EU resellers dsitributors - was Re: When are the sale gonna start?

2008-07-28 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
If anyone is interested in becoming a local reseller but without taking the additional work of * sending money T/T advance to Asia, * managing air freight, * importing from Asia, * adding a user manual that complies to EU rules for products, * handling WEEE, * taking the currency exchange risks

Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?

2008-07-28 Thread Stroller
Hi there, Did you ever hear any more of this? I also happened to order on the 4th, and have had no sign of my invisibleSHIELD, either. I'll drop them an email - sod's law says it'll arrive immediately afterwards - but it would be nice to read that you have now found them helpful.

Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?

2008-07-28 Thread Mike Baroukh
Hi. I received my FR on friday. I bought a screen protector for DS. I just had to cut it a little ... Mike Stroller a écrit : Hi there, Did you ever hear any more of this? I also happened to order on the 4th, and have had no sign of my invisibleSHIELD, either. I'll drop them an email

Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-28 Thread Charles Pax
Am So 20. Juli 2008 schrieb Tobias Diedrich: Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Hello, 2008/7/19 Tobias Diedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looking at the Freerunner connector, it looks like it's really a Mini-B Female connector instead of the Mini-AB Female connector as stated on

Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-28 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781 | | Will the next Freerunner revision have a proper mini USB-AB | receptacle like the one at |

Re: Now that you have your phone, what are you doing?

2008-07-28 Thread Federico Lorenzi
I'm interested but I'm in South Africa and your email said only around SF. On 7/27/08, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, andres wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 17:30 +0300, Breakable wrote: Hi there, Just wondering those of you who have the device

Re: Terminal for ASU

2008-07-28 Thread Jay Vaughan
Try Qtopia, its more what I expected a phone like this to look like, and it mostly works. I tried it, but to be frank I'm a little more inclined to want to go with the 'open' side of things, even if its messy and chaotic, than the 'commercial vendor slipping us open guys a sugary treat

Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-28 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 28 July 2008, Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id =1781 | Will the next Freerunner revision have a proper mini USB-AB | receptacle like the one at |

Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Jul 2008, at 10:44, Andy Green wrote: ... Will the next Freerunner revision have a proper mini USB-AB receptacle like the one at http://www.cypressindustries.com/mini_usb_ab_connector.html ? How do you think what is on Freerunner right now differs from that? Seems to be what we got

Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-28 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | The Freerunner's USB port is that widely used on other devices as a | USB mini B connector. Seems you guys are right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Types_of_USB_connector ... hum well they all have 5

numptyphysics

2008-07-28 Thread Michael Kluge
Hi all, I just got compiled numptyphysics compiled for the FR and the game itself starts. Have not yet checked how to play it without Keyboard. Would be nice to have a fix for the landscape bug for the touchscreen to be able to play it :) http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org Michael

Re: numptyphysics

2008-07-28 Thread Yorick Moko
nice! On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Michael Kluge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I just got compiled numptyphysics compiled for the FR and the game itself starts. Have not yet checked how to play it without Keyboard. Would be nice to have a fix for the landscape bug for the touchscreen

Re: numptyphysics

2008-07-28 Thread Joseph Reeves
Sounds good! Could you distribute the pkg file? I'll be happy to try this out with my keyboard :) J 2008/7/28 Michael Kluge [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, I just got compiled numptyphysics compiled for the FR and the game itself starts. Have not yet checked how to play it without Keyboard.

Re: numptyphysics

2008-07-28 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 01:46:44PM +0200, Michael Kluge wrote: Hi all, I just got compiled numptyphysics compiled for the FR and the game itself starts. Have not yet checked how to play it without Keyboard. Would be nice to have a fix for the landscape bug for the touchscreen to be able to

Re: numptyphysics

2008-07-28 Thread Michael Kluge
Up to now I only have a binary. The Makefile they use is home-made. I fixed this by hand and need to figure out how to write a bb recipe for that. The simulation itself starts and one can draw objects and load levels but somehow the physics do not run (yet). It prints some overrun: XX msec

Re: Howto compile more kernel modules with MokoMakefile?

