Re: CNN Breaking News

2014-04-03 Thread Maureen
I still think the country would be greatly improved if everyone had one vote, then in addition to that taxpayers got more votes based on how much tax they paid. Corporations or individuals that paid no tax would not be allows to donate money to political campaigns. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:22

RE: CNN Breaking News

2014-04-03 Thread Eric Roberts
Pretty much sums it up. But are we really surprised. This is the same court that OK'd Citizens united. It is a fascist court who's only interest is to support their fascist masters... Eric -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Wednesday, April

For those who said...

2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
That legalizing same-sex marriage wasn't starting down a strange road, I give you this: http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/australian-man-marries-his-dog Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do

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2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Stupid. It would never be legal. Marriage is a legal contract. It requires consent. Animals cannot give consent. Neither can children. If that's the best someone who is against same sex marriage can come up with, its pretty pathetic. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:58 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey

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2014-04-03 Thread GMoney
You gotta admit though, that bitch makes a beautiful bride. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: Stupid. It would never be legal. Marriage is a legal contract. It requires consent. Animals cannot give consent. Neither can children. If that's the best

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2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: Stupid. It would never be legal. Marriage is a legal contract. It requires consent. Animals cannot give consent. Neither can children. If that's the best someone who is against same sex marriage can come up with, its

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2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its an argument that thoroughly irritates me, its presuming ignorance on either the person doing the arguing or they're presuming only the ignorant will accept such an argument. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:12 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: You gotta admit though, that bitch makes a

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2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
N/P you're not the only one needing caffeine this morning. pardon my over reaction. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:17 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey chumph...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: Stupid. It would never be legal. Marriage is a legal

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2014-04-03 Thread J.J. Merrick
It says a lot about our political landscape when I too thought he was being serious and about went off. I too need coffee. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: N/P you're not the only one needing caffeine this morning. pardon my over reaction. On

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2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, J.J. Merrick j...@panos.cc wrote: It says a lot about our political landscape when I too thought he was being serious and about went off. (*chuckles*) No, this was more to make people laugh (the bitch comment was funny too) than anything else. I've got other

Re: Win 7 Ultimate Key?

2014-04-03 Thread Judah McAuley
I got an email today from NewEgg advertising deals on Win 7 licenses, might try there. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know a good place to buy a legit win 7 ultimate key? It's not on the MS Store site anymore.

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2014-04-03 Thread GMoney
I don't think there is anyone on this list who is against the legalization of gay marriageor if there is, we have not heard from that person. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:34 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey chumph...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, J.J. Merrick j...@panos.cc wrote:

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2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think there is anyone on this list who is against the legalization of gay marriageor if there is, we have not heard from that person. o_O Seriously? Either you forgot the cf_sarcasm tag or your memory's a bit on

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2014-04-03 Thread GMoney
Oh? Who? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:00 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey chumph...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think there is anyone on this list who is against the legalization of gay marriageor if there is, we have not heard from

Re: For those who said...

2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:07 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Oh? Who? I think I've said it in the past that while I have no doubt that two people of the same gender can have a loving relationship and should have the same rights responsibilities of heterosexual couples and that should

Re: Win 7 Ultimate Key?

2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Micro Center here in Fairfax, VA sells OEM Win 7 perhaps there. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: I got an email today from NewEgg advertising deals on Win 7 licenses, might try there. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com

Re: Win 7 Ultimate Key?

2014-04-03 Thread LRS Scout
Thanks guys. On 4/3/14, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Micro Center here in Fairfax, VA sells OEM Win 7 perhaps there. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: I got an email today from NewEgg advertising deals on Win 7 licenses, might try

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2014-04-03 Thread GMoney
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:40 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey chumph...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:07 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Oh? Who? I think I've said it in the past that while I have no doubt that two people of the same gender can have a loving relationship and

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2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I think the issue with some like Hatton is the word Marriage. They are conflating CIVIL marriage with HOLY matrimony. Civil marriage essentially is a contract signing bonding two people in a legal familial relationship (That is also the reason why you can't marry your sister etc - aside from the

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2014-04-03 Thread Sam
So once same-sex marriage becomes the law of the land can't gays force Churches to marry them or face discrimination lawsuits? . On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: I think the issue with some like Hatton is the word Marriage. They are conflating

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2014-04-03 Thread Scott Stroz
I don't know. Can a non-veteran sue to gain membership in the VFW? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: So once same-sex marriage becomes the law of the land can't gays force Churches to marry them or face discrimination lawsuits? . On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at

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2014-04-03 Thread Scott Stroz
Can a Jewish couple sue the Catholic Church for refusing to marry them? I think this is a red herring. And, if it ever came to fruition, I would hope the courts would shoot it down. Any type of religious establishment has 'rules' that its members must adhere to. For many of these religious

