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>> Jonathan Billings wrote: >> >> >> > Maybe you're not >> >> > aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that systemd fixes that >> >> > people are happy about. >> >> >> Like what ? I don't remember there were as many errors to fix before >> >> systemd appeared. >> >> > I suggest reading the

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On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Richard Mann wrote: -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Billings Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:47 AM To: centos@centos.org Subject: Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent On Mon, Jan 25, 2016

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On 01/28/2016 12:18 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Not entirely useless. Not everyone has to deal with systemd yet. For such people, "How hard should I work to avoid it?" is an important issue. Michael Corleone, the God Father Part I: "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer." Those

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Am 28.01.2016 um 18:47 schrieb Lamar Owen : > On 01/28/2016 12:18 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: >> >> Not entirely useless. >> Not everyone has to deal with systemd yet. >> For such people, "How hard should I work to avoid it?" is an important issue. >> > Michael Corleone, the God

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On Thu, January 28, 2016 5:42 pm, Leon Fauster wrote: > Am 28.01.2016 um 18:47 schrieb Lamar Owen : >> On 01/28/2016 12:18 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: >>> >>> Not entirely useless. >>> Not everyone has to deal with systemd yet. >>> For such people, "How hard should I work to avoid

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On 01/27/2016 08:02 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Sylvain CANOINE wrote: >>> De: "Jonathan Billings" > >>> Maybe you're not aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that >>> systemd fixes that people are happy about. > >> Like what ? I don't remember there were as many

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On 26/01/16 05:01, Warren Young wrote: Buncha spoiled brats... That just made my day! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

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Can this thread just end, it's been hashed and rehashed. If there is a moderator out there can we just kill the topic? Lets move along. :) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

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Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 02:30:15PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Jonathan Billings wrote: >> >> >> > Maybe you're not >> >> > aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that systemd fixes that >> >> > people are happy about. >> >> >> Like what ? I don't remember there

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Joseph L. Casale wrote: >> I don't take a position in the systemd argument, >> but you said that systemd fixes lots of problems. >> It is perfectly reasonable to ask you to name one of these problems, >> perhaps the one you think is most important. > > Compare any average sysv init script with a

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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 02:30:15PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Jonathan Billings wrote: > > >> > Maybe you're not > >> > aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that systemd fixes that > >> > people are happy about. > > >> Like what ? I don't remember there were as many errors to fix

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Sylvain CANOINE wrote: >> De: "Jonathan Billings" >> Maybe you're not aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that >> systemd fixes that people are happy about. > Like what ? I don't remember there were as many errors to fix before > systemd appeared. > Agreed. The speed

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On Wed, January 27, 2016 10:07 am, Tom Bishop wrote: > Can this thread just end, it's been hashed and rehashed. If there is a > moderator out there can we just kill the topic? > > Lets move along. :) +1 here. Who can't stand systemd, explore other systems. Ask me off the list, I'll do my best

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Tom Bishop wrote: > Can this thread just end, it's been hashed and rehashed. If there is a > moderator out there can we just kill the topic? > > Lets move along. :) Other than the one I posted, about pmount, sure, I'm out of it now. mark ___

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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:11:56AM -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: > Well, that's interesting, about making sure it's stopped. I've asked here > a month or two ago, and got no responses: my manager has me using > pmount/pumount to mount the hard drives I'm putting in the eSATA drive bay > for

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Jonathan Billings wrote: >> > Maybe you're not >> > aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that systemd fixes that >> > people are happy about. >> Like what ? I don't remember there were as many errors to fix before >> systemd appeared. > I suggest reading the previous emails (SOME OF WHICH

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- Mail original - > De: "Jonathan Billings" > Maybe you're not aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that > systemd fixes that people are happy about. Like what ? I don't remember there were as many errors to fix before systemd appeared. Sylvain. Pensez

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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 03:11:50PM +0100, Sylvain CANOINE wrote: > - Mail original - > > De: "Jonathan Billings" > > Maybe you're not aware of it, but there are a LOT of things that > > systemd fixes that people are happy about. > Like what ? I don't remember there

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 06:38:58PM +, Always Learning wrote: > When something new is proposed and it is substantially and conspicuously > superior, then everyone wants it. Never noticed that enthusiasm with > systemd's imposition - an imposition nurtured and promoted by the > non-everyday

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> I don't take a position in the systemd argument, > but you said that systemd fixes lots of problems. > It is perfectly reasonable to ask you to name one of these problems, > perhaps the one you think is most important. Compare any average sysv init script with a systemd unit file. The magnitude

