Over the winter, I rebuilt the Barient 2-sp 28s that were original on my
‘85 37. Only had to replace the springs. Pawls appeared to have been
replaced a few years ago but showed minimal wear; the gears and bearings
were well greased by previous owners and in good shape. I’d say maintenance
matters
I race and cruise our 34 - love the boat and have owned for 24 years. Came
with Barient 28 as primary mounted aft and 22 as secondary mounted forward.
Under powered for the 155 genoa and symmetrical spin. Got some used Barient
32 about 20 years ago. Mounted aft for genoa. Moved 28 to secondary
Yeah Don,it
Had a similar incident when a crewmember stood on the genoa sheet while being
released (footblock) and the lower spreader punched through my beautiful 150.
We almost hove-to, before tackin back to clear it, sorting it all out. Got
second in that race and spent $$$ to patch the
You can get a winch service kit from Lewmar/Defender/West Marine with grease,
pawls, springs, etc for a few bucks.
Clean them up, replace any bad springs/pawls, light oil on the pawls, grease
(from kit) on spindles/teeth (?), reassemble and you will be likely as good as
new. There are Lewmar
If you open the winches in the water (and even on the hard), I suggest using a
shoebox method. Pawls have strange affinity to water.
As Chuck said: “If done every two years they will last forever”.
Marek
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 7:52 PM
To:
Servicing winches is very worthwhile. Can't believe you race and don't service
your winches at least annually. A skipper must take steps to ensure the boat
is properly prepared for the crew. You will learn on the first one, and kick
yourself after, because of how easy it is to do. Take your
Nathan,
Nice winches! Thanks for the input. A power ratio of 50 would certainly ease
the effort. As I mentioned in my other response, it seems a good cleaning,
greasing, and inspection of wear might be in order first.
Jeff
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Brian,
Thanks for the note about the "ewincher". Makes a lot of sense for cost and
maintenance reasons. But, having lost a couple winch handles overboard, I
doubt the $1650 ewincher floats. Could be something to consider for the future
when my arms are just too old. Not there yet!
Mike and others who have provided valuable input,
This information on electric is very useful. I wasn't intending to purchase
electric in any case due to cost.
I went to boat this afternoon. Ashamed to say I did not even know what size
the existing winches are. They are Lewmar/England 42ST,
I replaced the primaries on my previous boat, 35 MKII, with Lewmar 48 3
speeds. A friend upgraded to self-tailers and I got a deal on them.
I used to yell 'grind, grind, grind' to the crew. Once I put these on, I
started yelling 'stop, stop, stop'.
Yep.
A pair of Barient 32 ST, look like SS. $2,500. I think that is a sweet
deal.
I paid 2K over 10 years ago for a pair of those, and was thrilled to get
them.
Currently spoiled to death with Harken Electric 66 3 speed Primaries
Bill Coleman
Entrada Erie PA
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 6:11 PM
Caution on a late release of a genoa. The boat has a 155% North 3Di,
which has been raced 13 times. The last race, on the last tack, leeward
crew did a late release, resulting in the spreader punching a hole just
above the spreader patch. Yes, North is going to add a little more
height to
Always have a look for used winches on eBay. If they were used Lewmars, these
are mostly indestructible so used is fine. That is how I got my ST Lewmar 44s
at $500 each. Compared to ~ $2000 each new.
Charlie NelsonWater phantom
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On Tuesday, September 12,
On my C mark I, I replaced the primary winches with Lewmar 42's. I used to
sail/race with a 170 but now our class has limited the largest sail to 155. 62
yo and still occasionally single-hand in races.
Letting the jib/genoa backwind so the wind is pushing the bow into the turn
before
Tacking advice: Always remove any slack from the lazy sheet after each tack.
When you turn the boat, the release is more important than the sheeting in.
Start your tack, turning the boat ready to release, then wait till about a
third of the genoa is backwinded, release that side and slow
We had a C 34 that we bought new in 1981, and had the boat until 2018.
