Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 09/10/2017 13:54, hw wrote: Mark, > It is quite obvious that Centos causes issues because it is not > following the FHS. Stop right there. CentOS *is* following the FHS. Can you please stop this whiny complaint against CentOS, and just accept that the packages you're using are not properly

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 09/10/2017 12:38, hw wrote: >> 4. Finally, if you as a sysadmin are using a package from a repo that >> isn't CentOS or EPEL, and this package is not following the CentOS >> packaging protocol for data in /run, then it is YOUR own responsibility >> to fix the package, or create your own

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Mon, October 9, 2017 3:31 pm, Jon LaBadie wrote: > On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 08:32:32PM +0200, Alexander Dalloz wrote: >> Am 09.10.2017 um 17:54 schrieb Jonathan Billings: >> > I think that the important learning points today are: >> > >> > 1.) CentOS7 (and any other distro that uses systemd)

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 08:32:32PM +0200, Alexander Dalloz wrote: > Am 09.10.2017 um 17:54 schrieb Jonathan Billings: > > I think that the important learning points today are: > > > > 1.) CentOS7 (and any other distro that uses systemd) will have /run as > > a tmpfs filesystem, and /var/run

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

> > Best practises also involve to generally not delete files unless you can > be sure that they can be deleted. That is probably what the FHS > intended by specifying that files in /var/run must be deleted/truncated > at boot time, assuming that the programs that created them would do this >

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Am 09.10.2017 um 17:54 schrieb Jonathan Billings: I think that the important learning points today are: 1.) CentOS7 (and any other distro that uses systemd) will have /run as a tmpfs filesystem, and /var/run points to /run on CentOS7, so even if you think this disagrees with the FHS, that's the

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 12:38:41PM +0200, hw wrote: > I´m not whining, and it´s not my fault that someone came up with the > extremely stupid idea to use a ramdisk for /var/run. It´s also not my > fault that lighttpd appears not to be packaged the way it would need to > be, and the same goes for

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 02:06:35PM +0200, hw wrote: > > If the EPEL package did too, then there could be serious problems with > > that package. However, I see that it has a > > /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/lighttpd.conf, so it is ok. > > Hm, then how come it´s so troublesome? > > I have

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Mark Haney writes: > On 10/04/2017 08:46 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: >> On Wednesday 04 October 2017 13:39:30 Mark Haney wrote: >>> I'll end this by saying, I hope the production servers you have don't >>> provide critical services that could jeopardize the lives of people.

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Gary Stainburn writes: > On Tuesday 03 October 2017 18:24:01 Mark Haney wrote: >> What issue? That the PID is dropped on reboot?  What else are you >> putting in there?  I'm beginning to question whether you know what >> you're doing or not.  Lighttpd doesn't store any

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Gordon Messmer writes: > On 10/04/2017 04:54 AM, Mark Haney wrote: >> Why is it so hard for people to understand that var/run IS NOT >> PERSISTENT and was never meant to be?  Do they not teach basic Unix >> concepts anymore? > > >

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Mark Haney writes: > On 10/04/2017 04:23 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: >> >> Mark, Many Non-Centos originated packages create directories in /var/run as >> part of the install, and expect them to still exist after a reboot. >> >> They then fail when starting the service

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Mark Haney writes: > It's quite obvious you aren't using Centos packages. Again: lighttpd is from epel. See [1]: "EPEL packages are usually based on their Fedora counterparts and will never conflict with or replace packages in the base Enterprise Linux distributions."

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Jonathan Billings writes: > On Oct 3, 2017, at 13:12, hw wrote: >> >> I´m using the packages from mariadb.org. The old version that comes in >> Centos isn´t recommended, and I need features only the newer versions >> provide. >> >> >> Lighttpd is from

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Anand Buddhdev writes: > On 05/10/2017 11:32, hw wrote: > >>> That directory isn't temporary. The files almost always are, but not >>> the directories. As I said, whatever it is you're doing, it's wrong. >>> I wouldn't continue to keep a setup like that as it's not standard

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Mark Haney writes: > On 10/04/2017 08:22 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: >> On Wednesday 04 October 2017 12:54:44 Mark Haney wrote: >>> Sorry, but if you have to use packages that don't originate from CentOS >>> and they do that, then I wouldn't use them. Period.  I'd compile

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Harold Toms writes: > On 01/10/17 16:21, hw wrote: >> Hi, >> >> how can I prevent files/directories like /var/run/mariadb from being >> deleted on reboot? Lighttpd has the same problem. >> >> This breaks services and makes servers non-restartable by anyone else >> but the

