Re: [ccp4bb] (EXTERNAL) Re: [ccp4bb] acceptable difference between Average B-factor and Wilson B

2019-03-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
I agree completely! The higher resolution data is determined entirely by the atoms with low B factor. If fact, the Wilson B plots I've seen have a distinct curve to them -- They are not straight lines. As one looks to higher and higher resolution the curve gets shallower and shallower. You

Re: [ccp4bb] (EXTERNAL) Re: [ccp4bb] acceptable difference between Average B-factor and Wilson B

2019-03-12 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Edward This is because taking a naive straight arithmetic average of the B factors as all the programs do is nonsense! To simplify your argument say we have just 2 atoms with B = 10 and 1000. What's the average B? Answer: not 505 but very close to 10 because the atom with B=1000 most likely

Re: [ccp4bb] (EXTERNAL) Re: [ccp4bb] acceptable difference between Average B-factor and Wilson B

2019-03-12 Thread Edward A. Berry
What if you have one domain with many B-factors aroun 70 and above, and another domain with B-factors around 20? The atoms with high B-factor will make essentially no contribution to the intensty of spots beyond 3 A, and so have no effect on the slope of the Wilson plot byond that. But they

Re: [ccp4bb] acceptable difference between Average B-factor and Wilson B

2019-03-12 Thread IGBMC
Le Mardi 12 Mars 2019 19:55 CET, Dale Tronrud a écrit: Dale Good to have the opportunity of going back to the crystallography of the fifties in these post-modern times... There is an essential argumentation that should be recalled. The only reason for the fact that one ignores low-resolution

Re: [ccp4bb] acceptable difference between Average B-factor and Wilson B

2019-03-12 Thread Diana Tomchick
> I do not believe comparing the average B to the Wilson B has any > utility at all. > > Dale Tronrud There are not many times that reading a CCP4bb posting makes me laugh out loud, but this one made my day. Thanks! Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick

Re: [ccp4bb] acceptable difference between Average B-factor and Wilson B

2019-03-12 Thread Dale Tronrud
The numeric average of the B factors of the atoms in your model only roughly corresponds to the calculation of the Wilson B. While I always expect the average B to be larger than the Wilson B, how much larger depends on many factors, making it a fairly useless criteria for judging the

[ccp4bb] acceptable difference between Average B-factor and Wilson B

2019-03-12 Thread Eze Chivi
Dear CCP4bb community, The average B-factor (calculated from model) of my protein is 65, whereas the Wilson B is 52. I have read in this BB that "it is expected that average B does not deviate strongly from the Wilson B". How I can evaluate if the difference calculated for my data is