2008-07-28 Thread Jay Vaughan
I want to compile the USB GADGED STORAGE module for the kernel how I have to do this? You can't use other Gadget devices currently, because Gadget-Ethernet is compiled into the kernel (not as a module) and this precludes any other gadget drivers from loading. As I am currently working

Re: Second Australia wide group purchase

2008-07-28 Thread Simon Matthews
As overall organiser of the first batch I am happy to put my hand up to organise another batch of 50 phones if there is enough demand and i resolve a legal issue that is worrying me. I have resolved the legal issue to my satisfaction. For those that are interested in the details they are.

Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-28 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mo 28. Juli 2008 schrieb Andy Green: It does not mention mini-AB there, it only mentions micro-AB, so now I know even less than I did when I started :-) so doesn't http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/CabConn20.pdf Seems there's no such thing like a standardized mini-A, and thus for

Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-28 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 28 July 2008, Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | The Freerunner's USB port is that widely used on other devices as a | USB mini B connector. Seems you guys are right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Types_of_USB_connector ... hum well they all have 5

WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Scott
The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the

How do you reply to an sms in 2007.2?

2008-07-28 Thread William Kenworthy
How do you reply to an sms in 2007.2? Does not seem to be possible. Is there any user documentation for the various standard apps? - they are not all that intuitive! BillK -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:11:01AM -0600, Scott wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. Well, it *is* a wiki... feel free to fix it. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net |

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Mike Baroukh
I had a FR on friday and I can configure that finding informations on the wiki is hard. May I suggest to replace the internal search with a search on google ? (something like site:wiki.openmoko.org what-i-search). Well, it *is* a wiki... feel free to fix it I personaly think that this is the

Re: Howto compile more kernel modules with MokoMakefile?

2008-07-28 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 28 July 2008, Jay Vaughan wrote: I want to compile the USB GADGED STORAGE module for the kernel how I have to do this? You can't use other Gadget devices currently, because Gadget-Ethernet is compiled into the kernel (not as a module) and this precludes any other gadget drivers

Re: How do you reply to an sms in 2007.2?

2008-07-28 Thread Kalle Happonen
Hit the pen (lower right) when you have the message open.. Kalle William Kenworthy wrote: How do you reply to an sms in 2007.2? Does not seem to be possible. Is there any user documentation for the various standard apps? - they are not all that intuitive! BillK

What email clients are there for the freerunner?

2008-07-28 Thread William Kenworthy
What email clients are there for the freerunner? BillK -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Howto compile more kernel modules with MokoMakefile?

2008-07-28 Thread Jay Vaughan
You can't use other Gadget devices currently, because Gadget-Ethernet is compiled into the kernel (not as a module) and this precludes any other gadget drivers from loading. As I am currently working on Gadget Audio for the Freerunner, I too would like to see this situation resolved properly

Re: How do you reply to an sms in 2007.2?

2008-07-28 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2008/7/28 Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hit the pen (lower right) when you have the message open.. It doesn't give you a warm feeling that that is going to work when the to: number field is blank. Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Opening the Cellwaves

2008-07-28 Thread Jeff Tickle
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:22:17 -0700 Doug Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...If we follow the second path, we'll fail at a fundamental mission, which is opening the infrastructure itself. To do that we need to create open phones that are damned good at being Net-generation radios and

Re: How do you reply to an sms in 2007.2?

2008-07-28 Thread reaper527
Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: 2008/7/28 Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hit the pen (lower right) when you have the message open.. It doesn't give you a warm feeling that that is going to work when the to: number field is blank. Regards Jeff

Caller ID Problem

2008-07-28 Thread reaper527
When I get an incoming call, it displays the persons phone number, even if that number is associated with someone in my phone book. Is there anyway to get the number to be matched up with the name and have the persons name display at the incoming call screen and missed call log? (also, the

Re: new list for wiki (and other documentation) maintainers, and anyone interested in helping them

2008-07-28 Thread Joachim Steiger
ian douglas wrote: Michael, Can you alter the mailing list so the list's address is set as the default Reply-To value like the community list? please not. Simply hitting Reply (instead of Reply-to-All) seems to send replies to the authors of the posts. thats how it needs to be. thats

