Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-02-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us make a test: If you are interested in a modification on cdrtools, send a list of descriptions on patches wher the following constraints apply: - They fix a bug verifiable bug in cdrtools That means an unmodified cdrtools has a self

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joerg Schilling wrote: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The full set of Debian patches against cdrecord are: 02_cdrecord_default_conf.dpatch: Set up reasonable default values in the cdrecord config It is unreasonable to deviate from a standard OS independen default. ---

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joerg Schilling wrote: Ville Syrjälä [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 03:41:16PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not against Linux, however I don't like the way the Linux kernel developers personally attack people who tell

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joerg Schilling wrote: Matthias Andree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling schrieb am 2006-01-22: First: this is not a bug inside cdrecord that needs to be fixed but a recently introduced bug in Linux that needs a workaround. I don't care how you call it. It's a problem

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-24 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joerg Schilling wrote: Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even for Open Source, there is an Author or a group of authors. The version that comes from the Copyrightholder is the official one. In this case there is no such official one, the official growisofs doesn't do CD, the

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 07:47:00AM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: For this reason, I cannot try out problems with Linux versions ewer than 2.6.8.1 unless people give access to machines where newer versions are installed. Did you ever wonder why no one provides access?

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-24 Thread Matthias Andree
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Bill Davidsen wrote: Fortunately there are people who do, which is why there are patches to fix the limitations of the old interface you release. You are saying the world should stop changing because I don't have time to keep up. This argument is invalid. It expects

Re: Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you give an example where cdrecord dumps hexadecimal rubbish to signal that everything is OK? I know it dumps a lot in -vv mode, but that's what -vv is designed for... Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. Current: 0x0008 Are you

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The full set of Debian patches against cdrecord are: 02_cdrecord_default_conf.dpatch: Set up reasonable default values in the cdrecord config It is unreasonable to deviate from a standard OS independen default. --- rejected Do you

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexander Noe' wrote: Geoffrey Actually Jörg, I tend to agree with Steve, but it could well be a cultural issue. You do come across rather blunt. Although this is true, let me tell you some things: * the difficulties to express such notions in a

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Alexander Noe' [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course, this can only work out when drives are not broken for a certain disc type in general. A lot of drives are very problematic with RW media. The best one I've encountered was the NEC 3540A. While I haven't got long-time observations yet, the

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not against Linux, I am however against stupidity and evilness. We're all against those, only that I do not necessarily see Linux decisions as evil. Misguided perhaps, uninformed rather likely, but malicious intent? I don't think so. If I see

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm primarily a SuSE user... Suse agreed some time ago to publish the version of cdrecord that is similarily broken as the Debian one under a different name and to publish a mainly unmodified version under the name cdrecord. Well, I would think that is a

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the only way to ensure compatible good-quality recording. Or some such thing, to do with different recording strategies and different principles on which the various formats are based. A DVD+ -based burner There is nothing like a DVD+ based burner.

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread scdbackup
Hi, But why did the [DVD-RW] media work in september 2004 and die a quick and reliable dead in november 2005 ? The same spindles. Two brands with two different media infos. Wether unused previously or re-written. You'd need a useful error rate scan of the media to establish this.

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Andy Polyakov
A DVD+ -based burner has to engage some kind of emulation for DVD- media (character-based vs block-based), and the emulation in the burner firmware can't be trusted. This is the first time i read about a technical reason for those patches. You've merely heard an echo of quasi-technical rumor.

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A DVD+ -based burner has to engage some kind of emulation for DVD- media (character-based vs block-based), and the emulation in the burner firmware can't be trusted. This is the first time i read about a technical reason for those patches. I always thought it was

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 12:00:59AM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Maybe the problem is that Debian accepts bug reports for things that are not broken (at least not inside cdrecord). Debian is not a monolithic entity. It's a large group of individual developers, each of whom works in complete

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again: -Linux kernel folks modify interfaces without notifying the users even though there are less than 5 Authors who write software that uses the related interfaces. Joerg, please - I believe you're wrong here. If it's your opinion

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not against Linux, however I don't like the way the Linux kernel developers personally attack people who tell them where they make mistakes. Let me make an example: if you take Linus Torvalds statements on Linux kernel include files for

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Ville Syrjälä
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 04:49:42PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Matthias Andree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not against Linux, I am however against stupidity and evilness. We're all against those, only that I do not necessarily see Linux

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ville Syrjälä [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're all against those, only that I do not necessarily see Linux decisions as evil. Misguided perhaps, uninformed rather likely, but malicious intent? I don't think so. As I and other did inform these people and they did stay with their

