the reason for this biting tone of your reply? Thorsten's reply is not biting, neither I read Cor's question as aggressive why you ask. The answer with keeping the show running

Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)

2023-03-22 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, all, what is the reason for this biting tone of your reply? Am 21.03.23 um 22:35 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, dear list. Andreas Mantke wrote: I sense it very disturbing that the board put this topic on the agenda and the chairman was not able to answer an easy

Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)

2023-03-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 16.03.23 um 23:27 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear community, find below the agenda for our TDF board meeting with a public part, and followed by a private part on Monday, March 20 at 1800 Berlin time at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard For time zone conversion, see

Questions from the community (was Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, March 20th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1))

2023-03-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, board, all, Am 16.03.23 um 23:27 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear community, find below the agenda for our TDF board meeting with a public part, and followed by a private part on Monday, March 20 at 1800 Berlin time at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard For time zone

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Budget request for marketing, community and events

2023-03-16 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Board, all, Am 15.03.23 um 08:25 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, the following decision, which was taken in private on 2023-03-13, is now made public in accordance with our statutes. (...) VOTE: I'd like to ask for pre-approval of the sums from the budget draft, which is: Marketing:

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Budget request for marketing, community and events

2023-03-15 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, Board, all, Am 15.03.23 um 16:04 schrieb Andreas Mantke: Hi Cor, Board, all, Am 15.03.23 um 15:19 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 15/03/2023 15:01: would be interesting to know for which FOSDEM the budget item is decided on, for the one: - in 2023

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Budget request for marketing, community and events

2023-03-15 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, Board, all, Am 15.03.23 um 15:19 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 15/03/2023 15:01: would be interesting to know for which FOSDEM the budget item is decided on, for the one: - in 2023? or - in 2024? This is for the 2023 budget, If I remember correctly

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Budget request for marketing, community and events

2023-03-15 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Board, all, Am 15.03.23 um 08:25 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, the following decision, which was taken in private on 2023-03-13, is now made public in accordance with our statutes. Florian Effenberger wrote on 09.03.23 at 15:22: VOTE: I'd like to ask for pre-approval of the sums

[board-discuss] Propose And Not Deliver (was: Re: Some Questions On Decision Making)

2023-02-08 Thread Andreas Mantke
. It looks as if they are not willing or able to deliver. It shouldn't be difficult to answer my questions and deliver the information (the data should have been compiled by the board before the decision making). Regards, Andreas Am 25.01.23 um 19:32 schrieb Andreas Mantke: Hi Thorsten, all, Am

Re: Some Questions On Decision Making (was: Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Re: [Vote] hiring external communication expert)

2023-01-25 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, all, Am 21.01.23 um 14:07 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, all, Andreas Mantke wrote: If you are not able to share the basics and answer the questions, you are not able to fulfill your function. I think Cor just offered to publish more details. Can we please wait

Re: Some Questions On Decision Making (was: Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Re: [Vote] hiring external communication expert)

2023-01-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
, public. And for the rest you're asking too much details on board work IMO. Cheers, Cor Andreas Mantke wrote on 20/01/2023 21:56: Hi Cor, if there is a clear description of the task it shouldn't be an issue to make that public at least to the TDF members. And it would also be of interest which

Re: Some Questions On Decision Making (was: Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Re: [Vote] hiring external communication expert)

2023-01-20 Thread Andreas Mantke
. For me it is not needed to use 'I think the TDF members want to know'. It is OK if you are interested. Andreas Mantke wrote on 20/01/2023 20:23: Hi all, if I look at the price tag of this decision, I' curious if there had been a complete task description done in writing before the decision. And I

Some Questions On Decision Making (was: Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Re: [Vote] hiring external communication expert)

2023-01-20 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, if I look at the price tag of this decision, I' curious if there had been a complete task description done in writing before the decision. And I also think the community and especially the TDF members want to know if there had been a tender with the task description in front of the

Re: [board-discuss] Re: Off-topic character assassinations - do we really need moderation again?

