[debian] How to configure Zhone?

2008-10-17 Thread joakim
I've started to actually use my debian freerunner as an actual phone! Some issues: - is it possible to have zhone not lock the screen? its just inconvenient. - is it possible to have zhone jump to the top of the window stack on an incoming call? I normally run tangogps, zhone and emacs, under the

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread yves mahe
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Leonti Bielski wrote: But what about PIM stack? There is a project from GSOC, but it's either dead or just being developed really slow. What if some time OM is spending on ASU get to develop PIM stack for FSO? Or even make a 0.9 release of FSO even earlier as

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Florian Hackenberger
On Thursday 16 October 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Imho this should be a key point. It's quite obvious that a good PIM stack is vital for a portable device. Have you considered using akonadi? The KDE guys are quite approachable and IMHO they have done their homework with akonadi. You

Re: Weekly Engineering News 41/2008: back to the basics

2008-10-17 Thread Dale Maggee
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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Dale Maggee
My 1/50th of a dollar... A lot of people have made some really good points and suggestions here. Here's what I'd like to see personally, in order of priority, with absolutely no consideration given to feasability or difficulty what I want ;) : 1. rock-solid phone / sms functionality, with

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Michele Renda
Also if I don't use KDE, I'd like to see akonadi as Pim managed... Our mission must to be to don't replicate the work done by other people, and KDE person did a good job Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Thursday 16 October 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Imho this should be a key point.

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Nicola Mfb
2008/10/16 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Like Wolfgang said in http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: * Reduce boot time. Low priority, if the phone is

Re: Debian size and uSD

2008-10-17 Thread Alastair Johnson
Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: I bought myself a 4Gb uSD card and decided to have a go at moving the (full) 512Mb partition onto it, using http://inferno.slug.org/cgi-bin/wiki?Drive_Backup_And_Cloning as my reference. I backed up the 512Mb with no problem. The 4Gb card was not recognised,

Re: [debian] How to configure Zhone?

2008-10-17 Thread arne anka
- is it possible to have zhone not lock the screen? its just inconvenient. i looked it up in code and simply commented the part -- it's a while ago, though, and i don't remember exactly, where it was (/usr/bin/zhone i think) - is it possible to have zhone jump to the top of the window

Re: Tangogps pre-cache?

2008-10-17 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
Does someone know how to use .osm files with tangoGPS ? Because lots of countries seem ready to be downloaded here : http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ If it's not possible I think I will use osmtiles ;) http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/osmtiles.tgz Xavier.

Re: Dillo: lightweight webbrowser v2.0

2008-10-17 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
Thanks for sharing. Dillo is great and fast ! Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Cédric Berger
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 20:20, Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Suspend is quite good at the moment, but when the display is 'blanked' and the system is not in suspend, maybe pressing the 'power' button could wake up the screen instead. Now it wakes up and immediately suspends.

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Gothnet
Hi all, My thoughts on this (as a software dev that hasn't yet got into the freerunner software development, despite best intentions) - 1. Basic phone functions: It needs to work as a phone, currently it doesn't wake up from suspend in time for more than 2 rings before the other party is

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread William Kenworthy
Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) BillK On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 09:53 +0200, Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Thursday 16 October 2008, Marco Trevisan

Come to wiki to help improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Wendy
Hi, thanks for your help to collecting all the critical problems, it's helpful. :) For more clear picture, we creat a page in our wiki to clean it up. Please go to this page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Improving_user_experience You can vote to those issues or add other critical problems.

Re: Come to wiki to help improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Cédric Berger
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 13:12, Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, thanks for your help to collecting all the critical problems, it's helpful. :) For more clear picture, we creat a page in our wiki to clean it up. Please go to this page :

Re: Come to wiki to help improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread William Kenworthy
How does one vote? - even created an account but nothing shows up to enable input. The list seems odd considering the number and type of responses Ive seen? - nothing about being able to reliably receive SMS messages, nothing about being able to make/receive phone calls which were mentioned a

Re: Tangogps pre-cache?

2008-10-17 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does someone know how to use .osm files with tangoGPS ? Because lots of countries seem ready to be downloaded here : http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ Tango doesn't use the .osm files (yet?), but Navit does...

PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Mark Weinem
William Kenworthy: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! Regards, Mark Weinem

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 03:54:47AM -0700, Gothnet wrote: Given 2 and 3, a quicker boot time would be nice, but if we could fix the things that mean I have to boot it so often it would be helpful. I can't help much in the other things we'd all like to happen, but after a cursory (and cursing)

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Christ van Willegen
Perhaps another idea to lighten the core developers' load... Invest a little time (a day or so?) to properly set up a VMWare image that can be downloaded by developers that want to help in any way. Make it easy to update sources, and easy to build both kernel and userland stuff, and also to

RE: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Crane, Matthew
I think the phone is getting quite usable, and well there is a long road ahead I don't think anybody should feel bad about how far it has come. Recent post on engadget re: RIM's Bold. ptrcd003 @ Oct 17th 2008 1:08AM tell me about it. Crappy GPS that rarely, if ever, works (triangulation

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Didier Raboud
Christ van Willegen wrote: Perhaps another idea to lighten the core developers' load... Invest a little time (a day or so?) to properly set up a VMWare image that can be downloaded by developers that want to help in any way. Make it easy to update sources, and easy to build both kernel

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread arne anka
Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! well, if it is supposed to be a part of kde, the use case is clearly a desktop

[FSO] QT Dbus connection to Gypsy

2008-10-17 Thread Michael Tansella
Hi, I'm new to QT and Dbus and I want to establish a simple connection to Gypsy. I looked at the Code of Kbluetooth http://kdebluetooth.sourcearchive.com/documentation/1:0.1-0ubuntu1/obexsession_8cpp-source.html and tried to port it to my intensions. But unfortunately it didnt't work.

