Statement on WTO Ruling against US on Internet Gaming.

2014-05-12 Thread Vivec
Just in case we forgot that the US still refuses to comply with a 2005 WTO ruling. This action has cost Antigua close to USD3.5bn After many, many years and the destruction of this industry in Antigua, a tiny island that depended heavily on this revenue, Caricom is making a statement.

John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Vivec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=cjuGCJJUGsg Brilliant representation of the climate change debate. ᐧ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Love it. Are there hats? indeed. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=cjuGCJJUGsg Brilliant representation of the climate change debate. ᐧ

capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2014/05/jason-read.jpg ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
So we use a word coined by Marx to indict the people with the means to actually employ others. Nice. When you show me a single capitalist free market economy we'll talk. On May 12, 2014 11:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Sam
The great thing about using comedy to support your point is facts be damned, it's a joke. I'm actually shocked they haven't admitted they're wrong on this yet. Al Gore must be tickled silly looking at his bank account. - Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread GMoney
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: - Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good you are at chess, because sooner or later that pigeon is going to knock all the pieces over, crap on the board, and strut around like it's

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
arguing with Sam is like trying to teach a pig to sing. it wastes your time and it annoys the pig. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: - Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Allow me to introduce you to what, 100 years of centralized banking, socialization, and collectivism. And that's just in the US. On May 12, 2014 11:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2014/05/jason-read.jpg

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Vivec
Because no one says they are wrong on it. Or did the ending about consensus among scientists escape you? :-) ᐧ On 12 May 2014 11:49, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually shocked they haven't admitted they're wrong on this yet.

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Managed economy is a way of not saying redistribution of wealth. On May 12, 2014 11:56 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Allow me to introduce you to what, 100 years of centralized banking, socialization, and collectivism. And that's just in the US. On May 12, 2014 11:37 AM, Larry C.

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Sam
pssst... they were actors. It's comedy. . On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Because no one says they are wrong on it. Or did the ending about consensus among scientists escape you? :-) ᐧ On 12 May 2014 11:49, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Did you read any of the actual words on that image? It was a direct response to the organized narrative from the right calling anyone without a job a parasite. It was pointing out the incorrect nature of that word as it is used by that talking point. And it suggested that the word would more

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread GMoney
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.comwrote: Did you read any of the actual words on that image? It was a direct response to the organized narrative from the right calling anyone without a job a parasite. It was pointing out the incorrect nature of that word

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
1. The word capitalism was created for communists 2. The system that is supposed to describe hasn't and probably can't exist in its pure form, much like communism 3. There are actual leeches on the system. That is when I've seen the word used, think back to old dirty bastard picking up his

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Do think the ruling class in America today is capitalists? Open question to the group. On May 12, 2014 12:01 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read any of the actual words on that image? It was a direct response to the organized narrative from the right calling anyone

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
I don't have a job. I've only ever been called a parasite and the like by lefties Again generalizations. Earned vs given On May 12, 2014 12:01 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read any of the actual words on that image? It was a direct response to the organized

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
This was great. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Because no one says they are wrong on it. Or did the ending about consensus among scientists escape you? :-) ᐧ On 12 May 2014 11:49, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually shocked they haven't

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Sam
This is better: http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Charles-Krauthammer-Science-is-hardly-a-science-5261201.php . On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com wrote: This was great. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com

re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread Jeff Garza
Wow... that description sounds a lot like... Government. Original Message From: Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:37 AM To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Subject: capitalism

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Krauthamer is a hack. He is not a scientist, and gets the most basic facts wrong consistently. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: This is better: http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Charles-Krauthammer-Science-is-hardly-a-science-5261201.php . On Mon,

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
So Adam Smith, the writer of An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, and originator of the idea of Free Enterprise, is a Communist? Wow given that he lived well before Marx and Engels that's pretty impressive.