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> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Peter Duffy > Sent: den 26 januari 2016 13:16 > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent > > reminds me of first installing windows 9

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On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 08:05 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Peter Duffy said: > > The thing which always gets me about systemd is not the thing itself, > > but the way it was rolled out. When I first installed Red Hat 7, if a > > window had appeared telling me

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On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 16:53 +, Richard Mann wrote: > > > > Complaining on the CentOS list is probably not that productive, though. > > > > +1. To be constructive, the criticism would need to be done ELSEWHERE. On > this list, it is just whining. It's not complaining. It's discussion.

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On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 11:57 +, John Hodrien wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jan 2016, Peter Duffy wrote: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd#Why_Debian_should_default_to_systemd > Might be more convincing if they stuck to reasoned argument, rather than propaganda. "Systemd is

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>> I'm also still trying to figure out in what way systemd is supposed to >> be "better". > > https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd#Why_Debian_should_default_to_systemd > Counter-arguments are easy to find as well. For example :

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:53:27AM +, Peter Duffy wrote: > It's not complaining. It's discussion. Discuss it all you like. But "constructive criticism" (used earlier) isn't terribly useful on the CentOS list, because CentOS has very little control over the implementation of init systems or

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 02:21:40PM +0100, Sylvain CANOINE wrote: > > >> I'm also still trying to figure out in what way systemd is supposed to > >> be "better". > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd#Why_Debian_should_default_to_systemd > > > Counter-arguments are easy to find

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 08:43:46AM -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote: > Discuss it all you like. But "constructive criticism" (used earlier) > isn't terribly useful on the CentOS list, because CentOS has very > little control over the implementation of init systems or desktop > environments. I'm

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> Ultimately it's all software, and software can be > written/changed/updated to do anything required - all that's needed is > the skill and the motivation. If systemd is so "core" that it can't be > unplugged and plugged easily, and glues together a lot of otherwise > unrelated components, then

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:51:29AM +, Peter Duffy wrote: > I'm also still trying to figure out in what way systemd is supposed to > be "better". I've seen the following things claimed for it: Of the three things you list, hot-plug is certainly an important one. But, it's not the big deal. The

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On 01/26/2016 05:51 AM, Peter Duffy wrote: > On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 08:05 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: >> Once upon a time, Peter Duffy said: >>> The thing which always gets me about systemd is not the thing itself, >>> but the way it was rolled out. When I first installed Red

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> * insure that when something is stopped, it's actually stopped. (If > you've ever managed an HPC cluster and had processes escape the > scheduler, you know this problem is real.) # systemctl list-units | grep -c abandoned 453 # uptime 15:53:58 up 11 days, 21:03, 1 user, load average,

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On Tue, January 26, 2016 9:01 am, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 01/26/2016 05:51 AM, Peter Duffy wrote: >> On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 08:05 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: >>> Once upon a time, Peter Duffy said: The thing which always gets me about systemd is not the thing itself,

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 04:20:39PM +0100, Sylvain CANOINE wrote: > Redhat employs Lennart Poettering. Redhat derivates have to follow. It is true that Red Hat employs Lennart. But, the rest is false. It's not the way Red Hat works, and it's not the way Fedora works. -- Matthew Miller

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Once upon a time, Peter Duffy said: > Ultimately it's all software, and software can be > written/changed/updated to do anything required - all that's needed is > the skill and the motivation. Well sure, and I can build a rig to replace a wheel on your car while you're

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On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 09:11 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > Definitely. But please don't show up ranting about systemd unless you > genuinely have something new and insightful to add. We have literally > been discussing moving to an improved init system since 2005: >

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On 01/26/2016 10:33 AM, Always Learning wrote: > > On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 09:11 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> Definitely. But please don't show up ranting about systemd unless you >> genuinely have something new and insightful to add. We have literally >> been discussing moving to an improved

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 04:33:49PM +, Always Learning wrote: > Is systemd the beneficial, reliable, useful and workable "improved init > system" or something with circa 275,000 lines of coding compared to > init's circa 10,000 lines ? Things I have learned in programming > include modular is

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Once upon a time, Always Learning said: > Is systemd the beneficial, reliable, useful and workable "improved init > system" or something with circa 275,000 lines of coding compared to > init's circa 10,000 lines ? Things I have learned in programming > include modular is

