“Why do others race? How did you learn?”
For me it’s like any other pursuit - skiing, bicycling, golf, tennis, whatever
- if you go out with people who are better than you, you’ll learn and improve.
That’s why I started out crewing on other people’s boats. Besides rehearsing
basic blocking
+1 on Zephyrworkd
Marek
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From: Sam Salter via CnC-List
Date: 2021-01-30 17:25 (GMT-05:00)
To: Stus-List
Cc: Sam Salter
Subject: Stus-List Re: masthead sheave thoughts?
I replaced my Rope/wire halyards with all rope about 12 or 13 years ago. But I
also
INHO, Magic was just slower than Luna Rossa for some reason(s).
I also think Spithill was better than Barker in the prestarts—maybe because
Magic was slower—it’s complicated.
OTOH, Luna’s victory over a slower/handicapped boat and crew in this round
robin is unlikely to mean much when they face
Great thread! Great points. I do love the competition, and it has made me a
much better sailor. Started racing PHRF on a hunter 33,38,46 same owner kept
upgrading. He could have had a J/120 but the wife would not let him upgrade
without a washer and dryer!
Regardless it was competition, and fun
Take them to a local machine shop. They should have no problem either
turning the existing ones to get the wire groove out or making a new set
with "rounder" grooves.
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 6:52 PM Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Our single fleet club is organized as
Yes. In fact, he owned a C 30 XL Gremellen? rigged identically to my 36 XL. I
invited his then crew to come and race my new to me 36 soon after I had her
delivered to NC.
We smoked the local PHRF spinnaker fleet since his crew was both excellent and
were racing a boat almost identical to his
FWIW, I sent my OEM "veed for wire" sheaves to Zepherwerks and he made me new
sheaves for rope and new axles too. He called me and said the sheaves didn't
need replacing, but I chose to do it as I can't see doing all that work to put
old parts back in. He was very reasonable. Now is a good
Ok, thanks all - I’m convinced. Will replace the main halyard sheave anyway.
Will splurge on something super low friction, rather than replacing all 5.
Chuck S’s earlier email and its replies got me thinking about cumulative
friction and seemingly free-running blocks binding under load.
I got some sheeves for the girlfriends boat from zypher works. He is a one man
shop working out of his barn. Needed 4 sheeves. Was told to go get lunch, when
I got back they were done and mounted into the mast head fitting. Converted
from wire rope to 3/8 line. Doug Mountjoysv Rebecca Leah C
I think the wire groove is not helping any, but in looking at your
pictures, it looked pretty rough. I think a nice smooth sheave would go a
long ways.
Bill
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 7:11 PM Dave S via CnC-List
wrote:
> Do you believe that very shallow wire groove is wearing my halyard? I
> find
Hi Adam
The masthead on mine is also welded completely, the axles for the
sheaves come out the sides. Assuming yours is the same, on the side
there will be a little stainless plate screwed onto the mast, get an
impact driver to use to get the screw out and then give the stainless
plate a
Charlie,
This thread has been interesting. I was wondering, since you mentioned Old
Dominion, if you ran across Greg Cutter, professor at ODU who was an active
member of this list and is a serious racer? He and I have raced together, in
the past and recently Double-handed Down the Bay races
Get your sheaves from www.zephyrwerks.com. I have one which I removed from
my old mast. It's in very good condition. 3 1/4"d X 1/2" X 1/2" pin
diameter. $35 plus postage.
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 1:54 PM Dave S via CnC-List
wrote:
> My
Our 33-ll the top lifts off . . .
Paul
From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 5:30:26 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Adam Hayden
Subject: Stus-List Re: masthead sheave thoughts?
This is a timely post. How do you access the sheaves at the top of
Dave,
We had garhauer make new sheaves for Perception. The 2 aft ones were fine with
their stock offerings, the 3 forward were a tad narrower, and I ended up
sending them one of our old ones to replicate the sizing. The old ones had
razor sharp edges from rubbing the mast head casting. Great
Do you believe that very shallow wire groove is wearing my halyard? I find it
hard to believe but what do I know... the sheaves are otherwise in good shape
since I rebushed them.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2021, at 6:28 PM, Bruno Lachance
> wrote:
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> Dave,
>
> This place
Pfff... get real.
