There is a note from Christian Corti last updated 2017:
"..assembler listing generated with AS V1.41 from Alfred Arnold. ...which I
have added a code generator for the PALM processor."
I believe I've found a V1.42 of this on github. But the 5110 support is
not listed in the github or
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 4:14 PM Chris Zach via cctalk
wrote:
> Trying to tar a directory and transfer it to my AT 7300 (SVR2 unix).
> Tar -tf works fine on the Mac OSX, but when I copy it over the Unix (not
> gnu) tar gives me a:
>
> Tar: blocksize = 20
> directory checksum error
>
> When I try
On 10/11/22 4:14 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Trying to tar a directory and transfer it to my AT 7300 (SVR2 unix).
Tar -tf works fine on the Mac OSX, but when I copy it over the Unix (not
gnu) tar gives me a:
I suspect the differences between the tar on OSX and SysV R2 are between
On 10/11/2022 10:49 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote:
The DEC part is essentially bent bar stock, with a nut press-fit into
it. Also easy to to do if you have the tooling. I know a lot more
folks with a 3D printer than I do the folks with
https://www.yeggi.com/q/pdp+8/
hi folks,
i'm looking for a vme chassis. i have a we 321sb vme cpu card
(derivative of a 3b2) and it wants to run!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:3b2-vme.jpg
not super picky about the details but if it matches aesthetically that
would be neat. should be functional, i'd rather not start
On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote:
On 10/11/2022 12:37 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
Anyway, the original is bent bar stock, with notching near the apex, and a
nut press-fit/spot welded where I've drawn an indent. I've drawn it as a
triangular plastic block in an effort
Trying to tar a directory and transfer it to my AT 7300 (SVR2 unix).
Tar -tf works fine on the Mac OSX, but when I copy it over the Unix (not
gnu) tar gives me a:
Tar: blocksize = 20
directory checksum error
When I try to tar -tf the file. Which usually means the block size is off.
Any way I
Thank you for all the responses to my query - they're really helpful.
I'm usually pretty handy with Google but must have lost the plot this day -
I was trying "pmg5 build" - doh.
Kevin Parker
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Parker via cctalk
Sent: Monday, 10 October 2022 17:15
To:
On 10/11/2022 12:27 PM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
I reckon you could make a couple (i.e. what you need for one machine)
from steel or brass in an hour using only hand tools. The only things
you'd need that are not in every reasonable toolkit are a 6-32 UNC tap
and whatever the correct tapping
On 10/11/2022 12:37 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
Anyway, the original is bent bar stock, with notching near the apex,
and a nut press-fit/spot welded where I've drawn an indent. I've
drawn it as a triangular plastic block in an effort to make it more
structural.
I wonder if a heat-set insert
On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote:
On 10/11/2022 10:48 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
If someone wants to provide me with a drawing, I'd be happy to design a 3D
model of the part and print a few of them for testing.
Here's a pointer to mine:
Definitely! Easy-peasey.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2022, at 12:28, Tony Duell wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:23 PM Wayne S via cctalk
> wrote:
>>
>> A local machine shop or even a college machine shop could knock out 10 of
>> those in an hour probably in steel. It’s worth
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:23 PM Wayne S via cctalk
wrote:
>
> A local machine shop or even a college machine shop could knock out 10 of
> those in an hour probably in steel. It’s worth investigating i think.
I reckon you could make a couple (i.e. what you need for one machine)
from steel or
A local machine shop or even a college machine shop could knock out 10 of those
in an hour probably in steel. It’s worth investigating i think.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2022, at 11:17, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 10/11/2022 10:48 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
>> If
On 10/11/2022 10:48 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
If someone wants to provide me with a drawing, I'd be happy to design a
3D model of the part and print a few of them for testing.
Here's a pointer to mine:
https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/cad/3d.php
On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote:
On 10/11/2022 10:08 AM, Tony Duell wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:04 PM Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk
wrote:
Those are the ones. The 3D printed parts are essentially triangular
blocks that mount to the rack and have a drilled and
On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:12 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
Not everyone has a fully tooled machine shop, perhaps?
And not everyone has a 3D printer.
Moreover, a small lathe/mill capable of making that sorr of part is
probably cheaper
On 2022-10-11 11:14 a.m., Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:12 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
Not everyone has a fully tooled machine shop, perhaps?
And not everyone has a 3D printer.
Moreover, a small lathe/mill capable of making that sorr of part is
probably
On 10/11/2022 10:08 AM, Tony Duell wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:04 PM Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk
wrote:
Those are the ones. The 3D printed parts are essentially triangular
blocks that mount to the rack and have a drilled and tapped hole for the
recessed Allen screw.