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:40:13AM -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: > There is no plan B .. use it or use something else. Its not like > Debian, Ubuntu, SUSE have decided to not use systemd. Or, to put it another way, systemd _is_ plan B. Plan A was upstart. If plan C comes along and is even better,

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On 01/26/2016 10:49 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:40:13AM -0600, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> There is no plan B .. use it or use something else. Its not like >> Debian, Ubuntu, SUSE have decided to not use systemd. > > Or, to put it another way, systemd _is_ plan B. Plan A

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On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 10:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Would you rather a bunch of that "magic" of PID 1 that systemd handles > get shoved into the kernel (so that PID 1 isn't so special)? Why should the systemd monolithic bloatware be shoved into the kernel, especially when you claim the

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On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:20 AM, Sylvain CANOINE wrote: > >> * track process lifecycle, and restart (or take other action) on >> failure. (If software were perfect, this wouldn't be needed, but as >> is, this can save you being paged in the middle of the night.) > >

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On Tue, 26 Jan 2016, Peter Duffy wrote: No one is saying that sysvinit is perfect. What I can't grasp is why replace it with something which is no less imperfect, and is almost certainly worse in at least some respects - and to make that replacement unavoidable and mandatory. Distros weighed

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On Tue, 26 Jan 2016, Peter Duffy wrote: On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 11:57 +, John Hodrien wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2016, Peter Duffy wrote: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd#Why_Debian_should_default_to_systemd Might be more convincing if they stuck to reasoned argument, rather

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Alice, your rant is just whining. It's open source. If you don't like it, modify it. You cannot compare something which you basically get for free to what is funded by for-profit companies. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: > On 01/25/2016 01:28 AM,

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Once upon a time, Peter Duffy said: > The thing which always gets me about systemd is not the thing itself, > but the way it was rolled out. When I first installed Red Hat 7, if a > window had appeared telling me about systemd and asking me if I wanted > to use it, or stick

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On Sun, January 24, 2016 11:45, Peter Duffy wrote: > > Trouble is that when you go from 6 to 7, you also have the delights of > systemd and grub 2 to contend with. > . . . > Similarly with others who have commented, I simply cannot > understand why the maintainers of crucial components in >

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> I believe that RHEL7 (and CentOS7) both have systemd integrated into them > enough > that it isn’t as simple as “choose init system” on install. That's because of systemd. Even if most of the linux distros don't, giving the choice is a bit less difficult with any other init system. The main

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> If that is the case, why do you run CentOS 7 on the server? You can stay > with CentOS 6 for now and either wait till Linux systemd-free distribution > mature enough to be run on server is available. Which it almost is: Devuan > (systemd-free fork of Debian) has released "alpha" version about

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On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:15:47AM -0800, Alice Wonder wrote: > >>It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you > >>have to do something special to get fonts shown that aren't > >>monospace. > >The default _is_ monospace (specifically, the monospace system font). > Yes and I

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On Mon, January 25, 2016 7:59 am, Sylvain CANOINE wrote: > >> I believe that RHEL7 (and CentOS7) both have systemd integrated into >> them enough >> that it isn’t as simple as “choose init system” on install. > > That's because of systemd. Even if most of the linux distros don't, giving >

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On 01/24/2016 10:45 AM, Peter Duffy wrote: It would be very interesting to know how many other users are still on CentOS/Red Hat 6 as a result of reluctance to enjoy all the - erm - improvements in 7. That's were I am, CentOS 6.7 with a 3.18 LTS kernel from the Xen4CentOS repo on machines with

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> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of Jonathan Billings > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:47 AM > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at

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On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 11:46 -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 03:56:21PM +, Always Learning wrote: > > Of course Alice can. All of us can. Hopefully it is constructive > > criticism. Seeing good software being replaced by less good, less > > useful and more awkward

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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 03:20:35PM -0800, Alice Wonder wrote: > It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you > have to do something special to get fonts shown that aren't > monospace. The default _is_ monospace (specifically, the monospace system font). You _are_ doing

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On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 18:41 +0500, Micky wrote: > Alice, your rant is just whining. It is pertinent. It is lucidly expressed and many concur. > It's open source. If you don't like it, modify it. That can be an onerous burden especially when one lacks knowledge and time. > You cannot compare

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On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 03:56:21PM +, Always Learning wrote: > Of course Alice can. All of us can. Hopefully it is constructive > criticism. Seeing good software being replaced by less good, less > useful and more awkward software usually provoke the software's users to > protest.