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Ville Syrjälä
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 03:41:16PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not against Linux, however I don't like the way the Linux kernel developers personally attack people who tell them where they make mistakes. Let me make an example: if you

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Ville Syrjälä
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 05:20:58PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ville Syrjälä [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're all against those, only that I do not necessarily see Linux decisions as evil. Misguided perhaps, uninformed rather likely, but malicious intent? I don't think so. As

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ville Syrjälä [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 03:41:16PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not against Linux, however I don't like the way the Linux kernel developers personally attack people who tell them where they make

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread scdbackup
Hi, This is the first time i read about a technical reason for those patches. I always thought it was to keep alive a source-open GPL'd version of cdrecord which is able to burn DVD. I don't understand what you like to say here It is not easy to discuss the cdrecord-ProDVD topic in any

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Debian people do not cooperate by not talking to the Authors of the software. In general, or just cdrtools? Generally, we have useful, productive relationships with upstream developers. In many cases, Debian patches are gratefully accepted

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Linux decided to _need_ /usr/src/linux/unclude in the search PATH. It was needed for Linux-2.2 or earlier and such a decision cannot ever be changed later. Well, they did just that. Your cdrtools package (or rather the libscg

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us make a test: If you are interested in a modification on cdrtools, send a list of descriptions on patches wher the following constraints apply: - They fix a bug verifiable bug in cdrtools That means an unmodified cdrtools has a self

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is most likely caused by OPC problems in your writer. Try cdrecord -force blank=full Hm ... i tried much, but i never tried -force. blank=full ? My Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01b31 does not know full. It's about time i try the new 2.01.01b03 ... ... nope

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Klaus Elmquist Nielsen
Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:54:56 +0100 //[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mailto:scdbackup%40gmx.net I am not aware of computer DVD-ROM drives which refuse to read successfully verified DVD+RW Well, my DVD-ROM cannot read any of the DVD-R or DVD+RW disks that I have tried. I use TDK and Verbatim media

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread scdbackup
Hi, Vendor_info: 'HL-DT-ST' Identifikation : 'DVDRAM GSA-4082B' Revision : 'A201' I am not sure about the firmware/laser pule former quality of this Hitachi Goldstar drive. I recommend to repeat this test with a drive from Pioneer, Plextor or NEC 30 minutes later

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Ville Syrjälä
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 06:26:35PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ville Syrjälä [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 03:41:16PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not against Linux, however I don't like the way the Linux kernel

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread scdbackup
Hi, I am not aware of computer DVD-ROM drives which refuse to read successfully verified DVD+RW Well, my DVD-ROM cannot read any of the DVD-R or DVD+RW disks that I have tried. That would be 1 point for the + team and 1 for the - team. I use TDK and Verbatim media written with a

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread scdbackup
Hi, You've merely heard an echo of quasi-technical rumor. I repeated (my understanding of) the guts of what was said, I don't say it's technically correct. Please note that I rather reacted on Thomas' interpretation of the statement/rumor you've passed on He interpreted it as if there

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Tue 24 Jan 2006 06:26:35 NZDT +1300, Joerg Schilling wrote: NOTE: it turns out that you are not helpful at all and only like to waste my time. Unless you are able to help with the problems please stop your postings. Turned around, it becomes: it has turned out that this condescending style

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Tue 24 Jan 2006 07:40:43 NZDT +1300, Joerg Schilling wrote: :-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=3h/ASC=73h/ACQ=03h]: Input/output error If you use a program with user unfriendly output, please look up the error code and expand to text. Hold it right there, Jörg. The hexadecimal rubbish

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Well, my DVD-ROM cannot read any of the DVD-R or DVD+RW disks that I have tried. I use TDK and Verbatim media written with a Plextor PX-716UF drive using cdrecord-ProDVD. The kernel identifies the drive as: LG DVD-ROM DRN-8080B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM How old is this drive? In the earlier days

Re: Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Alexander Noe'
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Hold it right there, Jörg. The hexadecimal rubbish dumped on the screen by cdrecord for no problems, everything's fine (and other things) is a lot bigger than what you're complaining about here. Could you give an example where cdrecord dumps hexadecimal rubbish to

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Matthias Andree
Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Turned around, it becomes: it has turned out that this condescending style is not helpful at all. Neither are 100% predictable outbursts slogging off Linux, the kernel, or developers, they're just wasting our time. Unless you are able to help with

Re: Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-23 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Could you give an example where cdrecord dumps hexadecimal rubbish to signal that everything is OK? I know it dumps a lot in -vv mode, but that's what -vv is designed for... Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. Current: 0x0008 Profile: 0x001B Profile: 0x001A Profile: 0x0014

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Andy Polyakov
A DVD+ -based burner has to engage some kind of emulation for DVD- media (character-based vs block-based), and the emulation in the burner firmware can't be trusted. This is the first time i read about a technical reason for those patches. You've merely heard an echo of quasi-technical rumor.

