Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-25 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 11/24/2010 05:36 PM, Bill Campbell wrote: I find lists where there's fairly open discussion of topics more useful than those that deal with very narrow topics. It's generic lists are more suited to, as you pointed out LUG's and social groups - this is a fairly product/ platform centric

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Toralf Lund
Les Mikesell wrote: On 11/22/10 10:28 PM, Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:09:59 -0600 Les Mikesell wrote: I don't think they ever did a real native *nix verson - they had a slightly custom version of wine wrapped around the windows code. Native WP for Unix existed

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Karanbir Singh
Hi, On 11/23/2010 01:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Did you really struggle to find a more appropriate place to discuss something like this ? :) Where is a group of people that might be more affected by the fallout? Not that there's much we can do about it... Most of the conversation that

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 11/24/2010 10:32 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: That's going back to the character-mode days. I meant the GUI version. I used an X11 version on some Unix variant a long time ago - possibly IRIX, but it may have been the DEC one (or both.) This was several years Thats good, but how is that even

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Toralf Lund
Karanbir Singh wrote: On 11/24/2010 10:32 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: That's going back to the character-mode days. I meant the GUI version. I used an X11 version on some Unix variant a long time ago - possibly IRIX, but it may have been the DEC one (or both.) This was several years

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Karanbir Singh
On 11/24/2010 02:34 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ? It's *remotely* related in that it means someone, somewhere must have source code that would probably compile more or less directly under CentOS, for the (currently unsupported) software

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Les Mikesell
On 11/24/10 8:37 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 11/24/2010 02:34 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ? It's *remotely* related in that it means someone, somewhere must have source code that would probably compile more or less directly under

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread m . roth
Toralf Lund wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote: On 11/24/2010 10:32 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: snip Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his list ? It's *remotely* related in that it means someone, somewhere must have source code that would probably compile more or less directly under

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Geoff Galitz
What we need is a What would a good sysadmin think? list where one of the criteria for being a good sysadmin would obviously be that you know something about Centos but the rest of the scope covers applications, conversions, product comparisons, legal issues, etc. The kind of stuff

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010, Toralf Lund wrote: Karanbir Singh wrote: On 11/24/2010 10:32 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: That's going back to the character-mode days. I meant the GUI version. I used an X11 version on some Unix variant a long time ago - possibly IRIX, but it may have been the

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Keith Roberts
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Les Mikesell wrote: To: centos@centos.org From: Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news? On 11/24/10 8:37 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: On 11/24/2010 02:34 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Thats good, but how is that even remotely related to his

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 at 10:00am, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote Not I can't resist the old quote: Someone, somewhere on usenet, posted something that was ...wrong. http://xkcd.com/386/ -- Joshua Baker-LePain QB3 Shared Cluster Sysadmin UCSF ___ CentOS

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-24 Thread m . roth
Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 at 10:00am, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote Not I can't resist the old quote: Someone, somewhere on usenet, posted something that was ...wrong. http://xkcd.com/386/ Yep. But I remember seeing that quote, hanging out on usenet, at least by the

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-23 Thread Karanbir Singh
Les, On 11/22/2010 06:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Is anyone following the news of the Novell sale and some mysterious 'intellectual property assets' that were transferred to a holding company controlled by Microsoft? Did you really struggle to find a more appropriate place to discuss

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-23 Thread Les Mikesell
On 11/23/10 4:42 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: Les, On 11/22/2010 06:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Is anyone following the news of the Novell sale and some mysterious 'intellectual property assets' that were transferred to a holding company controlled by Microsoft? Did you really struggle to find

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-23 Thread Christopher Chan
On Tuesday, November 23, 2010 09:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: On 11/23/10 4:42 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote: Les, On 11/22/2010 06:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Is anyone following the news of the Novell sale and some mysterious 'intellectual property assets' that were transferred to a holding

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news? (OT)

2010-11-23 Thread Drew
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[CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Les Mikesell
Is anyone following the news of the Novell sale and some mysterious 'intellectual property assets' that were transferred to a holding company controlled by Microsoft? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Digimer
On 11/22/2010 01:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Is anyone following the news of the Novell sale and some mysterious 'intellectual property assets' that were transferred to a holding company controlled by Microsoft? I saw that, and can't help but wonder if we're in for another SCO. =/ -- Digimer

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 12:13 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: Is anyone following the news of the Novell sale and some mysterious 'intellectual property assets' that were transferred to a holding company controlled by Microsoft? Oh, sheesh, here we go. Baseless speculation and the weaving on

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Les Mikesell
On 11/22/2010 12:14 PM, Digimer wrote: Is anyone following the news of the Novell sale and some mysterious 'intellectual property assets' that were transferred to a holding company controlled by Microsoft? I saw that, and can't help but wonder if we're in for another SCO. =/ SCO didn't get