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On Jan 23, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Yamaban wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:20, Alice Wonder wrote: > >> For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is no >> way to ask it to only show monospace fonts. > > IMHO the gnome UI devs played to much with MacOS

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On Jan 24, 2016, at 4:47 AM, John Hodrien wrote: > > You can start > applications, move windows around, and manage files. What do people really > want from a DE? Given a choice between Helix GNOME [*] and GNOME 3, I’ll certainly pick Gnome 3. However, it is also a

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On 2016-01-25, Always Learning wrote: [...] > As a C5 Gnome 2 user I dread G3 when I move my desktop to C6. Mate seems > an alternative. Anyone know more about the G2 folk ? C6 features G2. Nothing to dread. -- Liam ___

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On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 17:28 +, Liam O'Toole wrote: > C6 features G2. Nothing to dread. Wonderful. Thanks :-) -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. England's place is in the European Union. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

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On 01/25/2016 09:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 03:20:35PM -0800, Alice Wonder wrote: It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you have to do something special to get fonts shown that aren't monospace. The default _is_ monospace (specifically, the

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ri 2016 12:47 >>> To: CentOS mailing list >>> Cc: Mark LaPierre >>> Subject: Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent >>> >>> My opinion is that there's a silent majority who don't hate >>> Gnome3, and that >>> it's not half as terrible as peopl

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On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 03:26:51PM -0800, Kay Schenk wrote: > I know CentOS 7 is systemd -- ok, maybe I can deal with that having > had some exposure to it, though I'm VERY fond of good ole system V > init scripts. And I actually had been looking forward to gnome3, but > now I'm not too sure about

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I personally love Gnome3 on Fedora. It took me about a week to adjust my mindset though -- I did that over a Xmas break. It did help that I read the release notes first (so I was not surprised at the major change) and went through the tutorial the developers provided. An interesting exercise

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On 01/25/2016 01:28 AM, Kahlil Hodgson wrote: I personally love Gnome3 on Fedora. It took me about a week to adjust my mindset though -- I did that over a Xmas break. It did help that I read the release notes first (so I was not surprised at the major change) and went through the tutorial the

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On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:55:54PM -0800, Alice Wonder wrote: > > Oh and as far as a silent majority that prefers Gnome 3 - > > Ubuntu was by far the most common distribution for desktop users. > > It is quickly being overtaken by Mint - with the Cinnamon and Mate > builds, not the Gnome 3

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On 01/23/2016 06:20 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is no way to ask it to only show monospace fonts. It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default -

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On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Peter Duffy wrote: > The thing which always gets me about systemd is not the thing itself, > but the way it was rolled out. When I first installed Red Hat 7, if a > window had appeared telling me about systemd and asking me if I wanted > to use

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On 01/24/2016 06:37 PM, Lamar Owen wrote: Why? Why is it automatic that a text editor should be automatically monospace? (Sure, I use gedit with a monospace font, but that doesn't mean it's not useful with a proportional font). Because text editors are used to edit plain text files where

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On 01/23/2016 06:20 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. I'll have to be one who has to say that I really am not bothered by GNOME 3. It is better out of the box than GNOME 2 ever was, at least in my opinion, especially that

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> Seriously, who is in charge with the UI design in gnome? > > Whoever it is needs to be fired. > > /rant > Most of them were already fired or left cause of under-funding. Like other OSS projects, they are severely understaffed. ___ CentOS mailing list

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016, Mark LaPierre wrote: I'm forced to use MS Windows 7 at work. They have rolled in so much smart phone/tablet stuff that it makes the desktop even more of a pain to use than Windows XP was. Examples include, you can have your applications any color you want as long as it's

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I used gnome for years. Until gnome 3. It struck me a huge step in the wrong direction, and made me have to fish around to do things that used to be easy. I've used mate, xfce, and kde since then, all of which I find more user friendly. Gnome devs seem to think that they are empowered to tell

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Am 24.01.2016 um 00:32 schrieb Yamaban : > On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:20, Alice Wonder wrote: > >> Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. >> >> For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is no >> way to ask it to only show

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On 01/24/2016 11:31 PM, Sorin Srbu wrote: -Original Message- From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of John Hodrien Sent: den 24 januari 2016 12:47 To: CentOS mailing list Cc: Mark LaPierre Subject: Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent My opinion