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Sam
Yeah, we know you don't like him, probably because he has a phd or he's in a wheelchair or something. Anyway, what did you think of his comment about scientific consensus? Like say, this tidbit: The debate is settled, asserted propagandist in chief Barack Obama in his latest State of the Union

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Vivec
Would you prefer that there is consensus on Global Warming? Because that's all that is needed to act. We are still investigating Gravity, but the fact that it exists is pretty much settled...sorry...there is consensus that it exists. Playing with words doesn't alter that. He sounds like a paid

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread Judah McAuley
I do not think they are capitalists, I think that it is a plutocracy. Any notion that there has been a mostly capitalist economy in the country should have ended with to big to fail. I believe that there have been times when our country has been more capitalist and less capitalist. Capitalism

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
*William Makepeace Thackeray - credited by oxford* The origin of the word ‘capitalist’ is of much earlier vintage: in French, A. R. J. Turgot (1727-1781) used ‘capitaliste’ in his essay, ‘Reflection on the Formation and Distribution of Wealth’ (1769-1770), and WilliamGodwin used its

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Your pendulum description is right on with what I think about American politics, only instead of slowing down and eventually settling in the middle it accelerates with each swing. I'm afraid we've gone to far towards democracy, given up too much, to go back peacefully now. But then again, maybe

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Too far towards democracy? Could you explain what you mean there? It feels like we are continuously headed toward plutocracy (Citizens United and the like just codified it) rather than democracy, but perhaps I misunderstand what you are trying to say. Cheers, Judah On Mon, May 12, 2014 at

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
I mean legislating in fear towards security, even in violations of the principals of this country and doing so because of popular support, or at least apathy. Citizens United is a perfect example of Democracy over Republicanism to my mind. On 5/12/14, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
The drug war. The IRS. The defense industry. These are all the child of the voter. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:14 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I mean legislating in fear towards security, even in violations of the principals of this country and doing so because of popular

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread Eric Roberts
There hasnt been a free market in modern times...if there ever was... Eric On May 12, 2014 10:46 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: So we use a word coined by Marx to indict the people with the means to actually employ others. Nice. When you show me a single capitalist free market

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Bush an Obama could not have pushed through the legislative agenda they and their masters have without first controlling the legislature and the judiciary both. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:15 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: The drug war. The IRS. The defense industry. These are

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Basically my point. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: There hasnt been a free market in modern times...if there ever was... Eric On May 12, 2014 10:46 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: So we use a word coined by Marx to indict

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Think about what you just said Eric. However in our nation at least, the lighter the hand has been, the better the results. Look I'm not an anarchist, or a big L libertarian.I know individuals become corrupt, that's the problem, in the private sector more easily than in government probably,at

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
However by tying the term capitalist and the idea of the ruling class or elite together, as though they are related; he is being disingenuous at least. The defenses of his point in turn making my own. I'll be here all week ;) On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:26 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
oh oh oh I got another one. He is speaking of a symbiot not a parasite. par·a·site ˈparəˌsīt/ *noun* 1. an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense. *symbiont * (ˈsɪmbɪˌɒnt)

Re: John Olivier puts climate change into perspective

2014-05-12 Thread Sam
Gravity has been tested and in most cases it's proven. AGW has never been successfully tested. As for consensus, you can't just say scientist think something might be so and call it settled science. That goes against the scientific method. But you know that. . On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 1:44

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Gotcha. I wouldn't call it Democracy, myself, but I get where you are coming from. If you look at Citizens United and the like, they are a result of Judiciary, which is definitely not a Democratic institution, even if one is vital to a Republic or a Democracy. You do have a point about

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Thank you Judah for that excellent summary of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations. On Monday, May 12, 2014, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: I do not think they are capitalists, I think that it is a plutocracy. Any notion that there has been a mostly capitalist economy in the country

Huge Antarctic ice sheet collapsing - Technology Science - CBC News

2014-05-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/huge-antarctic-ice-sheet-collapsing-1.2639989?cmp=rss presented without comment. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: capitalism

2014-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Now how did I miss that, sure does! On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Jeff Garza j...@garzasixpack.com wrote: Wow... that description sounds a lot like... Government. Original Message From: Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:37 AM To: