[CF-metadata] How to encode "not occurring" as distinct from "missing data"

2019-07-19 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear all, We are considering how best to store data produced by some computation where there has to be a distinction between missing input data (i.e. no input data available) and "not occurring" (i.e. input data exists but the computation did not result in a valid numeric value). In practice,

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard names KWIC Index

2019-05-10 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear Robert, Alison, Having not much previous experience of a KWIC index I had a quick look at the web page. And my impression is that it would be very useful when looking for already existing standard names, and even more useful when constructing new ones based on existing patterns. I think

Re: [CF-metadata] same attribute name in variable and in global

2019-03-27 Thread Bärring Lars
l [david.hass...@ncas.ac.uk] Skickat: den 27 mars 2019 15:22 Till: Bärring Lars Kopia: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Ämne: Re: [CF-metadata] same attribute name in variable and in global Hi Lars, Thanks for bringing this up. Here is the background, as I understand it, to the data model description of

[CF-metadata] same attribute name in variable and in global

2019-03-15 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear all, I have come across many CMIP5 files that have the same attribute [name] attached to the data variable as found in the globals. In particular it seems that CMOR was writing variable processing history attached to the variable, and more general file processing in the global history.

Re: [CF-metadata] Two [simple] questions

2019-01-28 Thread Bärring Lars
Hello Martin, Thanks for the response, the Zenodo guide document is really helpful! /Lars Från: Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC [martin.juc...@stfc.ac.uk] Skickat: den 28 januari 2019 12:57 Till: Bärring Lars; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Ämne: Re: Two [simple

Re: [CF-metadata] Two [simple] questions

2019-01-24 Thread Bärring Lars
Nan --- Just to better understand your setup: the data you are referring to comes from a totalizer rain gauge, where the data may look like day i, 321 mm day j, 321 mm day k, 333 mm day l, 333 mm day k, 399 mm and this is what you record , and store? /Lars

[CF-metadata] Two [simple] questions

2019-01-24 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear all, Two simple questions of understanding: 1. If I have (observed) daily precipitation with unit mm/day and want to store this in a CF compliant file, should I use standard name --- "lwe_thickness_of_precipitation_amount" with canonical unit metre and the "per day" part is inferred from

Re: [CF-metadata] 'months since' and 'years since' time units

2018-10-20 Thread Bärring Lars
n Oct 19, 2018, at 5:13 AM, Bärring Lars <mailto:lars.barr...@smhi.se> wrote: Dear all, I agree with Jonathan's wish for a more well-behaved Earth in the planetary system :-) However, awaiting this I think that we have two issues before us: 1. The fact that different datasets fundamental

Re: [CF-metadata] 'months since' and 'years since' time units

2018-10-19 Thread Bärring Lars
is specified, time data values are >> displayed as human-readable date-time strings rather than numerical values, >> interpreted in terms of a `calendar' variable attribute, if specified. ... >> Calendar attribute values interpreted with this option include the CF >> Conventio

Re: [CF-metadata] 'months since' and 'years since' time units

2018-10-18 Thread Bärring Lars
hich gives 84600 seconds. regards, Martin From: CF-metadata mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu>> on behalf of Bärring Lars mailto:lars.barr...@smhi.se>> Sent: 18 October 2018 09:29:50 To: Ryan Abernathey; whitaker.jeff...@gmail.com<mailto:whi

Re: [CF-metadata] 'months since' and 'years since' time units

2018-10-18 Thread Bärring Lars
Hi, I have have come to think about this from a somewhat different perspective. For some analyses, as well as when calculating certain derived climatological statistics (aka climate indices), using datasets based on different calendars the problem becomes obvious. In the model world of a

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-04-05 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear Jonathan, David, Jon, I would be in favour to changing the sum cell method to something else, as it took me a while to grasp that "sum" is the opposite of "point". But having a cell_method specifying "cell" as the method could very well be as confusing. But how about "cell_total" (to

Re: [CF-metadata] Overstated restriction on references to external variables in version 1.7