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Andy Polyakov
... find out about situations where growisofs fails and one of the patched cdrecords succeeds. Nevertheless, i would be very interested in learning about such situations. Every bullet at http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/hcn.html is a possibility for another program to succeed when

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Matthias Andree
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I fix all bugs that are verifiably caused by cdrecord and I try to find workarounds for all OS bugs. People just need to send a usable bug report. How about my recent Linux SCSI buffer allocation patch? :-) -- Matthias Andree -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Matthias Andree
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 18_donotopen_hda.dpatch: dev=ATA:1,0,0 uselessly opens /dev/hda, breaking non-root access. See #228215 Jörg doesn't consider this a bug, we've had this discussion a few days ago. If you have proper access permission to write, opening /dev/hda

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Andy Polyakov
... find out about situations where growisofs fails and one of the patched cdrecords succeeds. Nevertheless, i would be very interested in learning about such situations. Every bullet at http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/hcn.html is a possibility for another program to succeed when

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread scdbackup
Hi, informing you in advance about my upcoming cdrecord compatibility wrapper around libburn: cdrskin . What kind of advantage should this have? Cdrecord is opensource and portable to 30 different platforms. Why do you spend time on this? The fundamental motivation is as always, of

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even for Open Source, there is an Author or a group of authors. The version that comes from the Copyrightholder is the official one. In this case there is no such official one, the official growisofs doesn't do CD, the official cdrecord doesn't do

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you spend time on this? What problem does it solve that cannot be solved by cdrecord? I'm sorry you don't get it, DVD has passed by CD, and you have your Pro Guess why cdrecord supports to write DVDs since 8 years... You have a great

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should this be a joke? Please tell me why an unmodified cdrecord runs best on Linux and why 90% of all bugs on the Debian bug tracking system for cdrtools are caused by the modifications done by Debian. 1 - runs best is meaningless without

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matthias Andree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I fix all bugs that are verifiably caused by cdrecord and I try to find workarounds for all OS bugs. People just need to send a usable bug report. How about my recent Linux SCSI buffer allocation patch?

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread scdbackup
Hi, This is the first time i read about a technical reason for those patches. You've merely heard an echo of quasi-technical rumor. For me as an application programmer all talk about system, firmware or hardware is rumor. One learns to live with that. My -RWs leave me after a few

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The full set of Debian patches against cdrecord are: 02_cdrecord_default_conf.dpatch: Set up reasonable default values in the cdrecord config It is unreasonable to deviate from a standard OS independen default. --- rejected 06_dautipps.dpatch:

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Matthias Andree
Joerg Schilling schrieb am 2006-01-22: First: this is not a bug inside cdrecord that needs to be fixed but a recently introduced bug in Linux that needs a workaround. I don't care how you call it. It's a problem between cdrecord and Linux that needs to be fixed. Since you insisted that setuid

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matthias Andree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling schrieb am 2006-01-22: First: this is not a bug inside cdrecord that needs to be fixed but a recently introduced bug in Linux that needs a workaround. I don't care how you call it. It's a problem between cdrecord and Linux that

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Matthias Andree
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You stated that it does not work on Linux-2.6.8.1 which is not true. Well, sorry about that. 2.6.8.1 was very shortlived anyhow, and I don't have such ancient and security holey versions around. Please understand that I am not willing to waste my time

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 01:40:55PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The full set of Debian patches against cdrecord are: 02_cdrecord_default_conf.dpatch: Set up reasonable default values in the cdrecord config It is unreasonable to deviate from a

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matthias Andree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please understand that I am not willing to waste my time with constanly trying out new Linux version as long as the Linux Folks is not willing to to stop introducing new problems for CD/DVD writing. Well, your alternative would be to call Linux

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 06_dautipps.dpatch: Little patch to extend error information This patch causes incorrect output --- rejected What, you're claiming extra output that may help a user diagnose a problem incorrect? 1) cdrecord The output is wrong

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 03:51:19PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: I am always open to a mind change, but the people who like to get my help should be able to cooperate and to accept usual basic knowledge on computer science. *yawn* Yet more of your usual condescending style. I wa hoping to make