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Vinc Duran
You should know it's improved significantly over the last couple weeks. To me it seems the Getting Started page in particular has been much improved. (That's where I've spent most of my time.) On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of

Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-28 Thread arne anka
using examples of obviously bad quoting to advocat TOFU seems strange those examples of obviously bad quoting are a great majority of mails. it so happens that i am tired of scrolling down endless mails is imple skip them totally ... i've said it already, but you did obviously not care to read

Re: Caller ID Problem

2008-07-28 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Montag, den 28.07.2008, 07:12 -0700 schrieb reaper527: When I get an incoming call, it displays the persons phone number, even if that number is associated with someone in my phone book. Is there anyway to get the number to be matched up with the name and have the persons name display

Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-28 Thread Vinc Duran
I'll see you in the funny farm. The rooms next to me all seem to be available. :-) On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:05 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the day i trust google with anything slighly looking as personal data i am ready to go to the funny farm.

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Scott Derrick
Vinc, I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual Only for Geeks Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a guarantees it is doomed to be a very

Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-28 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
PLONK Am Mo 28. Juli 2008 schrieb arne anka: using examples of obviously bad quoting to advocat TOFU seems strange those examples of obviously bad quoting are a great majority of mails. it so happens that i am tired of scrolling down endless mails is imple skip them totally ... i've

Re: Howto compile more kernel modules with MokoMakefile?

2008-07-28 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 28 July 2008, Jay Vaughan wrote: You can't use other Gadget devices currently, because Gadget-Ethernet is compiled into the kernel (not as a module) and this precludes any other gadget drivers from loading. As I am currently working on Gadget Audio for the Freerunner, I too

Re: wifi

2008-07-28 Thread Kristian 'kriss' Mueller
I've spent a great deal of time messing with WIFI also. Once I get some more experience with the OM platform, I might contribute to building a gui network manager. I really believe that a lot of the common system administration-type tasks - such as setting up WLAN, setting up GPRS

Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

2008-07-28 Thread jollen
tony wrote: We (at least I do) understand that infrastructure is an issue. But isnt staffing an issue? If you want to have the best and most open-source oriented software developers in taipei, and the website says you do, then I would imagine that making freerunners available to the

Got the same message three times

2008-07-28 Thread Michael Kluge
From the last message from Arne in the thread Re: Reply above Quotation I got three copies. Nothing against redundancy, but could the dear admin please take a look? TIA, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

How to ask, and answer, questions the smart way

2008-07-28 Thread alex . fitzpatrick
Just a nudge to community and support to remember how we can make this work for everyone. How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html How To Answer Questions in a Helpful Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#id308223 Loving my phone

Re: Qtopia: GPRS

2008-07-28 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:13:05PM +, Ole Kliemann wrote: I'm trying to send an MMS with Qtopia. I set up GPRS and WAP through the GUI, but it did not work; the network interface failed to start when sending. A look into the log shows this: Jul 27 09:57:37 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia:

Re: Caller ID Problem

2008-07-28 Thread Evan
thanks for the reply. i looked a little bit closer since you mentioned proper form, and found my problem. i had anticipated something like this could happen if i used - or ., and purposely left them out when i entered the numbers. what i hadn't anticipated, was the need for 1 at the beginning

Re: How do you reply to an sms in 2007.2?

2008-07-28 Thread Bastian Muck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 reaper527 schrieb: | | | Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: | 2008/7/28 Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | Hit the pen (lower right) when you have the message open.. | It doesn't give you a warm feeling that that is going to work when the | to: number field

Re: USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-28 Thread Charles Pax
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Monday 28 July 2008, Andy Green wrote: It does not mention mini-AB there, it only mentions micro-AB, so now I know even less than I did when I started :-) Looks like mini-ab and mini-a were deprecated over a year ago

Re: Got the same message three times

2008-07-28 Thread arne anka
I got three copies. Nothing against redundancy, but could the dear admin please take a look? +1 i got several messages thrice over the past hours, often with a delay so that the same message appears as new a few minutes later -- and then again.