2022-12-05 Thread Andreas Mantke
Andreas Mantke: Hi Thorsten, Daniel, hi all, Thorsten could you please explain in detail the invitation to the meeting on July, 8th? Who has been in the meeting, and by which medium and during which time frame? Did you document the meeting? Who signed that document? Was the document sent to All

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-05 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, because there are three directors with a CoI (as explained already) the three votes of this directors a null. Thus there are only two valid approvals and two abstain. Because at least four members (those without a CoI) participated the majority of votes is 3. Because only two valid

Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 02.12.22 um 12:08 schrieb Cor Nouws: + 1 :) this vote was done by the member of the sales team of a software company and who have an declared interest to influence the direction of the LibreOffice development by the in-house developers. The in-house developers will remove a lot

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [board-discuss] [VOTE] New proposal for hiring in-house developers.

2022-12-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 02.12.22 um 13:51 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear all, sophi wrote: Le 02/12/2022 à 12:10, Michael Stahl a écrit : how is this different from TDF employees Cloph, Heiko, Hossein, Ilmari, Olivier, Stéphane, Sophie, and Xisco, who already consult weekly with the ESC? Maybe this is

Re: [board-discuss] Re: Off-topic character assassinations - do we really need moderation again?

2022-11-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, Daniel, hi all, Thorsten could you please explain in detail the invitation to the meeting on July, 8th? Who has been in the meeting, and by which medium and during which time frame? Did you document the meeting? Who signed that document? Was the document sent to All members of

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, hi all, Am 30.11.22 um 14:20 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 28/11/2022 17:19: if a community member points on the last board meeting minutes and tell you that it could not read any objective reasons (from you) why the inhouse-dev proposal 3.1 not fit

[board-discuss] It's ENOUGH!: Continued Nuisance with private emails

2022-11-29 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, I stated already twice on this list that I find this form of cautionary private emails pestering and not appropriate for an open Free Software project. I didn't published the name of the sender because I thought, he got the message and would change his behavior. But my assumption proofed

Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store

2022-11-28 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, it's sad to see that the board is not willing or able to report to the TDF members (not even internal) on the Apple App Store numbers from the last years. The board shows not even the will to give an interim message. This shows the lack of respect face to face with the members.

Re: [board-discuss] fast ahead soon... Re: [VOTE] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-28 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor, hi all, if a community member points on the last board meeting minutes and tell you that it could not read any objective reasons (from you) why the inhouse-dev proposal 3.1 not fit the purpose, it is really inappropriate and impertinent to point in the answer only on this meeting

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-27 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, hi all, Am 27.11.22 um 13:00 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Stephan, all, Stephan Ficht wrote: (...) Furthermore, I think that a good relationship with everyone is valuable and helpful for all parts of the community and for the common projects. I fully support that notion. That

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Cor , hi all, On 26.11.22 15:25, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 25/11/2022 14:57: All directors also expressed their support for the proposal which, as I'm sure I did not. I mentioned items that make it questionable and definitely not fit to help our community with

Re: [board-discuss] [DISCUSS] Approve in-house developers proposal v.3.1

2022-11-26 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Kendy, hi all, Am 25.11.22 um 18:17 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi all, I have unsubscribed from this mailing list, but it was brought to my attention that Paolo claims that I have signed off the latest version of the Developers proposal. That is not true. That version is not balanced, and

Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store

2022-11-25 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi, Am 25.11.22 um 14:02 schrieb Michael Meeks: On 23/11/2022 17:22, Andreas Mantke wrote: You try to mislead the audience a bit here. I see no evidence of that from Thorsten. It's not a 'donor' but a business entity from the eco system. And it is not a donation but a business deal

[board-discuss] Again Nuisance With Private Emails

2022-11-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, I want to make public that I got again bothered by email in private, this time with the strong advise what I had not to discuss in public. This time the author added Florian Effenberger in CC. This email was send from the same person yesterday in the evening as just one month ago. I

Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store

2022-11-23 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Alex, Am 22.11.22 um 22:41 schrieb Alexander Thurgood: Hi Andreas, Perhaps I'm missing something, but why would the board have these figures, unless the private company distributing the product agreed to provide them, or was under some contractual obligation to do so? sorry but it's a bit

Re: [board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store

2022-11-23 Thread Andreas Mantke
Good evening Thorsten, hi all, Am 22.11.22 um 21:22 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Good evening Andreas, hi all, Andreas Mantke wrote: I asked the board more than three weeks ago, to provide to TDF members the numbers from the Apple app store for the last years. The current numbers were just

[board-discuss] Report about numbers from Apple App Store

2022-11-22 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, I asked the board more than three weeks ago, to provide to TDF members the numbers from the Apple app store for the last years. But I and the TDF members got no answer from the board about this numbers although I reminded the board multiple times. Although I asked for at least an

Re: [board-discuss] Apple app store numbers

2022-11-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Florian, Board, Am 21.11.22 um 08:57 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, on behalf of the board, I'll share the first numbers for the Apple app store. We'll in parallel look for the details on the Microsoft app store, and will provide them soon as well. For the future, the idea is to share

Re: Progress on Inhouse-Developer Proposal? (was Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, November 14th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1))

2022-11-19 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 18.11.22 um 11:30 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: (...) (I won't comment much on the perceived attempt of delaying this proposal further as my comments on a similar thread led to my "conviction" for a CoC offence by the board. As I complained about the fact that the case has been handled by

Re: Progress on Inhouse-Developer Proposal? (was Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, November 14th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1))

2022-11-19 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, hi all, Am 18.11.22 um 11:31 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi all, Andreas Mantke wrote: If the majority of the board acts in this way further, TDF inhouse developers will not be hired during its tenure of office. There's no need for that level of negativity. Rest assured

Re: Progress on Inhouse-Developer Proposal? (was Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, November 14th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1))

2022-11-18 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, hi all, Am 18.11.22 um 10:27 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, all, Andreas Mantke wrote: I'd like to ask if there were progress to reach a final version and vote on this item during the meeting. The minutes for the Monday meeting have just been posted, there was no vote

Progress on Inhouse-Developer Proposal? (was Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, November 14th, 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1))

2022-11-16 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi directors, hi all, Am 11.11.22 um 08:33 schrieb Stephan Ficht: (...) ## AGENDA: ### Public Part (...) 2. Status Report, Discuss: Merged developer proposal (tdf-board, kendy, Paolo Vecchi, 5 mins) * update on merged proposal * further discussions, if needed * otherwise,

Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 31st at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)

2022-10-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Michael, all, Am 31.10.22 um 12:07 schrieb Michael Stahl: hi Andreas, On 29.10.22 22:07, Andreas Mantke wrote: In additon: I reviewed the whole process about sending a project to the attic again. The proposal for the process seemed to neutral text, but it was only written and voted

Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 31st at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)

2022-10-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi, Am 31.10.22 um 01:18 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi, Andreas Mantke wrote on 29/10/2022 22:07: 7. Status Report, Discuss: Atticization of Online (tdf-board, 10 mins) ... because there are four board members with a direct link to the product Collabora Online (staff of Collabora Productivity

Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 31st at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)

2022-10-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, hi Simon, and also sorry for another post to correct misleading statements. Am 30.10.22 um 18:51 schrieb Simon Phipps: Hi Andreas, (and sorry for a second post here today all) On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 12:40 PM Andreas Mantke wrote: sorry for beeing a bit undiplomatic

Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 31st at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)

2022-10-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, hi Simon, Am 30.10.22 um 13:16 schrieb Simon Phipps: (...) If you have a look into the statutes of TDF you'll find out  that it is necessary that at least the half of the board could attend the meeting. The half of the board are four members. Thus the board is not

Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 31st at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+1)

2022-10-29 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 28.10.22 um 17:05 schrieb Stephan Ficht: Dear Community, find below the agenda for our TDF board meeting with a public part, and followed by a private part on Monday, October 31 at 1800 Berlin time at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard For time zone conversion, see e.g.

[board-discuss] Nuisance With Private Emails

2022-10-23 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, I want to inform you that I get on a regularly basis emails in private, with 'friendly' instructions what I'm not allowed to address on mailing lists. I find this form of cautionary private emails pestering and not appropriate for an open Free Software project. Regards, _Andreas_ --

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-10-17

2022-10-22 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 22.10.22 um 19:36 schrieb Simon Phipps: Hi! On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 5:50 PM Andreas Mantke wrote: If there is only the chance of a _possible_ CoI in front of a discussion/decision/process the ones with such a possible CoI has to leave the meeting (You could get

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-10-17

2022-10-22 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, hi all, Am 22.10.22 um 16:07 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, all, Andreas Mantke wrote: Am 21.10.22 um 15:18 schrieb Simon Phipps: On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 1:54 PM Andreas Mantke wrote: if I read the minutes correctly there are four board members with a CoI