Why on earth
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:12 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Not everyone has a fully tooled machine shop, perhaps?
And not everyone has a 3D printer.
Moreover, a small lathe/mill capable of making that sorr of part is
probably cheaper than a 3D printer and will last a lot longer.
Not everyone has a fully tooled machine shop, perhaps?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 10:09 AM Tony Duell via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:04 PM Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> > Those are the ones. The 3D printed parts are essentially triangular
> >
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:04 PM Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk
wrote:
> Those are the ones. The 3D printed parts are essentially triangular
> blocks that mount to the rack and have a drilled and tapped hole for the
> recessed Allen screw.
Why on earth would you 3D print something like that?
On 10/11/2022 8:17 AM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote:
Bill Degnan mbilldeg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a 3D print gcode for the hardware that connects a PDP8a front
panel to the chassis?
Assuming you're talking about the KC8-A (the panel with the push buttons and 7 segment
displays)
On 10/11/2022 8:17 AM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote:
Bill Degnan mbilldeg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a 3D print gcode for the hardware that connects a PDP8a front
panel to the chassis?
Assuming you're talking about the KC8-A (the panel with the push buttons and 7 segment
displays)
On 2022-10-11 8:16 a.m., Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Yes, eBay charges the seller the same commission on shipping as it does for
the item price, and the taxes charged to the buyer as well.
Sometimes if you contact the buyer and ask them nicely if they can add a
cheaper shipping option they
Why would a paid link come up when searching for something vintage
computery? The results are not tailored to suit the searcher, but the
advertisers, regardless of the search terms. Hence: trash. And you're not
going to convince me otherwise. Google is the Deathstar of the internet.
Sellam
On
From the USPS Domestic Mail Manual, section 170, subsection 4.1(i):
"Computer-readable media containing prerecorded information and guides or
scripts prepared solely for use with such media."
Sellam
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 8:23 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Bill
On 2022-10-10 5:01 p.m., Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
I blame Google: it's complete trash now.
Sellam
On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 2:40 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/10/22 10:33 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
4 words is not "Google-fu".
Sometimes
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 4:25 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote:
>> If the seller has a few “worthless” diskettes laying around, he can
>> include one in each case and now the package qualifies under media mail
>> rates. I won’t speak to
If the seller has a few “worthless” diskettes laying around, he can
include one in each case and now the package qualifies under media mail
rates. I won’t speak to the ethics of it, but it is technically
allowed per USPS’ rules.
According to USPS, that is not acceptable for blank, nor even
>Tony Duell
>Is that the 3U (5.25" high) one?
Yes..
>If so, there's a metal sleeve that is screwed in the rack.
Oh yeah, that would make sense. There was a QBUS chassis that worked the
same way. Was that a BA11-N? I forget - too many years have gone by :)
Bob
If the seller has a few “worthless” diskettes laying around, he can
include one in each case and now the package qualifies under media mail
rates. I won’t speak to the ethics of it, but it is technically
allowed per USPS’ rules.
According to USPS, that is not acceptable for blank, nor even
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 4:34 PM Robert Armstrong wrote:
> Don't know what the BA11-L (that's the short box for the 11/04) did. I
> don't think it had slides, but I'm not sure.
>
Is that the 3U (5.25" high) one?
If so, there's a metal sleeve that is screwed in the rack. The entire
chasis
> Tony Duell
>I wonder if that's because on the 11/04 and 11/34 the boards go in
>from the top of the box whereas on the 8/a the boards go in from the
>front. Therefore you have to remove the frontpanel to insert/remove
>boards on the 8/a but you don't on the 11's. The 11's panel is rarely
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 4:25 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote:
> > If the seller has a few “worthless” diskettes laying around, he can
> > include one in each case and now the package qualifies under media mail
> > rates. I won’t speak to
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 4:17 PM Robert Armstrong via cctalk
wrote:
>Annoyingly the PDP-11/04 and 34, which had a panel that was mechanically
> nearly identical, used an entirely differently mounting scheme, so there's no
> help there.
>
I wonder if that's because on the 11/04 and 11/34
On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote:
If the seller has a few “worthless” diskettes laying around, he can
include one in each case and now the package qualifies under media mail
rates. I won’t speak to the ethics of it, but it is technically
allowed per USPS’ rules.
Bob
Yup that's the one I have, thanks. At least I am not alone. I bet this
topic has come up in the past here.