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On 01/24/2016 10:23 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote: Isn't this basically a volunteer effort? At one point I believe they were funded by Novel, not sure who is funding the project now. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

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That's right. Novell acquired SCO. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:29 AM, Alice Wonder wrote: > On 01/24/2016 10:23 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote: > >> Isn't this basically a volunteer effort? >> > > At one point I believe they were funded by Novel, not sure who is funding > the project

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: [CentOS] Just need to vent My opinion is that there's a silent majority who don't hate Gnome3, and that it's not half as terrible as people seem to make out. You can start applications, move windows around, and manage files. What do people really want from a DE? Being able to just type winkey

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Isn't this basically a volunteer effort? On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Micky wrote: > > Seriously, who is in charge with the UI design in gnome? > > > > Whoever it is needs to be fired. > > > > /rant > > > > Most of them were already fired or left cause of

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On 1/24/2016 10:23 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote: Isn't this basically a volunteer effort? Gnome has a foundation, with directors and stuff.Wikipedia says the Gnome project is funded by various companies, primarily Red Hat. But I also see some blogs by core people that its sort of drifting

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> -Original Message- > From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On > Behalf Of John Hodrien > Sent: den 24 januari 2016 12:47 > To: CentOS mailing list > Cc: Mark LaPierre > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent > > My opinion is tha

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On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 16:45 +, Peter Duffy wrote: > It would be very interesting to know how many other users are still on > CentOS/Red Hat 6 as a result of reluctance to enjoy all the - erm - > improvements in 7. Every new system I implement goes on C6. Hearing others' problems on C7

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On 01/24/16 03:16, ken wrote: > On 01/23/2016 06:20 PM, Alice Wonder wrote: >> Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. >> >> For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is >> no way to ask it to only show monospace fonts. >> >> It's a fricken

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On Sat, 2016-01-23 at 20:27 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:05:02 -0500 > Mark LaPierre wrote: > > > The main reason I'm still using, nearly obsolete, CentOS 6 is because I > > don't want to have to deal with Gnome 3. > > Install Mate on Centos 7 and you never have to touch

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On Sun, January 24, 2016 10:45 am, Peter Duffy wrote: > On Sat, 2016-01-23 at 20:27 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:05:02 -0500 >> Mark LaPierre wrote: >> >> > The main reason I'm still using, nearly obsolete, CentOS 6 is because >> I >> > don't want to have to deal with Gnome

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> On 24 Jan 2016, at 17:45, Peter Duffy wrote: > > On Sat, 2016-01-23 at 20:27 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:05:02 -0500 >> Mark LaPierre wrote: >> >>> The main reason I'm still using, nearly obsolete, CentOS 6 is because I >>> don't want to have to

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I haven't used gnome3, or any Linux desktop in earnest for a long time... But I used to be semi-obsessed with tweaking and configuring various Linux desktops. And back when I was doing that, there were dozens of desktop programs available, from super lightweight bare bones window managers, to full

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On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 12:01 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Well, there is Linux distribution which is systemd-free. And that > distribution I predict will live for decently long time. It is "Devuan" - > a fork of Debian, stripped off systemd and friends... well, I should have > said: composed

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On 01/24/2016 03:40 PM, Peter Duffy wrote: The thing which always gets me about systemd is not the thing itself, but the way it was rolled out. When I first installed Red Hat 7, if a window had appeared telling me about systemd and asking me if I wanted to use it, or stick with the old init

Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent

On Sat, January 23, 2016 5:20 pm, Alice Wonder wrote: > Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. > > For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is > no way to ask it to only show monospace fonts. > > It's a fricken text editor, that should be

Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 05:50:15PM -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Sat, January 23, 2016 5:20 pm, Alice Wonder wrote: > > Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. > > > > For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is > > no way to ask it

[CentOS] Just need to vent

Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is no way to ask it to only show monospace fonts. It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default - meaning you have to do something special to get

Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent

On 01/23/16 18:20, Alice Wonder wrote: > Sometimes the direction of UI development in gnome really angers me. > > For example, when selecting a font for the gedit text editor - there is > no way to ask it to only show monospace fonts. > > It's a fricken text editor, that should be the default -

Re: [CentOS] Just need to vent

On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:05:02 -0500 Mark LaPierre wrote: > The main reason I'm still using, nearly obsolete, CentOS 6 is because I > don't want to have to deal with Gnome 3. Install Mate on Centos 7 and you never have to touch Gnome 3. I did, and my desktops don't look or work any different