Re: Enter runlevel: ???

2007-08-06 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
2007/8/6, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi folks, I've written both the file downloaded from the buildhost my own moko makefile images to the device by using the dfu-util. It is stopping at some point in boot and asking to enter runlevel. The messages shown on the screen are below. It

Re: Video playback - reasonable sized works!

2007-08-06 Thread Giles Jones
Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Using a copy of mplayer originally intended for the Zaurus, mentioned by anrp on IRC. I played back a random video - which happened to be VIDEO: MPEG1 352x240 (aspect 1) 24.000 fps 1536.0 kbps (192.0 kbyte/s) It 'just worked'. I'm sure

Re: Enter runlevel: ???

2007-08-06 Thread Emre Turkay
I'm writing the files in build/tmp/deploy/images. I've compiled it 3 times each time updating the local copy, so there are 3 openmoko-devel-image however there is only one kernel uImage-xxx. Are these files the generated files and I suppose the kernel isn't changed at these three updates so there

Re: openmoko irc logs available ?

2007-08-06 Thread Rod Whitby
Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: Rod Whitby schrieb am 06. August 2007: Current 24h live log is always at: Has anyone notified the people on IRC that they have a surveillance bot somewhere who publishs everything via web without asking them first wether they are interested in such

RE: Touchscreen not working properly

2007-08-06 Thread Giles Jones
Simon Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I have tried this and the cursor stays with the stylus in the middle of the screen but when you get near the top or bottom it doesnt.I have run ts_test and get this from the draw mode https://swel024.ath.cx/~swel024/blah.png and cant fill the top left

Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-06 Thread Alan McSwain
Neo 1973 is sold out By Jouston Huang Neo1973 - OpenMoko After weeks hard work and a lot of complains from my wife. We sold out our Neo 1973 now. In fact, if you place order now. The ETA will be almost October 2007 AND... Sold out! Please note that due to unexpected high demand, even at

Re: Video playback - reasonable sized works!

2007-08-06 Thread Ian Stirling
Giles Jones wrote: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Using a copy of mplayer originally intended for the Zaurus, mentioned by anrp on IRC. I played back a random video - which happened to be VIDEO: MPEG1 352x240 (aspect 1) 24.000 fps 1536.0 kbps (192.0 kbyte/s) It 'just

Re: Video playback - reasonable sized works!

2007-08-06 Thread Ian Stirling
Steve Seltzer wrote: Ian Stirling wrote: Ian Stirling wrote: Using a copy of mplayer originally intended for the Zaurus, mentioned by anrp on IRC. I played back a random video - which happened to be VIDEO: MPEG1 352x240 (aspect 1) 24.000 fps 1536.0 kbps (192.0 kbyte/s) It 'just

Re: Video playback - reasonable sized works!

2007-08-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ian Stirling wrote: 192Kbytes/sec - not really close. 192KB/s = 1536Kb/s B - Bytes b - bits Different units, same bandwidth. Shachar ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-06 Thread Giles Jones
Alan McSwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : This is --simply unacceptable-- and not enough information for people who have recently ordered. FIC --MUST-- do a better job of communicating with thier developers/customers. Those folks who have placed orders that will not be getting a device

Re: Video playback - reasonable sized works!

2007-08-06 Thread Ian Stirling
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ian Stirling wrote: 192Kbytes/sec - not really close. 192KB/s = 1536Kb/s B - Bytes b - bits Different units, same bandwidth. Indeed. However, why do you think that the speed of the SD is close to 200KB/s, because it isn't.

Re: openmoko irc logs available ?