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 03:51:19PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: I am always open to a mind change, but the people who like to get my help should be able to cooperate and to accept usual basic knowledge on computer science. *yawn* Yet more of your

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matthias Andree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The hint that is removed by Debian prevents people from learning where to find working DVD support for cdrecord. And it might prevent cdrecord from being packaged -- by those who prohibit commercial

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 03:51:19PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: I am always open to a mind change, but the people who like to get my help should be able to cooperate and to accept usual basic knowledge on computer science. *yawn* Yet more of your

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matthias Andree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling schrieb am 2006-01-22: First: this is not a bug inside cdrecord that needs to be fixed but a recently introduced bug in Linux that needs a workaround. I don't care how you call it. It's a problem between cdrecord and Linux that

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Geoffrey
Joerg Schilling wrote: Achja, für den Fall das die Probleme, die Du mit einer Sinnvollen Konversation zu haben scheinst, daher rühren daß Du in der Englischen Sprache irgendwelche mir nicht bekannten Nebenbedeutungen entdeckst, laß uns einfach die Diskusion in Deutsch weiterführen, da sind

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Geoffrey
Joerg Schilling wrote: Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Achja, für den Fall das die Probleme, die Du mit einer Sinnvollen Konversation zu haben scheinst, daher rühren daß Du in der Englischen Sprache irgendwelche mir nicht bekannten Nebenbedeutungen entdeckst, laß

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Geoffrey
Joerg Schilling wrote: Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, but as Steve McIntyre told me that my mails are condescending, it is obvious that English is not the right language for the discussion as it seemms to be ambiguous to allow Steve McIntyre to believe I am condescending. Or

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not against Linux, I am however against stupidity and evilness. But your comments regarding Linux kernel developers would appear to indicate that you are against Linux. Personal opinion, nothing more. This is not true! I am not against Linux,

Re: Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Alexander Noe'
Geoffrey Actually Jörg, I tend to agree with Steve, but it could well be a cultural issue. You do come across rather blunt. Although this is true, let me tell you some things: * the difficulties to express such notions in a foreign language are unknown to some (actually, too many) english

Re: Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Alexander Noe'
Well possible. But why did the media work in september 2004 and die a quick and reliable dead in november 2005 ? The same spindles. Two brands with two different media infos. There is not much -RW media besides Mitsubishi that even has a chance to work properly. On the +RW side, some drives

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Geoffrey
Joerg Schilling wrote: Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not against Linux, I am however against stupidity and evilness. But your comments regarding Linux kernel developers would appear to indicate that you are against Linux. Personal opinion, nothing more. This is not true! I am

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Geoffrey
Alexander Noe' wrote: Geoffrey Actually Jörg, I tend to agree with Steve, but it could well be a cultural issue. You do come across rather blunt. Although this is true, let me tell you some things: * the difficulties to express such notions in a foreign language are unknown to some

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
A DVD+ -based burner has to engage some kind of emulation for DVD- media (character-based vs block-based), and the emulation in the burner firmware can't be trusted. This is the first time i read about a technical reason for those patches. You've merely heard an echo of quasi-technical

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-22 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
It might as well indicate your particular firmware deficiency: it simply fails to pick optimal power for particular media manufacturer[s] or DVD-RW media in general. But why did the media work in september 2004 and die a quick and reliable dead in november 2005 ? The same spindles. Two

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Matthias Andree
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My DVD needs get served well by original growisofs and cdrecord-ProDVD. So i have not much reason to try any DVD-patched cdrecords yet. I actually wonder why they live forth. Some people appear to prefer one tool for one burning needs, without locking themselves in

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread scdbackup
Hi, So i have not much reason to try any DVD-patched cdrecords yet. I actually wonder why they live forth. I wondered too and questioned that, and got my head bitten off on the dvdrtools list Only good we are virtual entities here. The blood spill would be immense if we met in real

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joerg Schilling wrote: Thaddeus H. Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This post regards Debian cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c. It may be old news to you. If so, ignore it; no reply is needed. If it does interest you, however, please copy replies to me. Be careful: Debian publishes

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
Because growisofs doesn't do CD, cdrecord doesn't do DVD, and -ProDVD isn't open source. I find it very nice to have a single tool to burn ISO images, because then I can write the media type fitted to the data size without needing multiple tools. That's why I have used my writecd script

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread scdbackup
Hi, Bill Davidsen wrote: Because growisofs doesn't do CD, cdrecord doesn't do DVD, and -ProDVD isn't open source. I find it very nice to have a single tool to burn ISO images, because then I can write the media type fitted to the data size without needing multiple tools. Volker