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

It's quite obvious you aren't using Centos packages. If you refuse to do as best practices insist (and have for nearly HALF A CENTURY) then no one here can help you. It seems to me that 1) you'd be better off compiling from source for your environment, or 2) that you need to follow practices

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Amand *Thank you for the explanation .* 2017-10-05 7:00 GMT-03:00 Anand Buddhdev : > On 05/10/2017 11:32, hw wrote: > > >> That directory isn't temporary. The files almost always are, but not > >> the directories. As I said, whatever it is you're doing, it's wrong. > >> I

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 05/10/2017 11:32, hw wrote: >> That directory isn't temporary. The files almost always are, but not >> the directories. As I said, whatever it is you're doing, it's wrong. >> I wouldn't continue to keep a setup like that as it's not standard >> practice to keep data in /var/run that isn't

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Mark Haney writes: > On 10/03/2017 01:12 PM, hw wrote: >> >>> See >>> >>> https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2016/09/20/managing-temporary-files-with-systemd-tmpfiles-on-rhel7/ >>> >>> how to manage tmpfiles. >> Thanks, I´ll look into that. I wouldn´t consider a

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 4 October 2017 at 16:06, wrote: >I have not followed this thread since the first few emails... but has > anyone suggested the SCL repo? I see mysql 5.6 and 5.7 there. > +1 for SCL - https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/rh-mariadb101/

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 01/10/17 16:21, hw wrote: Hi, how can I prevent files/directories like /var/run/mariadb from being deleted on reboot? Lighttpd has the same problem. This breaks services and makes servers non-restartable by anyone else but the administrator who needs to re-create the needed files and

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Wed, October 4, 2017 9:38 am, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 10/04/2017 04:54 AM, Mark Haney wrote: >> Why is it so hard for people to understand that var/run IS NOT >> PERSISTENT and was never meant to be?  Do they not teach basic Unix >> concepts anymore? Well, Linux is not UNIX. And it never

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Tue, October 3, 2017 13:12, hw wrote: > Alexander Dalloz writes: > >> Am 01.10.2017 um 17:21 schrieb hw: >>> Hi, >>> >>> how can I prevent files/directories like /var/run/mariadb from >>> being deleted on reboot? Lighttpd has the same problem. >>> >>> This breaks services

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 10/04/2017 04:54 AM, Mark Haney wrote: Why is it so hard for people to understand that var/run IS NOT PERSISTENT and was never meant to be?  Do they not teach basic Unix concepts anymore? http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#VARRUNRUNTIMEVARIABLEDATA While FHS notes that *files*

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 10/04/2017 01:23 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: There is a solution that saves /var/run to disk at shutdown and restores it at bootup but I can't remember what it is. The simplest solution that comes to mind at 7:30am is simply bind mounting a directory that's persistent.  You'll still need to

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Ok, folks, I have not followed this thread since the first few emails... but has anyone suggested the SCL repo? I see mysql 5.6 and 5.7 there. mark "this is not the flamewar I'm looking for. I'll move along" ___ CentOS mailing list

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 10/04/2017 08:46 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: On Wednesday 04 October 2017 13:39:30 Mark Haney wrote: I'll end this by saying, I hope the production servers you have don't provide critical services that could jeopardize the lives of people. I'd ask who you work for, to make sure I avoid them at

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 10/04/2017 08:39 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > On 10/04/2017 08:22 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: >> On Wednesday 04 October 2017 12:54:44 Mark Haney wrote: >>> Sorry, but if you have to use packages that don't originate from CentOS >>> and they do that, then I wouldn't use them. Period. I'd compile from

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 13:39:30 Mark Haney wrote: > I'll end this by saying, I hope the production servers you have don't > provide critical services that could jeopardize the lives of people.  > I'd ask who you work for, to make sure I avoid them at all costs, but > I'm not sure I'd be

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 10/04/2017 08:22 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: On Wednesday 04 October 2017 12:54:44 Mark Haney wrote: Sorry, but if you have to use packages that don't originate from CentOS and they do that, then I wouldn't use them. Period.  I'd compile from source before I used something configured that way.