You think JP Morgan had a boat with his company name on it in huge
letters? The $100m boats can only be done with massive sponsorship,
with boats covered in logos and the race course overlaid in sponsor
names at the boundary. The offshore racing of old didn't have shore
Chuck,
That a good question with valid answers. I would add, it pulls the
families together. On my boat I have three generation enjoying (most of
the time) the exaltation of a good competitive team sport, afterwards
sitting below laughing at some the stunts pulled during the race, and
then
Our single fleet club is organized as a social racing club to distinguish us
from the two brick and mortar clubs in our bay. Our tag line is “Serious Fun,
not Serious Racing”. We generally get about 45 boats ranging from true racing
machines to 22 foot cruisers using volunteer committee boats
Dave,
This place has been recomended many times on this list. I ordered new sheaves
and pins from them ( mast and boom). Mot cheap but Very please with the quality.
Like you, i also experiment wear with similar « hybrid wire rope sheaves »
https://www.zephyrwerks.com/
Bruno Lachance
Bécassine
Yeah, my sheave box was bolted on!
sam
C$C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta
On Jan 30, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List
wrote:
This is a timely post. How do you access the sheaves at the top of the mast?
My masthead is welded completely. I have seen other masts where the
Sorry, a different situation, Mine's a breeze... unbolt the top and lift
out the entire axle, each end of which simply sits captive in a groove on
either side of the mast.
Dave 33-2 (non-foiling)
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 at 17:30, Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> This is a
This is a timely post. How do you access the sheaves at the top of the mast?
My masthead is welded completely. I have seen other masts where the top plate
is bolted on.
Adam
C 36
Pictou NS
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the
costs involved. If you
I replaced my Rope/wire halyards with all rope about 12 or 13 years ago. But I
also replaced the masthead sheaves:
https://www.zephyrwerks.com/
I haven’t noticed any significant wear on the halyards.
When I replaced the sheaves I also rebuilt the sheave box at the top of the
mast. There were
+1 on why race Chuck. All your points are valid and they match my own reasons
for doing it—plus a few more.
I got into sailing late in life and had a terrific mentor who was a champion
sailor at Old Dominion in college. So I learned what it took to get a boat to
maximize its potential—all in
I was able to replace my jib masthead sheaves by sending them to Garhauer in
California. They made new ones and shipped them out. Perfect fit. I still
have wire-to-rope for my main halyard. That'll be next, as soon as I figure
out how to change the exit block at the mast base.
Bob Mann
>
My all-rope main halyard is wearing somewhat after 4 seasons or so, and I
should probably replace it..
It is often stated that when transitioning from wire/rope to all rope
halyards, that sheaves must be replaced with an appropriate type,
presumably without any wire groove.
The main halyard is
Sort of funny how all the egos go for the line i did it many times take him
up no room to go up no protests nobody wants to go to protests. Fleet
racing accidents happen. Then after the aggressive start line close packed
maneuvers things spread out, crew loses focus and then another chance for
https://www.mauriprosailing.com/mm5/Tylaska/images/pi/AAFK/1-Tylaska-Peeling-Shackles_T2.jpg
From: cenelson via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 3:36 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: cenelson
Subject: Stus-List Re: asail flown from spinnaker pole
Not
And certainly Italians did not have to help, but they did.
AC is not for amateurs. This is a F1 for sailing, or actually more leading edge.
The fact that we are talking about it shows that it is sailing. And it gets us
exited.
Marek
Ottawa On
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From: CHARLES
Not familiar with handcuffs as you refer to them?
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On Saturday, January 30, 2021, 4:36 AM, Matthew via CnC-List
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Two days before that picture was taken on the Race Fleet site, my spinnaker,
sissy sock and genoa got all wrapped up, and I ended up motoring into Port
Dover with my genoa stuck up, in 20 some kts of wind. An interesting day. You
can see me up the mast cutting it all out.
All I had for that 5
Video tape all starts from the committee boat and use these for review. Always
surprising how far from the line boats are at the start, especially in the
middle of the line.
