Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] some good bloat related stuff on the ICCRG agenda, IETF #86 Tuesday, March 12 2013, 13:00-15:00, room Caribbean 6

2013-02-28 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 2/28/2013 10:53 AM, Dave Taht wrote: For those that don't attend ietf meetings in person, there is usually live audio and jabber chat hooked up into the presentations. See y'all there, next month, in one form or another. In the TSVAREA meeting, we've also set aside some time to talk

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] some good bloat related stuff on the ICCRG agenda, IETF #86 Tuesday, March 12 2013, 13:00-15:00, room Caribbean 6

2013-02-28 Thread dpreed
A small suggestion. Instead of working on *algorithms*, focus on getting something actually *deployed* to fix the very real issues that we have today (preserving the option to upgrade later if need be). The folks who built the Internet (I was there, as you probably know) focused on making

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Google working on experimental 3.8 Linux kernel for Android

2013-02-28 Thread dpreed
Doesn't fq_codel need an estimate of link capacity? Where will it get that from the 4G or 3G uplink? -Original Message- From: Maciej Soltysiak mac...@soltysiak.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:03pm To: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: [Cerowrt-devel] Google working

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Google working on experimental 3.8 Linux kernel for Android

2013-02-28 Thread Jim Gettys
I've got a bit more insight into LTE than I did in the past, courtesy of the last couple days. To begin with, LTE runs with several classes of service (the call them bearers). Your VOIP traffic goes into one of them. And I think there is another as well that is for guaranteed bit rate traffic.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Google working on experimental 3.8 Linux kernel for Android

2013-02-28 Thread Jim Gettys
In short, people who build hardware devices, or device drivers, don't understand TCP. There is a first class education failure in all this. We have yet to find almost any device that isn't bloated; the only question is how badly. - Jim On Thu, Feb 28,

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Google working on experimental 3.8 Linux kernel for Android

2013-02-28 Thread dpreed
It all started when CS departments decided they didn't need EE courses or affiliation with EE depts., and continued with the idea that digital communications had nothing to do with the folks who design the gear, so all you needed to know was the bit layouts of packets in memory to be a network