2017-04-05 Thread Bärring Lars
Hello Martin, David, all, Martin raises an relevant point, even though it took me minute or two to see the difference. Now :"The only CF standard attribute which is allowed to refer to external variables is cell_measures." meaning that that only the CF standard attribute cell_measures is

Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard names for climatological statistics based on thresholds

2017-03-29 Thread Bärring Lars
distinction is needed; but if No then it may not have to be made in the standard name. It could be recorded in a non-standardised way instead. Best wishes Jonathan - Forwarded message from Bärring Lars <lars.barr...@smhi.se> - > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 15:02:02 + > Fro

Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard names for climatological statistics based on thresholds

2017-03-28 Thread Bärring Lars
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[CF-metadata] Request for new standard names for climatological statistics based on thresholds

2017-03-24 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear all, Several standard names oriented towards climate indices for various impacts are based on thresholds, and the standard name includes the construct "..._above_threshold" or "..._below_threshold". However, several well-established climate indices use non-strict inequalities in their

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-22 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear Jim, all, This list is very interesting and helpful. I think that most of them if not all are similar, in structure at least, to the ones we are working on. To what extent you already managed to find a CF description to describe the them? I am asking because the ones that we are working

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-22 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear all, Some further comments (top posting because my email reader does not easily handle inline comments) 1. I think that it is essential to also capture the temperature threshold used to calculate the GDD. The Wikipedia article suggests that 10 degC is most common (or even standard), but

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-21 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear Jon, dear all, Many thanks for raising this issue, and for moving the discussion towards the summary below. Indeed, it is timely to raise this issue. As it happens, within the European IS-ENES2 project we had a small technical workshop last week dealing with closely related issues. Among

[CF-metadata] Metadata/standard names for variables involving thresholds (e.g. climate indices)

2016-09-26 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear all, Before the summer I asked in separate emails a few questions related to standard names. Based on the responses I have worked on this a bit more and made some good progress, but there still are some open issues that I am trying to wrap my head around. Most of the issues are related

Re: [CF-metadata] clarification of standard name integral_of_Y_wrt_X

2016-05-23 Thread Bärring Lars
egory Sent: den 23 maj 2016 15:03 To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Subject: [CF-metadata] clarification of standard name integral_of_Y_wrt_X Dear Lars Best wishes Jonathan - Forwarded message from Bärring Lars <lars.barr...@smhi.se> - > Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 09:19:47 + >

[CF-metadata] clarification of standard name integral_of_Y_wrt_X

2016-05-23 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear all, I am trying to find CF compliant representations of various degree-day indices and find the standard name integral_of_air_temperature_excess_wrt_time with the following description: "integral_of_Y_wrt_X" means int Y dX. The data variable should have an axis for X specifying

Re: [CF-metadata] climatological statistics --- climate indices

2016-05-16 Thread Bärring Lars
processing of axes in cf-trac.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/82. Something like time: mean within years (period: 1 month) time: mean over years time: range might work. Best wishes Jonathan - Forwarded message from Bärring Lars <lars.barr...@smhi.se> - > Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:09:25 +00

Re: [CF-metadata] climatological statistics --- climate indices

2016-05-13 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear Jonathan, > > But how about common continentality indices based on the annual range of > > monthly mean temperatures? > > Is there a "within months" such that the cell method for the basic element > > of the continentality index would be "time: mean within months time: range > > within

Re: [CF-metadata] climatological statistics --- climate indices

2016-05-13 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear Jonathan, Thanks for these clarifications. > > 1. Is there a standard name for "diurnal temperature range", or a combined > > standard name/cell method representation? Cf. the 2010 mail archive thread > > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/pipermail/cf-metadata/2010/054016.html that > > added

[CF-metadata] climatological statistics --- climate indices

2016-05-12 Thread Bärring Lars
Dear All, In a project we are trying to come up with CF compliant description of a range of climate indices (aka indices of climate extremes, ...), of which most I would believe fall under the heading "7.4 Climatological statistics". This is not a new topic for this email list; there was an