Our local group (multiple clubs in one organization) implemented golf-style
handicapping last year. We call it Delta
I was just pointed to this site for a description of the process. Sounds
pretty easy to gybe, for those who already do a full spinnaker.
http://www.epsails.com/Gybing_an_Asymmetric.htm
Bob
> On 01/30/2021 1:13 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
> wrote:
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>
> I
Don't be a "Debbie Downer"
New Zealand didn't have to help. There have been many America's Cups with only
one Challenger like Sir Thomas Lipton, Sopwith etc. New Zealand against
Conner. America's Oracle against the Swiss Alinghi. In fact more single
challengers than multiple ones. New
I don't think NZ had much choice but to help fix the boat, otherwise the
series would have immediately lost 4 to 7 races - a big hit to
advertisers. And this running of the AC already looks fairly sad in
terms of number of participants. At one point Ken Read was going on
about the teams and
Hi Dwight,
I think Italy got faster, during the time America needed to repair their boat
plus I think America tweaked some things on their boat that complicated their
performance and reversed the progress they had made. It's a shame they didn't
win one race.
The bigger story that I'm
Wow! I like the seven times round. Especially if they have to survive some
strong storms.
Chuck
> On 01/30/2021 1:03 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List
> wrote:
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> Yes best of 7 around the Isle
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 1:26 PM jameshesketh via CnC-List <
>
I actually have what my former sail maker called a reaching kite which I think
could be similar to your Single Luff Spinnaker although it might just be a
smaller symmetric kite--I need to have a close look at it. The sail maker never
referred to it as an A-kite.
My usual masthead kite is PHRF
Proper approach and attitude Chuck. Good stuff you post
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 1:52 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Why race?
>
> If you consider the benefits of racing; learning to sail better, getting a
> boat to perform at it's highest efficiency, learning
Yes best of 7 around the Isle
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 1:26 PM jameshesketh via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Wouldn’t it be great if Ineos took the cup back to Britain and they called
> for the next round to circle the Isle of Wight in J-Boats?
>
> One can only dream . . ..
>
> On
American Magic lost those races before they crossed the start line. They
had no confidence in their repaired boat and a reason for that showed up in
the last race. The foil got stuck up so they had no way to tack. I thought
for a moment they might run her into the spectator fleet or go aground on
Why race?
If you consider the benefits of racing; learning to sail better, getting a boat
to perform at it's highest efficiency, learning how to trim sails properly,
learning to use the tide and currents, learning a few racing rules and signal
flags, learning how to develop and manage crew
In our fleet, the Spinnaker is just that, usually on weekends, with a few races
interspersed in the evening instead of the Wed Nite Jams. This usually only
brings out around a dozen entries.
Then, the Wed JAMs at 7 PM, usually with a fixed start at the corner of our
club, occasionally with
Wouldn’t it be great if Ineos took the cup back to Britain and they called for
the next round to circle the Isle of Wight in J-Boats?
One can only dream . . ..
> On Jan 30, 2021, at 11:31 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
> wrote:
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>
> America's Cup News
> FWIW, America patched their
I would say it is about the same size as the Sym sail, as the Luff is a little
longer, and the leech a little shorter.
I wouldn’t compare it to any of the A-0 – A-3 sails, They seem to be flatter.
When he first started making these, he just called them Single Luff Spinnaker.
The leech is
The gate I made from aluminum flooring edging for our 29-2 is the one on
the Photoalbum. It worked well.
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/sailgate/sailgate.htm
The previous sail gate I made for my Shark was laminated in place from
carbon fiber and epoxy (in a plastic bag) then trimmed to
America's Cup News
FWIW, America patched their boat (amazing story) and got back racing but lost
four races to Italy. They're out. England and Italy will race each other to
decide who will challenge New Zealand.
Thanks to YouTube I'll get to see the amazing coverage with so many onboard
Locally we have had some success getting 'cruisers' out by running distance
races with pursuit starts (based on PHRFs) just prior to (or after) our regular
spin and non-spin fleet racing starts. This has increased the number of boats
racing by about 50%.
All kinds of cruisers come out with
David
Suggest you contact the Mudheads and commodores of area clubs. Mudheads have
conducted the Wednesday night series very successfully for years. They also
have several certified PRO members. They also contract out as race committee
for some area clubs for their weekend regattas. Greg
Biggest problem sometimes is for every boat to get enough crew to do well.
A lot of us single hand quite a bit. Single handed or doubled handed race
fleets might get more boats involved
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 10:59 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> I noticed looking
I noticed looking at Bill’s link about his spinnaker that his club has three
racing fleets: Spinnaker, Family JAM and Jib & Main. I don’t know what those
represent, but am curious.
I am in charge of racing for our club this year (for the first time) and one of
the things I am looking into is
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