Re: Got the same message three times

2008-07-28 Thread leonardo maccari
arne anka wrote: I got three copies. Nothing against redundancy, but could the dear admin please take a look? +2 leonardo. -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E ___ Openmoko community

Re: Qtopia: GPRS

2008-07-28 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 06:32:18PM +, Ole Kliemann wrote: Jul 28 16:29:29 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Network : starting pppd (non-demand) : /usr/sbin/pppd nodetach debug call dialup1217032395 password simyo logfile /tmp/qtopia-0/qpe-pppd-log-dialup1217032395 connect

Speed Reading Application

2008-07-28 Thread Charles Pax
I just saw this post on Digg: http://digg.com/software/Read_Faster_Way_Faster_No_really_I_mean_WAY_faster There is a web application that flashed individual words from a body of text you input. Is anyone interested in an app like this on Openmoko? The app: http://www.spreeder.com/ -Charles

Ringtone Question

2008-07-28 Thread reaper527
I was wondering how people have generated their ringtones for use with the openmoko. I have mp3's, which according to what i've read, aren't compatible to use as ringtones. i ended up clipping the mp3's to get the sections i want and exporting them as wav files using audacity on a windows

Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Dear Community Design. Many people seem to expect an explanation of design from Openmoko. This isn't going to happen. At least not today. Design isn't something static that I can stop and say here is exactly what Openmoko wants. 1+1 = 2. We try not to talk so much about features or design

Re: wifi

2008-07-28 Thread Jay Vaughan
SettingsGUI still has to be ported to GTA02 and the FSO image. This is what I'll be doing here during the next days. I'll be very happy to test on GTA02 and GTA01 concurrently, and help out any way I can. I think SettingsGUI could make a lot of mundane OM tasks a lot more pleasant, frankly

Re: Speed Reading Application

2008-07-28 Thread Jeff Tickle
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:11:10 -0400 Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw this post on Digg: http://digg.com/software/Read_Faster_Way_Faster_No_really_I_mean_WAY_faster There is a web application that flashed individual words from a body of text you input. Is anyone interested in

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 7/28/08 Scott Derrick wrote: I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual Only for Geeks Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a

Re: new list for wiki (and other documentation) maintainers, and anyone interested in helping them

2008-07-28 Thread ian douglas
Joachim Steiger wrote: ian douglas wrote: Michael, Can you alter the mailing list so the list's address is set as the default Reply-To value like the community list? please not. Simply hitting Reply (instead of Reply-to-All) seems to send replies to the authors of the posts. thats

RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

2008-07-28 Thread Lin Mac
Can we expect that in near feature? or should we look for other solution? steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggest that Please check the distributors as folks in the thread 850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?. so maybe we have to buy it from US or India distributors? Trying not to be too negative,

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest to replace the internal search with a search on google ? (something like site:wiki.openmoko.org what-i-search). I once configured a MediaWiki we were using for internal documentation at a place I worked to use

Re: Ringtone Question

2008-07-28 Thread Hans L
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:21 PM, reaper527 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering how people have generated their ringtones for use with the openmoko. I have mp3's, which according to what i've read, aren't compatible to use as ringtones. i ended up clipping the mp3's to get the sections i

Re: Speed Reading Application

2008-07-28 Thread Charles Pax
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Jeff Tickle [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I actually made something similar a month or two ago, although admittedly it's not as pretty and refined: http://jefftickle.com/spead/ Hi, Jeff. After using the application I found on Digg I thought that it would be nice if

RE: Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Robert Horton
/me stands and applauds -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Openmoko on Design Dear Community snip -Sean

Re: FR and iPhone - how can they be compared?

2008-07-28 Thread Steven **
I too would be interested in the source for this project. I intend to use an arduino board in a project of my own. -Steven On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Sparrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Flemming, Neat idea's about the FR and custom hardware. I currently have an arduino

opkg upgrade freezes my FR

2008-07-28 Thread Michel
Hi, First, nice to have an openmoko Freerunner in my hands (for a few weeks now) trying out some things. Thing is, I wanted to test the latest updates to work with the GPS and SD card. After an opkg upgrade my phone reboots and stays in the openmoko splash screen. Booting with power+aux and

Re: opkg upgrade freezes my FR

2008-07-28 Thread Yorick Moko
today opkg upgrade bricks your ASU I also had it happen (two times) just reflash your phone with recent kernel 0728, rootfs 0722 and don't opkg upgrade On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, First, nice to have an openmoko Freerunner in my hands (for a few weeks