2007-08-06 Thread Rod Whitby
Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: Rod Whitby schrieb am 06. August 2007: Such things are common-place on IRC (look for a user named 'apt' or 'ibot' or 'jbot' or '*-log'). These are bots, of course. But no one said that they are logging and publishing in the same way. Well, no one said they

Dev environment - one more time

2007-08-06 Thread Hans van der Merwe
Hi all, anyone have the dev environment going in openSUSE 10.2? Im still struggling and the info at OpenEmbedded is too Debian biased. Thanks Hans E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: Dev environment - one more time

2007-08-06 Thread Andy Powell
On Monday 06 August 2007 12:05, Hans van der Merwe wrote: Hi all, anyone have the dev environment going in openSUSE 10.2? Im still struggling and the info at OpenEmbedded is too Debian biased. Thanks Hans I'm using openSuSe 10.2 with the mokomakefile with no real problems. You are

Re: Login Manager

2007-08-06 Thread Sander van Grieken
On 5 Aug 2007, at 16:11, Nkoli wrote: I think your implementation is great; it's logical and clean. The only thing I would change is the first boot part. Most phones, if not all, allow security conscious users to set some kind of password/pin to lock their phones. It should also be an

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-06 Thread Justyn Butler
I'll understand whatever delays or problems OpenMoko throws at me, or rather us. As far as I'm concerned we're all in it together, and I understand that we're all learning as we go along. But the continual lack of clear communication from the top is so demoralizing. If we are all in this

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Giles Jones
Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hi all, I have a likely silly question. I'm wondering why is it that in the mobile phone world there has not been a revolution similar to the P2P that we have seen in the internet, What's the real problem? What you propose is illegal due to the

Re: Dev environment - one more time

2007-08-06 Thread Peter Trapp
Von: Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone have the dev environment going in openSUSE 10.2? Got it running with some workarounds. Im still struggling and the info at OpenEmbedded is too Debian biased. Could you please describe your the struggling point? I can try to port this to

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Ian Stirling
Luca Dionisi wrote: Hi all, I have a likely silly question. I'm wondering why is it that in the mobile phone world there has not been a revolution similar to the P2P that we have seen in the internet, e.g. with emule or bittorrent, that is where the users are benefitting from each other

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Luca Dionisi
On 8/6/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you propose is illegal due to the restrictions on radio transmissions. ... The problem is you would be relying on someone near to you, ... Also, the power drain of having a radio transmitter (eg. Wifi) switched on all the time... Ok, good

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Giles Jones
Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Ok, good points for sure. But similar points have not stopped an incremental adoption of emule. Yes, but on a mobile device? For the legal aspect, since our representatives have demonstrated that they care about consumers' interests less than zero, I

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Luca Dionisi
On 8/6/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Ok, good points for sure. But similar points have not stopped an incremental adoption of emule. Yes, but on a mobile device? For the legal aspect, since our representatives have demonstrated that

Re: Touchscreen not working properly

2007-08-06 Thread Ricky
It looks like the calibration information is stored in /etc/pointercal. Not sure if that's the final destination of the data, or who uses it though. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Window_Manager_Startup#Screen_Calibration On 8/6/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Wells [EMAIL

Re: buildhost site down?

2007-08-06 Thread Max Giesbert
the site still seems to be some kind of offline. when i run the openmoko/download.sh script as supposed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU i get $ openmoko/download.sh Retrieving available builds list... Kernel is... not found Root filesystem is... not found

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Luca Dionisi
On 8/6/07, Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is that you must be a 1) criminal 2) sociopath to even want to do this thing with the GSM radio in particular, even if you could. The wifi on GTA02 on the other hand will be capable of this sort of thing (legally and ethically),

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Giles Jones
Cedric Cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I find the idea of cooperative network elegant. But it's the same as setting your wifi to be open and setting it to repeat any connections from any other router in the area. The potential for hacking/disruption is large, place a rogue device in the

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-06 Thread Yohann (yrc) Coppel
I don't want to say stupid things, but, AFAIK: The device is sold out since yesterday !!! And it was Sunday (maybe Monday in their timezone). Give them some time (I mean one day or two at least !!) Maybe they had a whole bunch of orders this weekend, and they had to change quickly the page while

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-06 Thread Mathew Davis
I think we need to look at this project more along the line of 'Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country' JFK. This project is kind of like an investment into the future of mobile phones. If you are here just so that you can findout more about the handset

Re: buildhost site down?