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread John Kennedy
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 13:26, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/22/2010 12:14 PM, Digimer wrote: Is anyone following the news of the Novell sale and some mysterious 'intellectual property assets' that were transferred to a holding company controlled by Microsoft? I saw

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread m . roth
Les Mikesell wrote: Is anyone following the news of the Novell sale and some mysterious 'intellectual property assets' that were transferred to a holding company controlled by Microsoft? Just saw that today. I wonder if any of those assets is the superior (and utterly badly marketed)

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Barry Brimer
Just saw that today. I wonder if any of those assets is the superior (and utterly badly marketed) WordPerfect. I thought Novell sold WordPerfect to Corel a long time ago. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread m . roth
Barry Brimer wrote: Just saw that today. I wonder if any of those assets is the superior (and utterly badly marketed) WordPerfect. I thought Novell sold WordPerfect to Corel a long time ago. Maybe - I've lost track. I'm still waiting for *anyone* to actually market the damn thing - I'd *buy*

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 14:42 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Barry Brimer wrote: Just saw that today. I wonder if any of those assets is the superior (and utterly badly marketed) WordPerfect. I thought Novell sold WordPerfect to Corel a long time ago. Maybe - I've lost track. I'm still

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread m . roth
Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 14:42 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Barry Brimer wrote: Just saw that today. I wonder if any of those assets is the superior (and utterly badly marketed) WordPerfect. I thought Novell sold WordPerfect to Corel a long time ago. Maybe - I've

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Robert Heller
At Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:10:41 -0500 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org wrote: Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 14:42 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: Barry Brimer wrote: Just saw that today. I wonder if any of those assets is the superior (and utterly badly marketed)

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Drew
AND not a single word processor or web page building I've seen writes them clean: I beg to differ. I've used Dreamweaver for years and while I can't speak for the latest versions, the MX version released in 2002 produced some of the cleanest (x)html I've seen. And with their tidy command you

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Michael Semcheski
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:42 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote: I thought Novell sold WordPerfect to Corel a long time ago. Maybe - I've lost track. I'm still waiting for *anyone* to actually market the damn thing - I'd *buy* it (or rather, upgrade from 6.0.c for DOS) I'll take it over Word

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread John R. Dennison
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:29:12PM -0500, Michael Semcheski wrote: Windows only, unfortunately. When did they stop publishing *nix versions? I worked extensively with that monstrosity 15-16 years ago on SCO / MWC Coherent.

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Les Mikesell
On 11/22/10 9:57 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:29:12PM -0500, Michael Semcheski wrote: Windows only, unfortunately. When did they stop publishing *nix versions? I worked extensively with that monstrosity 15-16 years ago on SCO / MWC Coherent. I

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Stephen Harris
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:12:38PM -0500, Robert Heller wrote: And I *still* use LaTeX. *I* won't touch a word processor (I tried Feh. N00b. LaTeX. Feh. % head -20 cv .m1 0.05i .m2 0.15i .m3 0 .m4 0.11i .po 0.6c .ll 7.5i .pl 10.5i .SZ 11 .tr ~ .kern 0 .lg 0 .he

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Frank Cox
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:09:59 -0600 Les Mikesell wrote: I don't think they ever did a real native *nix verson - they had a slightly custom version of wine wrapped around the windows code. Native WP for Unix existed back in the days of WP/DOS and the like. WP ran on a huge number of

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Les Mikesell
On 11/22/10 10:28 PM, Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:09:59 -0600 Les Mikesell wrote: I don't think they ever did a real native *nix verson - they had a slightly custom version of wine wrapped around the windows code. Native WP for Unix existed back in the days of WP/DOS and the

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread John R. Dennison
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:09:59PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: I don't think they ever did a real native *nix verson - they had a slightly custom version of wine wrapped around the windows code. And there was some strange Microsoft involvement in the Corel company too - probably why you

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news?

2010-11-22 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Stephen Harris li...@spuddy.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:12:38PM -0500, Robert Heller wrote: And I *still* use LaTeX.  *I* won't touch a word processor (I tried Feh.  N00b.  LaTeX.  Feh. I used Chiwriter (DOS) during my college days. I'm surprised

Re: [CentOS] Novell sale news? (OT)

2010-11-22 Thread Niki Kovacs
Drew a écrit : I beg to differ. I've used Dreamweaver for years and while I can't speak for the latest versions, the MX version released in 2002 produced some of the cleanest (x)html I've seen. XHTML is supposed to be semantic, e. g. it indicates clearly that this is a quotation, this is