Re: Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Change anything you want to our interface and we will gladly deliver it to everyone. Your music for sound events. Your themes. Speak with your work, not so much with your emails. Let's organize the best parts of mobile

Re: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Scott Derrick
Sean, OK, I'll hop off the box for now. And thanks for letting us know you folks are aware of the problem and working on it. Scott Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 7/28/08 Scott Derrick wrote: I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Jay Vaughan
[snip] This does not work. That is all. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 7/29/08 Michele Renda wrote: There is a lot of work to do, and OM can't all this alone. Exactly. This is really the essense of what I want to say. We need your help to organize our environment. We need to focus on this. Flashy design can come later if that's what's wanted. We are open.

Re: Got the same message three times

2008-07-28 Thread Steven Kurylo
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:22 AM, leonardo maccari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: arne anka wrote: I got three copies. Nothing against redundancy, but could the dear admin please take a look? +2 Open a ticket on the bug tracker and post the message headers of all three messages. There is no

Re: Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Alex Kavanagh
Thanks for an excellent post. It gives me an even better insight into OpenMoko's vision. Thanks for all of the hard work! Cheers Alex. Sean Moss-Pultz wrote, On 28/07/08 19:22: Dear Community Design. Many people seem to expect an explanation of design from Openmoko. This isn't going

RE: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread steve
It's easier to complain than to fix. I yelled about the wiki for months. After once day of editing it I realized it was a monumental task that only the community can address at this time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills Sent:

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Jay Vaughan
Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have our own ways of understanding and making meanings. You are free to create your own meanings. I just can't see how you honestly believe all this panty-waiste dilettante waffling about not having a design because its up

Re: Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread George Brooke
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:21:28 +0200 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's start simple. And grow. I know we can get there! Get where exactly? Got coordinates for that destination? Maybe Tango GPS can help trace the route? solar.george signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jay Vaughan wrote: Because at this point, it seems to me that you've just pissed in the koolaid. Basically, you're just selling incomplete, mediocre hardware in order to cash in on the Open Community meme, or what? Hi Jay. First person that

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Alex Kavanagh
Jay Vaughan wrote, On 28/07/08 21:31: Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have our own ways of understanding and making meanings. You are free to create your own meanings. I just can't see how you honestly believe all this panty-waiste dilettante

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Jay Vaughan
Openmoko is trying to do what can: is trying to build a phone. It is trying to build a running open hardware: It will not be perfect but it will be open. You will know all the defect and compromise token to get it. Then is your choose. And don't tell to me that OM hardware is broken

RE: Terminal for ASU

2008-07-28 Thread steve
Oh the design team have been listening. I convinced people to let ASU be released when it was pre alpha. Very early in development. Primarily so that the community could have a look at and make constructive feedback. So I owe the design Team an apology. Steve -Original Message-

Re: suspend and immediate wake-up

2008-07-28 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:39 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: It's getting woken by a message from the GSM. Mine does it on reregistration at variable intervals, maybe 3 times an hour. If it happens much more often it's worth reporting. I have the same issue (not always but sometimes),.. and this

Re: suspend and immediate wake-up

2008-07-28 Thread arne anka
I have the same issue (not always but sometimes),.. and this comes probably not from GSM network messages... Because it happens over and over again (once this issue happens). i've gotten the impression that the acceleration sensors play an importanmt role. it simply happens too often that i

Re: Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread ezuall
Potential, that is the first word that comes to mind when I think about and play with my freerunner. I spent months absolutely obsessively waiting for the release, but when I first received it I was afraid. The gps issue was all over the mailing list and I was thinking that things weren't

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jay Vaughan wrote: It is *important* that such things as a usable GUI, which looks nice, are presented very, very rapidly - there is no other way for our projects to snowball than to attract the interest of those who will use the hardware.

