Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Peter Murray
While we're on this topic, can I also ask if it is the intention of someone to log and publicly post the channel logs? That will also tend to tamp down the more outlandish behavior. Peter -- Peter Murray Assistant Director, Technology Services Development LYRASIS peter.mur...@lyrasis.org +1

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Karen Coyle
Bill, I realize that. That's opt-out, and anyone new to IRC is not going to know that. So I am asking for the opposite, which may not be a current feature of IRC, but that those who wish to see Zoia's replies (and who therefore know about Zoia) should opt-in. Another option is a separate

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Ross Singer
Karen, I don't think there's any way we could do that. zoia is just another participant in the channel, just like you or I would be, so it's exactly like interacting with another person. And one thing that I think is *somewhat* important to note before we give zoia the bum's rush or something

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread William Denton
On 18 January 2013, Karen Coyle wrote: Bill, I realize that. That's opt-out, and anyone new to IRC is not going to know that. So I am asking for the opposite, which may not be a current feature of IRC, but that those who wish to see Zoia's replies (and who therefore know about Zoia) should

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Devon
Just because zoia has always been there (or panizzi) doesn't mean zoia ought to be there going forward. Karen's point I think deserves consideration. If zoia is in violation of the Code of Conduct, then remedial action is warranted. I think in this case, rather then getting rid of the bot, we can

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Kevin S. Clarke
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote: If zoia is in violation of the Code of Conduct, then remedial action is warranted. I think in this case, rather then getting rid of the bot, we can just remove the offending plugins. +1

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Ross Singer
On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote: Just because zoia has always been there (or panizzi) doesn't mean zoia ought to be there going forward. Karen's point I think deserves consideration. If zoia is in violation of the Code of Conduct, then remedial action is warranted.

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Ross Singer
On Jan 18, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: The offensive and/or annoying plugins don't serve any real purpose besides entertainment value. I would much rather cut them away (we've done it plenty of times in the past: jive, markov, etc.) then ditch the bot

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-18 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote: If zoia is in violation of the Code of Conduct, then remedial action is warranted. I think in this case, rather then getting rid of the bot, we can just

[CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Bill Dueber
I'd like to propose that zoia (the IRC bot that provides help and entertainment in the #code4lib IRC channel) have some of its normal plugins disabled during conf. With three or four times as many people online during conference, things can get out of hand. Lots of zoia plugins can be useful

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Mark A. Matienzo
+1. For what it's worth, Jon Gorman was working on a version of `@herald` that provided introductory information to those new to the IRC channel. (I'm hoping he can speak to details.) Mark On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Bill Dueber b...@dueber.com wrote: I'd like to propose that zoia (the

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Adam Wead
At the risk of opening a can 'o worms, there are others that utilize the invective: @habla @ana @ana can sometimes return offensive phrases. Sadly, it's one of the channel's favorites, so I'm reluctant to put it on the (temporary) chopping block. …adam On Jan 17, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Bill

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Ross Singer
I'd be loathe to gag @tdih, because it's educational and only gets called once or twice a day, but that's me. @blockparty is pretty spammy, as is @alpha Also @urbandict is probably the most offensive command. -Ross. On Jan 17, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Adam Wead aw...@rockhall.org wrote: At the

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
At the risk of getting shouted down in public (wouldn't be the first time!), let me just put this out there: perhaps instead of, like, whipping up a Doodle poll for us all to vote on which plugins get temporarily disabled and which ones don't, how about we have a few folks volunteer to gently ask

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Michael B. Klein
I agree with the esteemed neckbeard from Pennsylvania. But I would also be in favor of muting the snarfer-class plugins, especially @dunno. I've been thinking for a while that it might be time to change zoia's alert character from @ to something that's not (now) universally recognized as a

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Devon
Zoia can also be completely muted per user. Could a pointer to '/ignore' docs be included in the new herald? /dev On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with the esteemed neckbeard from Pennsylvania. But I would also be in favor of muting the

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Fleming, Declan
+100 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Dueber Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:36 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference I'd like to propose

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Jon Gorman
I like the ideas of disabling some of the @zoia bot plugins for the conference at least. For what it's worth, Jon Gorman was working on a version of `@herald` that provided introductory information to those new to the IRC channel. (I'm hoping he can speak to details.) Details of Greeter (the

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Karen Coyle
Is another possibility is for Zoia to be opt-in rather than opt-out? kc On 1/17/13 12:57 PM, Devon wrote: Zoia can also be completely muted per user. Could a pointer to '/ignore' docs be included in the new herald? /dev On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread William Denton
On 17 January 2013, Karen Coyle wrote: Is another possibility is for Zoia to be opt-in rather than opt-out? If you say /ignore zoia all your IRC client will ignore everything she says. You still see what other people say to her, which is a bit odd, but it really makes the channel