2007-08-06 Thread Marco Crociani - Tyrael
I downloaded the last rootfs and uImage from http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ there is a problem with the kernel and the modules versions. Kernel 2.6.21.6-moko10 modules 2.6.21.6-moko11 What ipkg feed can I use to download 2.6.21.6-moko11 kernel? 2007/8/6, andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED]: the

What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Luca Dionisi
I'm definitely willing to believe that there are tech problems, the GPS protocol into the chips we are using, closed firmware and all the rest. And I admit I really know nothing about mobile comm problems. Anyway, there seems to be some FUD here to me. But then I am probably wrong. Could you

GPS data from gllin

2007-08-06 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
Hi! I want to ask phase0 developers: what is the format of gllin output data? I am trying to convert it to google earth using gpsbabel but I have no clue what i could be. Most possible guess is NMEA but the error for my location is about half of the world ;))) so I guess this is not it... best

Re: GPS data from gllin

2007-08-06 Thread Jonathon Suggs
Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: Hi! I want to ask phase0 developers: what is the format of gllin output data? I am trying to convert it to google earth using gpsbabel but I have no clue what i could be. Most possible guess is NMEA but the error for my location is about half of the world ;))) so I

AW: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-06 Thread Martin Straub
Well I'm #3531 and reside in Austria, Europe. When I ordered (admittedly two months ago) there was an immediated response confirming my order. When I was asking later when I can expect delivery, I was given an answer after two days again. They told me there would be a shipment around

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-06 Thread kent
Somewhat off topic... About 20 years ago I saw a small print ad in the back of National Geographic (I think it was) by a company named skullduggery, offering plaster casts of fossilized skulls, including a *really* *cool* sabertooth cat skull. I ordered one, and waited. and waited. and waited.

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-06 Thread Justyn Butler
On 06/08/07, Martin Straub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I do agree with your point. But it is not professionalism that I'd like to see, just a little more communication. It does seem that you've had more contact from them than some of us. I have avoided contacting OpenMoko directly

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-06 Thread Justyn Butler
It is a nice story. It's good to hear they're still in business. However, at the risk (too late!) of sounding like a broken record, your reply is condescending and misses the point like some others here. On 06/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After about 3 months the skull

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out..

2007-08-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe some of us are just jumping the gun, what if that message is meant to say: We will only be shipping units for the orders that we receive after today in September..or something like that. Nope. Re-read the original post. I captured that text of the blog and the webstore. They

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Clare Johnstone
Earlier someone said: I think you described just about every tech-savy teenager out there... On 8/7/07, Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your explanation. So, what are the current proposal for starting the real revolution? I'm getting bored and frustrated. :) There has to be

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Ortwin Regel
I guess you can't have a revolution without breaking some laws... ;) On 8/7/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Aug 2007, at 23:58, Ortwin Regel wrote: Run an open Wifi node. It's becoming less and less of a good idea to do that these days. You are responsible for any

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-06 Thread Nelson Castillo
On 8/6/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Aug 2007, at 23:58, Ortwin Regel wrote: Run an open Wifi node. It's becoming less and less of a good idea to do that these days. You are responsible for any activity on your connection, so if someone commits a crime you'll have a hard

Re: Possible answer to SOME of the ATT gsm problems

2007-08-06 Thread Mike Hodson
Hmm.. This thread is rather troubling for those who are testing in markets where GSM850 is the only spectrum ATT owns. This, by itself, is less of a burden due to most markets being dual-band, however, god only knows how that will affect coverage during peak times when 1900 is totally booked for

R-UIM Support

2007-08-06 Thread Adam Burch
I have been reading the community archives since December 2006 but have not been able to keep up with it since just before the initial developer release due to school. I also realize that there is a lot of work to do before final release. I have not previously posted as I've usually found my

RT and S/MIME

2007-08-06 Thread Jon Radel
Hmmm, I think I've figured out what happened to my original YES_I_DO, which lead to my #1881 not going out in the first wave: The order RT chokes on e-mail signed with S/MIME. Makes sense in a warped sort of way. Sigh. Jouston's comment right now about my empty e-mail in RT was the last clue I