Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-10 Thread Gustav UHLANDER
Elliot Sent: den 10 januari 2014 01:32 To: Sander Steffann Cc: cisco-nsp Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment Hi, So, just to clarify - You can purchase refurb/secondhand Cisco kit and then purchase a smartnet contract for software access/updates(And also

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-10 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, January 10, 2014 10:38:03 AM Gustav UHLANDER wrote: I think the more expensive kit the more checks are performed. Also notice if you are cisco partner then you might be excluded from that if you buy second hand equipment (registered partners can only buy equipment from dists)

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-10 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, More money than purchasing new? Smartnet on a secondhand vs new is the same price? I once looked at getting a bunch second-hand c1841s, re-licensing IOS and getting them inspected and covered by SmartNet, and the total price was higher than just buying new c1841s with SmartNet. -

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-10 Thread Gustav UHLANDER
@puck.nether.net Cc: Gustav UHLANDER; John Elliot; Sander Steffann Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment On Friday, January 10, 2014 10:38:03 AM Gustav UHLANDER wrote: I think the more expensive kit the more checks are performed. Also notice if you are cisco partner

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-10 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, January 10, 2014 01:04:35 PM Gustav UHLANDER wrote: Hello mark. What I meant was the more expensive kit as in higher range platforms (6500/7600 platform for instance). There seems to be some checks done when you as a partner buy smartnet for those platforms. Compared to the

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-09 Thread Chris Marget
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:55 PM, John Elliot johnellio...@hotmail.comwrote: So, just to clarify - You can purchase refurb/secondhand Cisco kit and then purchase a smartnet contract for software access/updates(And also hardware replacement)? But you cant purchase (legally) refurb/secondhand

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-09 Thread John Elliot
I assume license infers purchasing the IOS you require? (So, if you require adv enterprise, you must purchase the license for it) But you can purchase smartnet on secondhand kit, and you have full access to download whatever software you want? (But this would be deemed illegal?) On Thu,

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-09 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, So, just to clarify - You can purchase refurb/secondhand Cisco kit and then purchase a smartnet contract for software access/updates(And also hardware replacement)? Maybe, but Cisco is going to charge you a lot of money for that. But you cant purchase (legally) refurb/secondhand kit

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-09 Thread John Elliot
Hi, So, just to clarify - You can purchase refurb/secondhand Cisco kit and then purchase a smartnet contract for software access/updates(And also hardware replacement)? Maybe, but Cisco is going to charge you a lot of money for that. More money than purchasing new? Smartnet on

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-08 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 05:54:28PM -0500, Chris Marget wrote: FWIW, it seems that the security fixes might be available for free, so long as Cisco PSIRT recognizes a vulnerability in a particular bit of software. ...But the document describing that process suggests calling TAC, which

[c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Chris Marget
I'm curious to hear experience stories from anyone who's explored the hardware inspection and relicensing program: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/hw_sw_relicensing_program.html Specifically, I'm curious about: - the inspection process/logistics - the costs associated with the inspection - the

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, January 07, 2014 04:50:46 PM Chris Marget wrote: I'm curious to hear experience stories from anyone who's explored the hardware inspection and relicensing program: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/hw_sw_relicensing_program .html Specifically, I'm curious about: - the

[c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread scott owens
We bought a bunch of 6500s a few years back, saved a bundle ... however now the E chassis are the only ones supported for Sup720s/VSS/Sup32-10s so any of the gear we bought that was non-E .. has to be replaced. Still cheaper. We can get a Sup32-10G for $2K. Cisco wants 20+K. I can put a few

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Alan Buxey
What about support with Cisco (eg TAC) and software updates, security patches, bug fixes etc? alan -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Chris Marget
My primary interest with this query is to do everything above-board from a software licensing perspective. Hardware support (warranty) and TAC support is a secondary concern. Software updates, on the other hand, do kind of matter. Is there a right way to handle software updates without a

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, January 07, 2014 07:33:24 PM scott owens wrote: It really depends I think on the level of technology you are looking for - Nexus 7K, 6800 ... gotta go with Cisco. 6500, 2960s, 3850/ ... you can pick up in alternate market. Agree, the grey market won't help you for modern

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Blake Dunlap
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: They call this Cisco Remarket. It's like selling a car to someone else two minutes after it leaves the showroom. As a buyer you get a discount, but you're better off buying a new unit yourself. Mark. But you're legally

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Andrew Miehs
If you can't afford new Cisco hardware for production, then find another platform. You NEED to be able to update the software on the boxes. These devices become a danger to the Internet if you don't keep up to date with the security fixes. Running them for a home lab is another story. Regards

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Chris Marget
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Andrew Miehs and...@2sheds.de wrote: If you can't afford new Cisco hardware for production, then find another platform. According to this thread, even those who can afford new Cisco hardware are going to have a problem unless they can *also* afford a support

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 07/01/2014 22:54, Chris Marget wrote: FWIW, it seems that the security fixes might be available for free, so long as Cisco PSIRT recognizes a vulnerability in a particular bit of software. ...But the document describing that process suggests calling TAC, which doesn't usually go well if the

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Tony
...@marget.com; Andrew Miehs and...@2sheds.de Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment On 07/01/2014 22:54, Chris Marget wrote: FWIW, it seems that the security fixes might be available

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Jeff Kell
For some hardware, especially the fixed-chassis Catalysts, there is a limited lifetime warranty that is supposed to include software updates, particularly those related to security defects and known release defects. However, the current TAC downloads will show releases, but requests a login to

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Chris Russell
Running them for a home lab is another story. It's another story from the vulnerability perspective, but the same story from the am I entitled to run this software? perspective, which is the one I'd like to better understand. Good luck with that. I've been trying to clarify something

Re: [c-nsp] Re-licensing secondhand Cisco equipment

2014-01-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, January 07, 2014 09:55:39 PM Blake Dunlap wrote: But you're legally allowed to run the software that came on the car. Agree - I'm talking about what happens in real life. Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.