Re: Qtopia: GPRS

2008-07-28 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:57:01PM +, Ole Kliemann wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 06:32:18PM +, Ole Kliemann wrote: Jul 28 16:29:29 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Network : starting pppd (non-demand) : /usr/sbin/pppd nodetach debug call dialup1217032395 password simyo logfile

RE: WIKI still a POS

2008-07-28 Thread Josh Monson
Then start helping out with the wiki editing and stop complaining. For a bunch of OpenSource Fans I sure hear a lot of bitching and less doing. P a r t I c I p a t e -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Derrick Sent: Monday, July 28,

RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

2008-07-28 Thread steve
Buy from australia. Should be cheaper than buying from the US or EU Also check india price. Or become a disty and turn a problem into prosperity -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jollen Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:32 AM To: List for

Re: Terminal for ASU

2008-07-28 Thread Stroller
Believe it or not, Steve, sarcasm is not the same thing as wit. I am sure you have plenty of wit at your disposal. You do yourself a disservice in failing to exercise it. Stroller. On 28 Jul 2008, at 22:11, steve wrote: Oh the design team have been listening. ... So I owe the design

RE: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-28 Thread steve
Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Renda Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:59 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion

Re: Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Lisa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ~ Folks, ~ I don't need a major design statement for my phone...I just want a (mostly) working phone. There is a point where taking one more thing away doesn't make it simpler any longer, it makes it hard to figure out/work on. Not having a

RE: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-28 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all work that has been put into OM2007.2 useless. Please stop telling

Re: Howto compile more kernel modules with MokoMakefile?

2008-07-28 Thread Gilles Casse
Al Johnson wrote: That's frustrating. I had imagined the gadget functions could coexist so we could provide both network and storage. Even if the gadget ether is built as module, it does not give necessarily the possibility to load another gadget. AIUI, only one gadget device can be

RE: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-28 Thread Kristian 'kriss' Mueller
Am Dienstag, den 29.07.2008, 00:46 +0200 schrieb Marcus Bauer: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show and discuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-28 Thread Kristian 'kriss' Mueller
Hi Michele Am Mittwoch, den 23.07.2008, 18:59 +0200 schrieb Michele Renda: I am just finishing my first application for the Freerunner. It is python written and use gtk. Nice decision! ;-) If you want to use GTK in an FSO or ASU image you may want to install the Openmoko GTK theme first.

Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

2008-07-28 Thread david varnes
Steve, there is a distributor in Australia ? Who / where ? No indication on the distributor's page of your shop. A bunch of Australians would like to make a purchase too :-) thanks muchly davidv On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:27 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buy from australia. Should be

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Jul 2008, at 21:31, Jay Vaughan wrote: Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have our own ways of understanding and making meanings. You are free to create your own meanings. I just can't see how you honestly believe all this panty-waiste dilettante

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread Nkoli
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having worked in Open-Hardware for over 15 years now, I was, in fact, expecting a much more coherent strategy for the software platform on Freerunner than just let the community decide. Certainly, the community aspect of

Re: Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread ian douglas
ezuall wrote: Potential, that is the first word that comes to mind when I think about and play with my freerunner. I spent months absolutely obsessively waiting for the release, but when I first received it I was afraid. I agree, there's unlimited potential. To be honest, I was all hyped

Bus Error

2008-07-28 Thread Eildert Groeneveld
During a opkg upgrade apparently the network connection stopped because the FR fell asleep (my rendition of what happened). After booting everything was fine, except that I cannot connect anymore to the FR through USB. If usb0 gets uped through ifconfig, I get the same: bus error Any idea of

Re: Openmoko on Design

2008-07-28 Thread david varnes
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:22 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Think of our products as museums. We're building the environment. I re-read Sean's post a couple of time (like a few people I am guessing :-) For some of us 'museum' may have an old/musty connotation. When I put

RE: posting

2008-07-28 Thread steve
If you ask on the list as you have, someone SHOULD ( HINT HINT) come to your assistance. If they don't, then make noise in my direction and I will get you help. Just make your subject line STEVE I NEED HELP. I generally see those sorts of messages. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

sound

2008-07-28 Thread W.Kenworthy
Ive just realised that I have never heard my OM ring, or make a sound when an sms comes in just vibrate. The annoying 'tick' on the keyboard comes and goes (mostly is gone thank goodness :) Is this normal? - shouldnt think so! Using 2007.2 Billk ___

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