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread scdbackup
Hi, I recently introduced a fifo into my growisofs script. Now it is already obsolete. What a carreer. :)) For a talk I gave on introduction to pthreads I wrote a ring buffer program with most of the options one could want. Isn't there anybody in the world who did not make his own fifo

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful: Debian publishes a bastardized version of cdrtools. Most problems go away once you convert to the official programs. There seems to be no open source official program. Looks like you missunderstood OpenSource and forks. Even for Open

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isn't open source. I find it very nice to have a single tool to burn ISO images, because then I can write the media type fitted to the data size without needing multiple tools. This is why I use cdrecord wherever possible. And just a note: growisofs

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would there be volunteer testers for a united cdrecord compatibility wrapper based on libburn for CD and growisofs for DVD ? (With the funny property to have TAO-like behavior for DVD and only SAO for CD. Libburn is only available for x86 Linux 2.4 and 2.6 afaik.)

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I recently introduced a fifo into my growisofs script. Now it is already obsolete. What a carreer. :)) For a talk I gave on introduction to pthreads I wrote a ring buffer program with most of the options one could want. Isn't there anybody in the

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 11:35:25PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be no open source official program. Looks like you missunderstood OpenSource and forks. Even for Open Source, there is an Author or a group of authors. The version that comes

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And in case you also missunderstood forks: A fork is a _working_ and _maintained_ modified version of a program. What you see with the bastardized cdrtools versions on Linux is neither working nor maintained, it is just a result of the religion of

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 12:14:55AM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And in case you also missunderstood forks: A fork is a _working_ and _maintained_ modified version of a program. What you see with the bastardized cdrtools versions on Linux is neither

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread scdbackup
Hi Joerg, Would there be volunteer testers for a united cdrecord compatibility wrapper based on libburn for CD and growisofs for DVD ? The last time I checked libburn, it was a complete desater. The first time where a project turned unmaintainable short after it's creation. It's not

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 21 January 2006 19:06, Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, FFS. Give it a rest, Joerg. Most of the work that the various Linux distro people have done on cdrtools is to fix real bugs that you won't acknowledge. Sometimes users simply want things to work on their systems, rather than random Solaris

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me take the occasion to show to you the due politeness and respect by informing you in advance about my upcoming cdrecord compatibility wrapper around libburn: cdrskin . What kind of advantage should this have? Cdrecord is opensource and portable to 30

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 01:38:19AM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please tell me why an unmodified cdrecord runs best on Linux and why 90% of all bugs on the Debian bug tracking system for cdrtools are caused by the modifications done by Debian.

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joerg Schilling wrote: Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful: Debian publishes a bastardized version of cdrtools. Most problems go away once you convert to the official programs. There seems to be no open source official program. Looks like you missunderstood

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joerg Schilling wrote: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And in case you also missunderstood forks: A fork is a _working_ and _maintained_ modified version of a program. What you see with the bastardized cdrtools versions on Linux is neither working nor maintained, it is just a

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joerg Schilling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me take the occasion to show to you the due politeness and respect by informing you in advance about my upcoming cdrecord compatibility wrapper around libburn: cdrskin . What kind of advantage should this have? Cdrecord is

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Thaddeus H. Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This post regards Debian cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c. It may be old news to you. If so, ignore it; no reply is needed. If it does interest you, however, please copy replies to me. Be careful: Debian publishes a bastardized version of cdrtools

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, if ((flags F_FORCE) == 0) - comexit(EX_BAD); +;//comexit(EX_BAD); You could achieve the same by causing flags to have the F_FORCE bit set. My suspicion is that this can be done by option -force It might be

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-20 Thread scdbackup
Hi, My suspicion is that this can be done by option -force It might be worth a try with the unpatched program. His problems are just caused by broken DVD support in the DVD patch applied by Debian. My DVD needs get served well by original growisofs and cdrecord-ProDVD. So i have

Re: cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
So i have not much reason to try any DVD-patched cdrecords yet. I actually wonder why they live forth. I wondered too and questioned that, and got my head bitten off on the dvdrtools list by some self-proclaimed jerk who makes it his mission to make sure that everyone uses cdrecord-cum-dvdpatch

cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c

2006-01-19 Thread Thaddeus H. Black
This post regards Debian cdrtools cdrecord/cdrecord.c. It may be old news to you. If so, ignore it; no reply is needed. If it does interest you, however, please copy replies to me. Two years ago, one of the early DVD+-R adopters started a long thread [1] on this list re the cdrecord error

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