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-10-17

2022-10-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 21.10.22 um 15:18 schrieb Simon Phipps: Hi! On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 1:54 PM Andreas Mantke wrote: if I read the minutes correctly there are four board members with a CoI, because they provided or were involved in providing LibreOffice in the app stores within

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-10-17

2022-10-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 20.10.22 um 19:04 schrieb Florian Effenberger: The Document Foundation Board of Directors Meeting 2022-10-17 Meeting Minutes Date: 2022-10-17 Location: Jitsi Session chair: Thorsten Behrens Keeper of the minutes: Florian Effenberger In the meeting:    Board Members - Thorsten

Re: [board-discuss] Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, October 17th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)

2022-10-14 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 14.10.22 um 15:52 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear Community, find below the agenda for our TDF board meeting with a public part, and followed by a private part on Monday, October 17 at 1800 Berlin time at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard For time zone conversion, see

Re: [tdf-internal] [board-discuss] Conflict of interests - Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, September 19th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)

2022-09-17 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 17.09.22 um 12:42 schrieb Andreas Mantke: Hi all, Am 16.09.22 um 17:18 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear all, Paolo Vecchi wrote: Some members of the board alleged that I was in Conflict of Interests (CoI) in regards to LibreOffice Online (LOOL) and Collabora Office Online (COOL

Re: [tdf-internal] [board-discuss] Conflict of interests - Agenda for TDF board meeting on Monday, September 19th at 1800 Berlin time (UTC+2)

2022-09-17 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 16.09.22 um 17:18 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Dear all, Paolo Vecchi wrote: Some members of the board alleged that I was in Conflict of Interests (CoI) in regards to LibreOffice Online (LOOL) and Collabora Office Online (COOL). Correction - the board has determined that Paolo

[board-discuss] MC Elections - Announce Of Final Results?

2022-09-16 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, if I remember correctly the challenging phase has just endet yesterday. Has there been any complains about the election process (not counted votes)? When could the community expect to get the announcement of the final results of the MC elections 2022? Are there any issues, which needs

Re: [board-discuss] [NO DECISION] TDF to change composition of legal oversight group

2022-09-14 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Heiko, Am 14.09.22 um 06:56 schrieb Heiko Tietze: On 13.09.22 17:07, Andreas Mantke wrote: It shows that there is no will of cooperation... Don't paint it black. We are all humans, there is a conference ahead, and at least one has sick children at home. It's not painting anything black

Re: [board-discuss] [NO DECISION] TDF to change composition of legal oversight group

2022-09-13 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 13.09.22 um 16:23 schrieb Cor Nouws: Hi Heiko, Heiko Tietze wrote on 13/09/2022 15:55: I wonder what it means when only two directors vote on a proposal. Is the topic not relevant, do people abstain because of conflicts, is there silent disagreement... Fair question. Abstain

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05

2022-09-09 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Jan, hi all, Am 08.09.22 um 23:45 schrieb Jan Holesovsky: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke píše v Čt 08. 09. 2022 v 21:01 +0200: * Anything closer to be voted on? (Thorsten) * another round of editing document (Kendy) * closer to be voted on * it's in shared folder * another round

Re: [board-discuss] Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05

2022-09-08 Thread Andreas Mantke
Am 08.09.22 um 20:24 schrieb Florian Effenberger: The Document Foundation Board of Directors Meeting 2022-09-05 Meeting Minutes (...) 2. Status Report, Discuss: Merged developer proposal (tdf-board, Jan Holesovsky, Paolo Vecchi, 10 mins)    * should the merged proposal be ready    * have a

Re: [board-discuss] Lets sort out the patch review before continuing here (was: Merging Of Contributions)

2022-09-06 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, hi all, Am 06.09.22 um 13:39 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: Hi Andreas, On 05/09/2022 17:50, Andreas Mantke wrote: (...) This new patch was merged as signed by me. I wasn't asked if I was fine with the new patch and I never signed this new patch (and are not fine with it). thanks

Re: [board-discuss] Lets sort out the patch review before continuing here (was: Merging Of Contributions)

2022-09-06 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, although I'm a bit discomposed about the process of today and the last days I try to be as objective as possible. Am 03.09.22 um 15:27 schrieb Andreas Mantke: Hi all, Am 03.09.22 um 11:24 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, all, Andreas Mantke wrote: Am 02.09.22 um 18:47 schrieb

