Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-22 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022, it was written Have you tried Misumi? The only problem I had was that you have to be VAT registered. I had a friend order for me. Yes, and that is exactly the problem. Christian

RE: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-21 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Have you tried Misumi? The only problem I had was that you have to be > VAT > registered. I had a friend order for me. > > https://us.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/223000860382/ > > I used the 150 mm / 6mm variety and as far as I can tell it works > nicely. I > have been running a tape in a

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-21 Thread Mattis Lind via cctalk
> > Well, both the SF-7000 as well as the SF-6500 (the size for QIC > cartridges) are de facto unavailable/out of stock/whatever. > The only alternative that I could find are the Mobilon Bands from > Nisshinbo. But same story, I can't order them, there is no store that I > could do that. > Have

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-21 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, it was written On Jan 20, 2022, at 00:23, Christian Corti via cctech wrote: What bands did you use/buy? I ask because the Baumgartens Plastibands aren't available in the required size (as if they are not produced any more). I bought the assorted sizes pack (SF-7000, I

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-20 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
> On Jan 20, 2022, at 00:23, Christian Corti via cctech > wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2022, Jonathan Chapman wrote: >> Just as a follow-up, I retensioned and read both tapes with clear bands this >> morning, and they're fine. Since they were parked, there shouldn't have been >> anything

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-20 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022, Jonathan Chapman wrote: Just as a follow-up, I retensioned and read both tapes with clear bands this morning, and they're fine. Since they were parked, there shouldn't have been anything important there, and it looks like the removed oxide is staying on the band. What

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-19 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
Just as a follow-up, I retensioned and read both tapes with clear bands this morning, and they're fine. Since they were parked, there shouldn't have been anything important there, and it looks like the removed oxide is staying on the band. Thanks, Jonathan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-19 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/18/22 22:32, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > On 1/18/22 8:22 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> You should be warned that Plastibands >> do deteriorate after a year or so--I have a package of them that cannot >> be stretched without breaking. >> > > Do you keep them in sealed bags? I

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
On 1/18/22 8:22 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: You should be warned that Plastibands do deteriorate after a year or so--I have a package of them that cannot be stretched without breaking. Do you keep them in sealed bags? I keep mine in a zip-lock and the ones that I got a couple years

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/18/22 11:38, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > >> On Jan 18, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk >> wrote: >> >>> My opinion is that if you're trying to use DC carts for archival >> storage, you should have your (tape) head examined. >> >> Not archival storage, just day-to-day

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Jan 18, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk > wrote: > >> My opinion is that if you're trying to use DC carts for archival > storage, you should have your (tape) head examined. > > Not archival storage, just day-to-day operation on old stuff, like Sun3/Sun4, > AT UNIX PC,

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Jan 18, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > >> As someone that has worked with computer tapes for nearly 40 years, I have >> to question the sanity of this. These > tapes are *HOW* old? What was their intended lifespan? While we all like to > keep our hardware as original

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 1/18/22 11:21 AM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: I don't do a reinstall of SunOS every day, though! Fair enough. If I had a process where something might fail in between uses, I'd augment the process to re-write the image to a (new instance of) tape before I try to use it. Yeah,

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> However, "couple (of) months" seems incongruent with "day-to-day". I don't do a reinstall of SunOS every day, though! > I am assuming that the day-to-day operation to mean that the source data > is still accessible on the source system. As such, it's probably simply > a matter of annoyance

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 1/18/22 11:09 AM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: Not archival storage, just day-to-day operation on old stuff, like Sun3/Sun4, AT UNIX PC, etc. Okay. I can see that. However, "couple (of) months" seems incongruent with "day-to-day". I am assuming that the day-to-day operation to mean

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> I wince at the idea of running with QIC tape. But my experience is with > QIC-80 tapes of the '90s Yes, small ftape QIC-80s were certainly in the "not great" category! Thanks, Jonathan

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> My opinion is that if you're trying to use DC carts for archival storage, you should have your (tape) head examined. Not archival storage, just day-to-day operation on old stuff, like Sun3/Sun4, AT UNIX PC, etc. > As someone that has worked with computer tapes for nearly 40 years, I have to

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 1/18/22 8:33 AM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: https://i.imgur.com/48EfOQG.jpg Ouch! With my luck, that would have been the index / start of tape marker rendering the rest of the tape mostly unusable. That's after sitting parked a couple months. Um I would naively think

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
As someone that has worked with computer tapes for nearly 40 years, I have to question the sanity of this. These tapes are *HOW* old? What was their intended lifespan? While we all like to keep our hardware as original as possible, does it really make sense to try to run systems in this day

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/18/22 07:33, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: > https://i.imgur.com/48EfOQG.jpg > > That's after sitting parked a couple months. I have a Dysan doing it too. The > Dysan had been re-banded with a boiled 3M band and run for years like that > with no shedding. I have another Dysan with a

Re: WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Jan 18, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: > > I know, I know..."just use the band to get data off." But I want to *run* > QICs without having to destroy them constantly. As someone that has worked with computer tapes for nearly 40 years, I have to question the sanity of

WARNING: Clear QIC Tape Bands

2022-01-18 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
https://i.imgur.com/48EfOQG.jpg That's after sitting parked a couple months. I have a Dysan doing it too. The Dysan had been re-banded with a boiled 3M band and run for years like that with no shedding. I have another Dysan with a green Plastiband in it which is also fine, minimal/no shed. So,