On Sep 8, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
Mark Tinberg wrote:
A lack of updates can also mean that there is a lack of effort or
competence
is tracking down and fixing bugs, or not a large enough customer base
with
the same bugs to generate sufficient,
On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
On Mon, September 8, 2014 9:19 am, Mark Tinberg wrote:
On Sep 6, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu
wrote:
On Sat, September 6, 2014 2:27 pm, Jonathan Billings wrote:
I choose
On Tue, September 9, 2014 9:37 am, Mark Tinberg wrote:
On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu
wrote:
On Mon, September 8, 2014 9:19 am, Mark Tinberg wrote:
On Sep 6, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu
wrote:
On Sat, September 6,
On Tue, September 9, 2014 9:33 am, Mark Tinberg wrote:
On Sep 8, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu
wrote:
Mark Tinberg wrote:
A lack of updates can also mean that there is a lack of effort or
competence
is tracking down and fixing bugs, or not a large enough
On Sep 6, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Jonathan Billings billi...@negate.org wrote:
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 09:46:36AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
But that is exactly what I said: if the hardware was released and sold
with this piece of crap BIOS, then you shouldn't be buying that junk in
the first
On Sep 6, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
On Sat, September 6, 2014 2:27 pm, Jonathan Billings wrote:
I choose vendors that make it relatively painless to apply the firmware
updates under Linux.
This is only so for either very rich, who can afford to
On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Keith Keller kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
wrote:
On 2014-09-06, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
... I've mentined manufacturers in another reply: tyan, lsi, 3ware, ati...
Even 3ware has had buggy firmwares. I once had to flash a 3ware
Mark Tinberg wrote:
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 09:46:36AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
But that is exactly what I said: if the hardware was released and sold
with this piece of crap BIOS, then you shouldn't be buying that junk in
the first place. Or at least stop buying the crap made by _this_
On 2014-09-08, Mark Tinberg mtinb...@wisc.edu wrote:
On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Keith Keller kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us
wrote:
This is why I would say that firmware updates are part of the preventative
maintenance in the same way kernel updates are, if the bug was already fixed
On Mon, September 8, 2014 9:48 am, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
Mark Tinberg wrote:
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 09:46:36AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
But that is exactly what I said: if the hardware was released and sold
with this piece of crap BIOS, then you shouldn't be buying that junk
in
the
On Mon, September 8, 2014 9:19 am, Mark Tinberg wrote:
On Sep 6, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu
wrote:
On Sat, September 6, 2014 2:27 pm, Jonathan Billings wrote:
I choose vendors that make it relatively painless to apply the firmware
updates under Linux.
On 2014-09-08, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
I gave on the SiperMicro quite a while ago. Not because of BIOS, but
because of hardware engineering flaws. Which at least manifests itself
with system boards for AMD CPUs. These (AMD) boards work reliably for only
2-4 years,
Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-09-08, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
I gave on the SiperMicro quite a while ago. Not because of BIOS, but
because of hardware engineering flaws. Which at least manifests itself
with system boards for AMD CPUs. These (AMD) boards work reliably for
On Mon, September 8, 2014 2:45 pm, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-09-08, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
I gave on the SiperMicro quite a while ago. Not because of BIOS, but
because of hardware engineering flaws. Which at least manifests itself
with system boards for AMD CPUs.
On 2014-09-06, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
... I've mentined manufacturers in another reply: tyan, lsi, 3ware, ati...
Even 3ware has had buggy firmwares. I once had to flash a 3ware card
years into production because it was not until then that this particular
bug was
On Sun, September 7, 2014 1:35 am, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-09-06, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
... I've mentined manufacturers in another reply: tyan, lsi, 3ware,
ati...
Even 3ware has had buggy firmwares. I once had to flash a 3ware card
years into production
On 2014-09-07, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
It doesn't sound like you are flashing all 3ware cards you have in
production every time new firmware release it out. It doesn't sound either
like you had fatal failure of production box because of bug in 3ware
firmware. Correct
On Sun, September 7, 2014 1:04 pm, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-09-07, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
It doesn't sound like you are flashing all 3ware cards you have in
production every time new firmware release it out. It doesn't sound
either
like you had fatal failure of
On 2014-09-07, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
I guess after that I should declare myself to be lucky. None out of more
than a couple of dozens of 3ware cards ever did harm for me. I did once
had one of them fried (my clumsiness most likely), which then just didn't
come up
On Sun, September 7, 2014 8:55 pm, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-09-07, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
I guess after that I should declare myself to be lucky. None out of more
than a couple of dozens of 3ware cards ever did harm for me. I did once
had one of them fried (my
On Fri, September 5, 2014 2:20 pm, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
By the bye, about firmware updates: I like Dell's the best of all. HP, run
it from some kind of DOS, and hope. Dell, you can do from a running CentOS
system (I've done it a few times), and unlike everyone else's firmware
updates, it
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu
wrote:
I was always fascinated: why [some] people are dying to upgrade firmware?
It doesn't matter whether by firmware you mean system board BIOS, or
firmware of some card. Why taking chance having your machine hosed?