Bill
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 11:17 AM Robert Armstrong via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >Bill Degnan mbilldeg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Is there a 3D print gcode for the
On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On the other side of the coin... I once tried to sell a couple
Chilton's car manuals. The shipping price I quoted was the cost
of a "If it fits, it ships" USPS envelope. eBay refused to let
me do it claiming the shipping charges were too
On 10/10/22 5:47 PM, Stuff Received via cctalk wrote:
Indeed. Also, I have added more words and received more search
results. One would expect the opposite.
Google also tailors results to location and cookies. (I always search
in private mode.) Not what it once was...(Sigh)
Agreed all
>Bill Degnan mbilldeg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Is there a 3D print gcode for the hardware that connects a PDP8a front
>panel to the chassis?
Assuming you're talking about the KC8-A (the panel with the push buttons and
7 segment displays) then I think there were at least two versions. The older
> On Oct 11, 2022, at 1:51 AM, D. Resor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have, or know of a reasonably priced supplier of good clean
> used, or new 8" floppy diskette boxes? The kind made of plastic like these?
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/134258177087
>
> I have one 8" box with Xerox
On 10/11/2022 6:16 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
I have a pretty good 3d printer, I.can at least try. I imagine the
standard front panel cover clips should be easy enough, but the pdp8a needs
something stronger with screws and bolts, right? I need to check the
enclosure hardware documents
I have contacted the seller, and kindly asked as a gentlemanly as I possibly
could.
I'll see what happens
Don Resor
If the seller will use PirateShip that can knock down the price of
shipping quite a bit, UPS and USPS only. Good news is it, unlike so many
others, can actually give you a PDF
I have contacted the seller, and kindly asked as a gentlemanly as I possibly
could.
I'll see what happens
Don Resor
-Original Message-
From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 7:16 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Cc: Sellam Abraham
I have a long shelf filled with boxes of 8" floppy diskettes. Data on many and
a bunch of NOS sealed product I have held onto. From the crazy asking prices I
am seeing on eBay (As if they are collector's items/antiques), I could sell
them by the box for the same price Xerox charged during the
Yes, eBay charges the seller the same commission on shipping as it does for
the item price, and the taxes charged to the buyer as well.
Sometimes if you contact the buyer and ask them nicely if they can add a
cheaper shipping option they will oblige you, but some can't use UPS or
FedEx for
Unfortunately I am in Los Angeles
Thanks anyway
Don Resor
-Original Message-
From: Bill Degnan via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 6:18 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Cc: Bill Degnan
Subject: [cctalk] Re: 8" floppy diskette storage cases
Of
There is the ability to ship via Media Mail for documentation. I try to buy
documents this way, as well as good ole vinyl records.
Several years ago eBay decided they wanted to "profit" from shipping costs.
This was supposedly to alleviate shipping cost gouging. I doubt this has
helped
On 10/11/22 09:17, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Of you're near kennettsquare, PAI have a few
I have piles of them. Unfortunately, they are all full of
disks loaded with data. :-)
bill
On 10/11/22 09:00, geneb via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, D. Resor via cctalk wrote:
Does anyone have, or know of a reasonably priced supplier of good clean
used, or new 8" floppy diskette boxes? The kind made of plastic like
these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/134258177087
I have one
Of you're near kennettsquare, PAI have a few
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 9:01 AM geneb via cctalk
wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, D. Resor via cctalk wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have, or know of a reasonably priced supplier of good clean
> > used, or new 8" floppy diskette boxes? The kind made of plastic
I have a pretty good 3d printer, I.can at least try. I imagine the
standard front panel cover clips should be easy enough, but the pdp8a needs
something stronger with screws and bolts, right? I need to check the
enclosure hardware documents
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, 2:37 AM Vincent Slyngstad via
On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, D. Resor via cctalk wrote:
Does anyone have, or know of a reasonably priced supplier of good clean
used, or new 8" floppy diskette boxes? The kind made of plastic like these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/134258177087
I have one 8" box with Xerox software in which the plastic
Don...it's the package size not the weight.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 2:52 AM D. Resor via cctalk
wrote:
> Does anyone have, or know of a reasonably priced supplier of good clean
> used, or new 8" floppy diskette boxes? The kind made of plastic like
> these?
>
>
Does anyone have, or know of a reasonably priced supplier of good clean
used, or new 8" floppy diskette boxes? The kind made of plastic like these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/134258177087
I have one 8" box with Xerox software in which the plastic literally
crumbling.
The price this seller
On 10/10/2022 11:00 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
theres 3d print models made of them theres the orig design with does not
prit very well and a modified design thats better list forget where
might be buried on this site?
https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/repair/repair.php
I tried to do one
theres 3d print models made of them theres the orig design with does not
prit very well and a modified design thats better list forget where
might be buried on this site?
https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/repair/repair.php
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