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 12:54:44 Mark Haney wrote: > Sorry, but if you have to use packages that don't originate from CentOS > and they do that, then I wouldn't use them. Period.  I'd compile from > source before I used something configured that way. This perspective to some extent employs

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 10/04/2017 04:23 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: Mark, Many Non-Centos originated packages create directories in /var/run as part of the install, and expect them to still exist after a reboot. They then fail when starting the service because they're trying to create a PID / Lock file in a

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 04/10/2017 10:58, Gary Stainburn wrote: > On Wednesday 04 October 2017 09:53:59 Gary Stainburn wrote: >> I saw reference to system-tmpfs in Paul's post so I had a quick look. YUM >> doesn't seem to know about it, but I'm sure Google will help. > > Sorry, meant systemd-tmpfiles On a CentOS 7

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 09:53:59 Gary Stainburn wrote: > I saw reference to system-tmpfs in Paul's post so I had a quick look. YUM > doesn't seem to know about it, but I'm sure Google will help. Sorry, meant systemd-tmpfiles ___ CentOS mailing list

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Wednesday 04 October 2017 09:42:13 Anand Buddhdev wrote: > There's no need to do that (and it's also messy). Instead, if a package > needs a directory to exist in /var/run, then create your own config for > systemd-tmpfiles, and drop it into /etc/systemd/tmpfiles.d. Work with > CentOS 7,

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 04/10/2017 10:23, Gary Stainburn wrote: Hi Gary, > Mark, Many Non-Centos originated packages create directories in /var/run as > part of the install, and expect them to still exist after a reboot. Those packages have been built poorly. > They then fail when starting the service because

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Tuesday 03 October 2017 18:24:01 Mark Haney wrote: > What issue? That the PID is dropped on reboot?  What else are you > putting in there?  I'm beginning to question whether you know what > you're doing or not.  Lighttpd doesn't store any persistent info in > /var/run/ because, like everything

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Oct 3, 2017, at 13:12, hw wrote: > > I´m using the packages from mariadb.org. The old version that comes in > Centos isn´t recommended, and I need features only the newer versions > provide. > > > Lighttpd is from epel, and it has basically the same issue. If the

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, hw wrote: Alexander Dalloz writes: Am 01.10.2017 um 17:21 schrieb hw: Hi, how can I prevent files/directories like /var/run/mariadb from being deleted on reboot? Lighttpd has the same problem. This breaks services and makes servers

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 10/03/2017 12:04 PM, hw wrote: > marcos valentine writes: > >> You can try chattr? >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattr > > Wow, I never needed/used that. Being able to make files undeletable > might be a very useful thing ... > > as others have mentioned,

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 10/03/2017 01:12 PM, hw wrote: See https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2016/09/20/managing-temporary-files-with-systemd-tmpfiles-on-rhel7/ how to manage tmpfiles. Thanks, I´ll look into that. I wouldn´t consider a directory like /var/run/mariadb in any way as only temporary --- and

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

ect: Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted? marcos valentine <msr.mail...@gmail.com> writes: > You can try chattr? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattr Wow, I never needed/used that. Being able to make files undeletable might be a very u

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

marcos valentine writes: > You can try chattr? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattr Wow, I never needed/used that. Being able to make files undeletable might be a very useful thing ... -- "Didn't work" is an error. ___

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Alexander Dalloz writes: > Am 01.10.2017 um 17:21 schrieb hw: >> Hi, >> >> how can I prevent files/directories like /var/run/mariadb from being >> deleted on reboot? Lighttpd has the same problem. >> >> This breaks services and makes servers non-restartable by anyone else >>

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On 10/01/2017 11:21 AM, hw wrote: Hi, how can I prevent files/directories like /var/run/mariadb from being deleted on reboot? Lighttpd has the same problem. This breaks services and makes servers non-restartable by anyone else but the administrator who needs to re-create the needed files and

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

On Mon, 2 Oct 2017, marcos valentine wrote: You can try chattr? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattr I think you'll find that'd do little useful on a tmpfs volume to preserve files across reboots. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

You can try chattr? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattr 2017-10-01 12:26 GMT-03:00 Alexander Dalloz : > Am 01.10.2017 um 17:21 schrieb hw: > >> Hi, >> >> how can I prevent files/directories like /var/run/mariadb from being >> deleted on reboot? Lighttpd has the same

Re: [CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Am 01.10.2017 um 17:21 schrieb hw: Hi, how can I prevent files/directories like /var/run/mariadb from being deleted on reboot? Lighttpd has the same problem. This breaks services and makes servers non-restartable by anyone else but the administrator who needs to re-create the needed files and

[CentOS] how to prevent files and directories from being deleted?

Hi, how can I prevent files/directories like /var/run/mariadb from being deleted on reboot? Lighttpd has the same problem. This breaks services and makes servers non-restartable by anyone else but the administrator who needs to re-create the needed files and directories every time and has to