On Sat, September 6, 2014 10:07 am, John R Pierce wrote:
On 9/6/2014 7:46 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
But that is exactly what I said: if the hardware was released and sold
with this piece of crap BIOS, then you shouldn't be buying that junk in
the first place. Or at least stop buying the crap
On 2014-09-06, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
I get rackmount
ones assembled by small company (companies) and about 1/2 of cost of
similar hardware from Dell. Those are for the most part based on Tyan
barebones. And during last at least decade I never had a must to flash
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 09:46:36AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
But that is exactly what I said: if the hardware was released and sold
with this piece of crap BIOS, then you shouldn't be buying that junk in
the first place. Or at least stop buying the crap made by _this_
manufacturer in a
On Sat, September 6, 2014 2:27 pm, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 09:46:36AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
But that is exactly what I said: if the hardware was released and sold
with this piece of crap BIOS, then you shouldn't be buying that junk in
the first place. Or at
On Sat, September 6, 2014 2:16 pm, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2014-09-06, Valeri Galtsev galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote:
I get rackmount
ones assembled by small company (companies) and about 1/2 of cost of
similar hardware from Dell. Those are for the most part based on Tyan
barebones. And
On 9/6/2014 1:53 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
... I've mentined manufacturers in another reply: tyan, lsi, 3ware, ati...
A few months ago, I had to flash the firmware on a LSI 2008 aka 9211-8i
because I needed the card in IT (Initiator Target) mode rather than
IR (Integrated Raid), and this
On Sat, September 6, 2014 4:52 pm, John R Pierce wrote:
On 9/6/2014 1:53 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
... I've mentioned manufacturers in another reply: tyan, lsi, 3ware,
ati...
A few months ago, I had to flash the firmware on a LSI 2008 aka 9211-8i
because I needed the card in IT (Initiator
On 9/6/2014 4:02 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
That doesn't mean that you have to flash firmware onto LSI controller
every so often after you placed controller into production because
original version of firmware is crap, and updated version will turn out to
be crap several Months after its release,
: [CentOS] Install Centos 6 x86_64 on Dell
PowerEdge 2970 and aSSD (hardware probing issues)
On 8/31/2014 2:03 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
Yes. They support internal SATA drives, we are changing
from spinning drives to SSD. I am working with Dell to get a
BIOS patch, but I wont hold my breath
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Install Centos 6 x86_64 on Dell
PowerEdge 2970 and aSSD (hardware probing issues)
On 8/31/2014 2:03 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
Yes. They support internal SATA drives, we are changing
from spinning drives to SSD. I am working with Dell to get a
BIOS patch, but I wont
...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John R Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 17:34
To: centos@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Install Centos 6 x86_64 on Dell
PowerEdge 2970 and aSSD (hardware probing issues)
On 8/31/2014 2:03 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
Yes. They support internal SATA
Jason Pyeron wrote:
From: m.r...@5-cent.us
Jason Pyeron wrote:
From: Jason Pyeron
[mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John R Pierce
On 8/31/2014 2:03 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
Yes. They support internal SATA drives, we are changing
from spinning drives to SSD. I am
By the bye, about firmware updates: I like Dell's the best of all. HP, run
it from some kind of DOS, and hope. Dell, you can do from a running CentOS
system (I've done it a few times), and unlike everyone else's firmware
updates, it says, collecting information, then *tells* you that a) this
-Original Message-
From: m.r...@5-cent.us
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 15:19
To: CentOS mailing list
Jason Pyeron wrote:
From: m.r...@5-cent.us
Jason Pyeron wrote:
From: Jason Pyeron
[mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John R Pierce
On 8/31/2014 2:03
Jason Pyeron wrote:
From: m.r...@5-cent.us
snip
Dumb question: these machines are getting very long in the tooth, but
you're putting SSD's in them? New, or newer machines, would
solve a lot of problems
Their warrantees are good for another few years... And the money is not :)
snip
Hey just coming into this conversation. Here is an Idea.. Why not
install a SATA card into the machine, one that supports AHCI. I'm
guessing there is a free PCI or PCI-E slot.
They are made, here is a link, I found quickly with a google search..
Bang for buck, it could be the cheapest
-Original Message-
From: centos-boun...@centos.org
[mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Rainer Duffner
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 16:54
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Install Centos 6 x86_64 on Dell
PowerEdge 2970 and aSSD (hardware probing issues
Am 31.08.2014 um 23:03 schrieb Jason Pyeron jpye...@pdinc.us:
Is that actually a supported configuration (in the Dell-sense)?.
Yes. They support internal SATA drives, we are changing from spinning drives
to SSD. I am working with Dell to get a BIOS patch, but I wont hold my breath.
On 8/31/2014 2:03 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
Yes. They support internal SATA drives, we are changing from spinning drives
to SSD. I am working with Dell to get a BIOS patch, but I wont hold my breath.
is the SATA interface in AHCI mode or legacy IDE emulation?
--
john r pierce
-Original Message-
From: centos-boun...@centos.org
[mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John R Pierce
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 17:34
To: centos@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Install Centos 6 x86_64 on Dell
PowerEdge 2970 and aSSD (hardware probing issues
On 8/31/2014 3:15 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
Good question, I will ask Dell. The BIOS only has Off and Auto as choices. Is
there a preference I should shoot for?
ACHI is pretty much required for SSD support.
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john r pierce 37N 122W
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