Re: [board-discuss] Lets sort out the patch review before continuing here (was: Merging Of Contributions)

2022-09-03 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 03.09.22 um 11:24 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, all, Andreas Mantke wrote: Am 02.09.22 um 18:47 schrieb Andras Timar: Just for the record, the incriminated code is used solely by the iOS app (Collabora Office). Are there other iOS apps that broke because of the lool->c

Re: [board-discuss] Merging Of Contributions

2022-09-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi, Am 02.09.22 um 18:47 schrieb Andras Timar: Hi, On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 5:38 PM Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi all, Am 01.09.22 um 23:16 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: > Hi all, > > On 01/09/2022 22:47, Michael Meeks wrote: >> I would expect the ESC should interv

Re: [board-discuss] Merging Of Contributions

2022-09-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 01.09.22 um 23:16 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: Hi all, On 01/09/2022 22:47, Michael Meeks wrote: I would expect the ESC should intervene and cut out the politics. I believe that politics have nothing to do with what happened. Your grep shows that there aren't that many "lool" that

Re: [board-discuss] Merging Of Contributions

2022-09-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, Am 01.09.22 um 19:32 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: Hi Andreas, On 01/09/2022 18:48, Andreas Mantke wrote: I remember variable changing going on when LOOL has been forked into COOL, and the removal of "This file is part of the LibreOffice project :-(, but I thought that it was affecting

Re: [board-discuss] First Questions To All MC Candidates

2022-09-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello Shinji, Am 31.08.22 um 23:00 schrieb Shinji Enoki: Hello Andreas, all, Thank you for your questions. - What are the criteria to measure the value of a contribution? - Which are the criteria for a non trivial or obviously insignificant contribution? - Would your rating differ from

Re: [board-discuss] Merging Of Contributions

2022-09-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, all, Am 01.09.22 um 18:09 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: Hi Andreas, On 01/09/2022 17:36, Andreas Mantke wrote: It is this patch (only a small one with two lines of code): https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/138884 I see a comment "The correct naming for LibreOffice is

Re: [board-discuss] Merging Of Contributions

2022-09-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Guilhem, Am 01.09.22 um 17:27 schrieb Guilhem Moulin: On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 19:48:57 +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote: I wonder what is the usual time slot it needs to merge a reviewed and ready patch into the LibreOffice repository. https://dashboard.documentfoundation.org/app/kibana

Re: [board-discuss] Merging Of Contributions

2022-09-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, all, Am 01.09.22 um 17:29 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: Hi Andreas, On 01/09/2022 17:13, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hi Paolo, Am 01.09.22 um 16:47 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: Hi Andreas, On 01/09/2022 16:34, Andreas Mantke wrote: I wonder if it is useful to open a second (or more than

Re: [board-discuss] Merging Of Contributions

2022-09-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, Am 01.09.22 um 16:47 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: Hi Andreas, On 01/09/2022 16:34, Andreas Mantke wrote: I wonder if it is useful to open a second (or more than that) communication channel for this with Gerrit for code review (with an email messaging) in place. I thought that Gerrit has

Re: [board-discuss] Merging Of Contributions

2022-09-01 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Thorsten, hi all, Am 31.08.22 um 21:28 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote: I wonder what is the usual time slot it needs to merge a reviewed and ready patch into the LibreOffice repository. Answering as a developer here (and not as board member) - I think you

[board-discuss] Merging Of Contributions

2022-08-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello all, I wonder what is the usual time slot it needs to merge a reviewed and ready patch into the LibreOffice repository. It would be great, if the board could share it's opinion. It's important for new and other volunteer contributors to get some estimation on this. Thanks in advance for

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Delayed atticization for LibreOffice Online

2022-08-31 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Daniel, thanks for your reply. I'll add issues to the project thus you (and other volunteers) could look for suitable tasks. Best, Andreas Am 30.08.22 um 23:25 schrieb Daniel A. Rodriguez: Oh, I had not understood it that way. If so, count me in. El 30/8/22 a las 13:01, Andreas Mantke

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Delayed atticization for LibreOffice Online