The first thing that we did was to replace the primaries with Barient 28
self-tailing winches.
I'm not sure what size that equates to with other brands now that Barient is
no longer around.
We flew a 153% jib, raced a lot,
Persistence came to us with Electric Lewmar 43ST winches for the primaries.
There were no secondaries. For cruising ease the primaries had been located
where secondaries normally would be and the mounting locations for the original
primaries were faired and painted over. The second set of
I am glad the subject of tacking a large genoa came up. I have a great deal of
trouble with my 145 genoa trying to get it so it does not require extensive
winching. What tends to happen is that the clew of the genoa folds back on
itself at the mast as you come head to wind and then gets
Some other thoughts:
For whatever you decide, believe both WM and Defender have BOGO days on
winches during the year which could help reduce the wallet pain.
Electric winches are more than a little $ more. Have heard / read good
things about the "eWincher" as a viable alternative for
Nathan,
Thanks for this data point! I wish it were possible to test run some winches
before buying -- hah! ST50 seems large, but better a little large than two
small.
Jeff
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 1:00 PM
To: Stus-List
Mike,
Thanks for the data point. The two boats are very similar. I don't think
Lewmar makes a 43 anymore. I am seeing a 40 and a 45. According to the Lewmar
charts a 40 is correctly sized for the C But, I am thinking about the 45
-- either Lewmar or other manufacturer -- to include the
Yes, point well taken on slowing the turn. I have gotten fairly good at
keeping an eye on the competition, chart plotter, headsail, and the trimmers
while tacking. Overall it's much better to take the turn a little slower and
limit the grinding. But, even minimal grinding with current
Hi Jeff,
I replaced my primaries on my 34 with Anderson ST 50 winches in 2000. They
seem sized correctly to me - I certainly wouldn't go smaller. They work
fine for hauling in my 135 Genoa fully loaded up but it is about all a
typical crew can handle by themselves. If I was to do it again, I
I second Charlie's points about the timing; it took my a while to learn to turn
the wheel more slowly to allow the trimmers to get the line in!
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville,
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
Hi Jeff
We have a Frers 33. The foretriangle dimensions are similar. On F33 I=45.0,
J=13.33 . On C I=44, J=14
We have Lewmar 43 ST for primaries and they are adequately sized
On a side note we purchased Lewmar 30ST for cabintop halyard winches in 2014.
I think they have doubled in price
I still have the original headsail winches on my 1995 C 36 XL/kcb--Lewmar
50s self-tailing 2 speed IIRC--although I moved them forward for my local
racing needs. I also added a set of Lewmar 44s to make kite handling more
reasonable. If this combination of 'power' is not enough, I need to get
Jeff,
The second Enterprise was a 1978 C 34 and I believe she had Barient 24s. We
added some Lewmars when we raced spinnaker.
I like Richard’s electric idea, but I’m not sure you’d have room below the deck
for the motors. Suggest you talk to Lewmar, they may have bigger winches that
will us
Jeff; We solved this issue on my 38MKIIC several years ago.I replaced mine with 4 speed Pontos and we've never looked back.I think that Karver purchased the Pontos technology. They have very convincing videos and these winches work just like they say.There are no buttons to push for gear changing,
Previous owner replaced with Anderson 52’s. IMO Oversized. If that helps.
I kinda like’m though.
Jon Pratt
35-3
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Jeffrey, I feel your pain...I have a 37, and it has gi-normous winches, I
downsized from a 155 to a 135 just to ease the energy load needed...(75 this
month)
If I were getting new winches, I would go electric! They will increase the sale
price of the boat some day too!
Richard
1985 C 37 CB;
Hello all,
I have attempted to search the archives for information and opinions on new
primary winches for C, but was not able to locate a discussion. If there
has been, my apologies. It has become apparent that the old, Lewmar,
self-tailing, 2-spd winches that came on my boat are not
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