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2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: Personally I'd like to see the two completely divorced. You can get married without the Religious ceremony (without the dubious benefits of the ritual). You could also engage in Religious Matrimony without the legal

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2014-04-03 Thread GMoney
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:17 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey chumph...@gmail.comwrote: I understand that there are many non-religious and anti-religious folks on this list and I'm not going to spend time trying to prosthelytize to any of them nor am I going to try to convert them to understanding my

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2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Private club so no. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know. Can a non-veteran sue to gain membership in the VFW? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: So once same-sex marriage becomes the law of the land can't gays

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2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
a civil marriage right now in many states is limited to the male female pairings. What the recent set of decisions in Utah, Virginia etc., is that that limitation via state constitution violates the 14th amendment according to the SCOTUS rulings in United States v. Windsor. This ruling has

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2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: So once same-sex marriage becomes the law of the land can't gays force Churches to marry them or face discrimination lawsuits? Many of the same-sex marriage laws specifically restrict this kind of litigation, however it does not

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2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Getting into some weird science here.Many self-professed conservatives express their opposition that way, their stance being emotional and related to disgust sensitivity (the so called Ick factor). First of all a lot of research (we've gone over the multitudes of difference research lines about

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2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
why? We are not talking about the religious ritual. That is a strawman argument. We are discussing the CIVIL marriage ceremony. Get the difference Civil - public vs Religious - private. cue Sam bringing up Incest, Bestiality and Polygamy as slippery slope arguments next. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014

Mozilla CEO Eich resigns after controversy - CNET

2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-ceo-eich-resigns-after-controversy/?tag=nl.e498s_cid=e498ttag=e498ftag=CADf0e22bf The controversy was his large donations to California's Prop 8. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

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2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:25 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just curious. Emotions are things we can't always help...when I see my gay friend kiss his partner, my instant reaction is always the same: Fucking gross!. I can't help it. It's like eating broccolimy mind/body just

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2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: cue Sam bringing up Incest, Bestiality and Polygamy as slippery slope arguments next. Which was the impetus for the article that started this entire conversation... man marries dog. And yes, I started it as a joke

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2014-04-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
As I was saying Conservatives and a heightened sense of disgust - neurophysical differences. However was it the very active limbic system that attracts some to conservatism, or being a conservative makes the limbic system more active, increases disgust sensitivity etc. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at

Re: Mozilla CEO Eich resigns after controversy - CNET

2014-04-03 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I actually think this is a shame. Would have MUCH rather have had him come out and talk about why he did so. His donation wasn't large, it was only $1000. Which for people at that level is just about a nod. I personally detest Prop 8, and the attempt to purposefully codify discrimination. But

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2014-04-03 Thread Sam
No need, they offered to let me join and I'm not a vet. . On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know. Can a non-veteran sue to gain membership in the VFW? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: So once same-sex

Re: Mozilla CEO Eich resigns after controversy - CNET

2014-04-03 Thread Sam
Sounds like a page from: After the Ball: How America Will conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s *.* On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: I actually think this is a shame. Would have MUCH rather have had him come out and talk about why he did

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2014-04-03 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
So, were they born that way, or did those with a heightened disgust sensitivity decide to be more prone to physical ick factor? =) It always comes back to choice, and nature vs nurture, doesn't it? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: Getting into some

Help with an argument about Adobe Illustrator

2014-04-03 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
We're having an argument in our house over the suggested specs for a PC. It's for my wife who is now doing design work in Adobe Illustrator. The budget is tight so we're looking where we can to pull together a system. My suggestion was to get a refurbished/off lease machine with a dual core

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2014-04-03 Thread Eric Roberts
You can Larry. You can go to a justice of the peace and get married without the religious aspects. You can also get a religious marriage that has none of the legal bindings attached to it. Thre is no requirement that if you are married by a priest that it has to be a legal marriage.

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2014-04-03 Thread Eric Roberts
No...churches can still refuse to marry people, just like they have been doing with heterosexual couples. Nothing forces them to do anything. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:37 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: For those who

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2014-04-03 Thread Eric Roberts
A handfasting can also be a legal wedding...but yes, you are correct. -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:18 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: For those who said... On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Larry C. Lyons

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2014-04-03 Thread Eric Roberts
Nor should it -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: For those who said... On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: So once same-sex marriage becomes the law

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2014-04-03 Thread Eric Roberts
Marriage is not a Christian concept. Marriage existed long before Christianity was a mote in YHVH's eye...so Christianity...or any other faith for that matter, does not have exclusive rights on the concept or the word. -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey

RE: Mozilla CEO Eich resigns after controversy - CNET

2014-04-03 Thread Eric Roberts
He was forced to do so by his employees, who were disgusted by his actions and demanded that he step down. -Original Message- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 3:12 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Mozilla CEO Eich resigns after