2022-08-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
scope. However, it's important to highlight that there's an ongoing work. El 29 de agosto de 2022 3:02:33 p. m. GMT-03:00, Andreas Mantke escribió: Hi Daniel, hi all, Am 29.08.22 um 14:51 schrieb drodrig...@libreoffice.org: El 29.08.2022 07:44, Mike Saunders escribió

Re: [board-discuss] First Questions To All MC Candidates

2022-08-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Gustavo, hi all, Am 30.08.22 um 05:27 schrieb Gustavo Buzzatti Pacheco: Hello Andreas, members, community!  Sorry for my delay. Last week we had, here in Brazil, the second edition of the Latin American Conference. Happy to say that we had an amazing event!  In the next few days we will

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Delayed atticization for LibreOffice Online

2022-08-29 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Daniel, hi all, Am 29.08.22 um 14:51 schrieb drodrig...@libreoffice.org: El 29.08.2022 07:44, Mike Saunders escribió: Hi all, We still have this page on the site: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-online/ ...which has been the same for a very long time. We could update it

Re: [board-discuss] First Questions To All MC Candidates

2022-08-28 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Miklos, hi all, Am 25.08.22 um 08:45 schrieb Miklos Vajna: Hi Andreas, On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 05:40:05PM +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote: - What are the criteria to measure the value of a contribution? - Which are the criteria for a non trivial or obviously insignificant contribution

Re: [board-discuss] First Questions To All MC Candidates

2022-08-28 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Marina, hi all, Am 27.08.22 um 13:54 schrieb Marina Latini: On 24.08.2022 17:40, Andreas Mantke wrote: Hello MC Candidates, Hello Andreas, hi all, thanks for sending those questions. Here my first questions to all candidates: - What are the criteria to measure the value

[board-discuss] First Questions To All MC Candidates

2022-08-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hello MC Candidates, because the MC has a very important role in TDF I think it is important for the TDF members (voters) to ask the candidates. I'll start with a first question to initiate the conversation. I'm curious about the answers of all candidates and hope of a great exchange with the

Re: [board-discuss] Self nomination for Membership Committee: Ahmad Haris

2022-08-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Ahmad, would you be so kind and add information about your corporate affiliation, your email address? And there is a statement missing, that you will provide information about every change in this data asap. Regards, Andreas Am 24.08.22 um 10:58 schrieb ahmad haris: Dear Members & Board of

Re: [board-discuss] Moderation And Elections

2022-08-19 Thread Andreas Mantke
: Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 19/08/2022 16:13: ... The time it takes to moderate a candidacy email through the moderation queue is the proof that this is an obstruction of the election process. As we know, the nomination phase ends on Wednesday, 2022-08-24, 24:00. So if five days before

[board-discuss] Moderation And Elections

2022-08-19 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, if you look at the latest self nomination email for the MC, you'll find out that it took about 5 hours to get it through the moderation queue. The announce email (https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/2022/msg00828.html) state that every candidate has to send his

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Delayed atticization for LibreOffice Online

2022-08-03 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, all, Am 02.08.22 um 11:34 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: Hi Andreas, thanks for keeping us up to date. On 30/07/2022 18:56, Andreas Mantke wrote: Here are the 'numbers' for July, 2022: - 1 volunteer - work done: small css fix and a typo fix in a markdown file. Any progress on your

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Delayed atticization for LibreOffice Online

2022-07-30 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, although the July, 2022 is not finished yet, a short update on the amount of volunteer contributors to the fork of LibreOffice Online: Am 07.07.22 um 20:54 schrieb Andreas Mantke: (...) So lets have a look on the commits of the last four month of the fork (without the localization work

[board-discuss] List Moderation - Apply Double Standards?

2022-07-15 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, I took some time to observe the situation on this list. The list was set under moderation, because some of the board members felt, the discussion here was not friendly enough. The proposal for the moderation was supported on this list by another TDF director first (on this list). Then

Re: [DISCUSS] atticization for LibreOffice (was: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Delayed atticization for LibreOffice Online)

2022-07-08 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 07.07.22 um 23:05 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: > (...) >> The last part of this 'communication strategy' reached me in private on >> July, 3rd at 7.29pm, when I was told that I should contribute objective >> reason / points to the debate around LOOL and the decision about its >>

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Delayed atticization for LibreOffice Online

2022-07-07 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, all, although I have not too much spare time for a research I try to answer your questions. Am 06.07.22 um 22:46 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: > Hi Andreas, > > On 06/07/2022 20:08, Andreas Mantke wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Am 04.07.22 um 03:11 schrieb Thorsten

Re: [board-discuss] [DECISION] Delayed atticization for LibreOffice Online

2022-07-06 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 04.07.22 um 03:11 schrieb Thorsten Behrens: > Dear community, > > the following vote happened after our Monday board call, on request as > a private email vote: > >> The board sees positive & constructive news around renewed >> developer interest in LibreOffice Online. To further

Re: [board-discuss] Work On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived)

2022-07-03 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, all, Am 03.07.22 um 13:50 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: > Hi all, > > On 03/07/2022 00:21, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > (...) > is important to look at the past to try to correct eventual mistakes > and avoid repeating them. > >> If you want to change the status quo, I suggest you pledge your

Re: [board-discuss] Work On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived)

2022-07-02 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, all, Am 01.07.22 um 13:54 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: > (...) > > Regarding the freeze in my opinion should have never happened but at > the time we didn't have a clear CoI Policy so a single vote from a > what now would be considered a conflicted member of the board made > that happen: > >

Re: [board-discuss] Work On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived)

2022-06-25 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Laszlo, all, Am 24.06.22 um 20:57 schrieb laszlo.nem...@documentfoundation.org: > (...) > Forking is possible for everyone, but only with renaming. So it was > very unfair to write about that renaming is some evil thing, while > that was likely a mandatory trade mark issue for Collabora >

Re: [board-discuss] Work On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived)

2022-06-25 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Sophie, all, Am 25.06.22 um 01:44 schrieb sophi: > Hi Andreas, all > Le 25/06/2022 à 00:05, Andreas Mantke a écrit : >> Hi all, >> >> FYI: I wrote a short blog post about my work. And for those who like >> visuals, I added two ones. >> >> htt

Re: [board-discuss] Work On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived)

2022-06-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, FYI: I wrote a short blog post about my work. And for those who like visuals, I added two ones. https://amantke.de/2022/06/25/work-on-revival-of-libreoffice-online/ Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To

Re: [board-discuss] Work On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived)

2022-06-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 24.06.22 um 20:57 schrieb laszlo.nem...@documentfoundation.org: > Hi Andreas, > > On 2022-06-24 17:51, Andreas Mantke wrote: > (..) >> >> I also have no idea why it's not possible to work on a common ground of >> LOOL (LibreOffice Online) and why it is

Re: [board-discuss] Work On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived)

2022-06-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
LOOL was, > CODE is still the key for the survival of LibreOffice. In the spirit > of a successful free software contribution, respecting the decision of > Collabora Productivity, TDF must help CODE development, as much as > possible, for the sake of LibreOffice! As a first step, we sho

Re: [board-discuss] Re: LOOL is about to be archived

2022-06-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
gt; >Paolo > >On 24/06/2022 12:23, Andreas Mantke wrote: >> Hi Paolo, Franklin, all, >> >> it would be great, if we could work together on a process to merge both >> branches together and get the community versions in sync. I think this could >> be done most

Re: [board-discuss] Re: LOOL is about to be archived

2022-06-24 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, Franklin, all, it would be great, if we could work together on a process to merge both branches together and get the community versions in sync. I think this could be done most easy on Github. Regards, Andreas Am 24. Juni 2022 11:29:16 MESZ schrieb Paolo Vecchi : >Hi Franklin, >

Re: [board-discuss] Work On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived)

2022-06-23 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Paolo, all, my work on this topic is an offer to the LibreOffice community. I had to put some work in the update of the source code because a commercial free software company made some name changes in the source code of their fork to make it more difficult for the LibreOffice community. That

[board-discuss] Work On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived)

2022-06-21 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, only a short info that I'm currently working on an update of the LOOL source code with the latest patches. Because I have an issue with my newly bought hardware I had to migrate my environment (etc.) to another hardware (will need some hours of spare time). Thus I was not able to finish

[board-discuss] Re: [Meta] Interaction with Contributors (was: Discussing in board-discuss)

2022-06-12 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, Am 12.06.22 um 12:42 schrieb Simon Phipps: (...) Andreas was one of the founding generation of TDF so has been involved in the project for a long time, yes. He contributed great work on  infrastructure and deserves credit for it. He was unhappy when TDF migrated from Plone and I

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