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Mark Weinem
Am Freitag 17 Oktober 2008 14:13:28 schrieb arne anka: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! well, if it is

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Marijn Kruisselbrink
On Friday 17 October 2008 14:43:06 Mark Weinem wrote: Am Freitag 17 Oktober 2008 14:13:28 schrieb arne anka: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, October 17, 2008 a las 02:43:06PM +0200, Mark Weinem escribió: Am Freitag 17 Oktober 2008 14:13:28 schrieb arne anka: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Minh Ha Duong
To Rui and all others interested in bootime improvement: A bootchart is available at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com

Re: Come to wiki to help improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Brenda Wang
Except vote , you can also put the new item on this table. William Kenworthy ??: How does one vote? - even created an account but nothing shows up to enable input. The list seems odd considering the number and type of responses Ive seen? - nothing about being able to reliably receive SMS

Re: Come to wiki to help improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:35:06 +0800, William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one vote? - even created an account but nothing shows up to enable input. Once you've logged in, each page has a new 'edit' link at the top of the content. Click it and get the wiki page editor. What

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Benedikt Schindler
Minh Ha Duong schrieb: To Rui and all others interested in bootime improvement: A bootchart is available at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro i disabled my boot splash screen that saved me 10 seconds of boot time. ___ Openmoko

Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) ha scritto: Vasco Névoa wrote: Thanks Treviño! However, qpe complains of binary compatibility: Coult not load /opt/Qtopia/plugins/phonevendors/libficgta01vendor.so errorString() The plugin '/opt/Qtopia/plugins/phonevendors/libficgta01vendor.so' uses

RE: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Crane, Matthew
Have you thought about applying any of the fast-boot mods that were slashdotted recently? One thing that killed the boot time of desktop linux was the usb subsystem. OM is probally doing the similar things. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/02/1933206from=rss -Original

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
William Kenworthy wrote: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Well, I don't really know what Akonadi is using, but when I installed it in my ubuntu

Re: Dillo: lightweight webbrowser v2.0

2008-10-17 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
wow -- now I've tried it -- it is indeed fast!!! it is minimal and doesn't render some crappy pages (like mine ;-)) but it feels faster on FR than firefox on my desktop ;-) On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Thanks for sharing. Dillo is great and fast ! Xavier. --

Re: LED notification

2008-10-17 Thread Michael
On 16/10/08 16:52:10, Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | (The first message I sent does not seem to have arrived) | On 12/10/08 18:00:55, Andy Green wrote: | Yes always-on MPU can deliver consistent power behaviours we can't do | in | our current way of relying

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Angus Ainslie
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2. This also comes into the 'daily use phone' category: the echo / volume issues. Since settings which work for some people don't seem to work for others, I think that one way to sort this out might be to create a

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Dareus
==Pim device== I would like to use my FR as a PIM device, managing my communications, events and so on. So this is my main issue as a user. Another thing that could improve the user experience would be a PC utility to manage the device: - ability to know the charge level from PC; - easy file

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread arne anka
==Pim device== imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for. there are a lot of posts lately completely ignoring the point of basics and no eyecandy -- if the list in the wiki develops the same way it's plain useless. pim frinst is at it's best part of a middle tier, but

Re: Dillo: lightweight webbrowser v2.0

2008-10-17 Thread Christian Weßel
Great part, I installed it manually and it runs pretty fast. Greate. christian Am Donnerstag, den 16.10.2008, 21:41 -0400 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko: Just wanted to share, that Dillo was featured in the recent LWN http://lwn.net/Articles/303502/ Lightweight, Linux-compatible browser

Re: Come to wiki to help improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread John Lee
Hi, Thanks for starting this page. It's on my list but I'm too slow. I would like to use it to reflect the latest status, so it will be better if we *only* do the the discussion here on the mailing list in the 'Back to the basics' thread. In the meantime, the current todo list there was NOT

Re: [FSO] QT Dbus connection to Gypsy

2008-10-17 Thread Michael Tansella
On Friday 17 October 2008 14:27:51 Michael Tansella wrote: QDBusConnection dbusconn = dbus-connectToBus(QDBusConnection::SessionBus, dbus); Service = org.freedesktop; I found 1 error, it must be SystemBus instead of SessionBus. But unfortunately I still cannot establish a connection. As soon

trouble connecting via wifi

2008-10-17 Thread Kevin
What step am I missing? It does detect my access point because i can see it's mac address in iwconfig but all packets are dropped when I try to use ping my access point. iwconfig eth0 mode managed channel 1 iwconfig eth0 essid madwifi ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 ifconfig eth0 up

Re: trouble connecting via wifi

2008-10-17 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/10/17 Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What step am I missing? It does detect my access point because i can see it's mac address in iwconfig but all packets are dropped when I try to use ping my access point. iwconfig eth0 mode managed channel 1 iwconfig eth0 essid madwifi ifconfig eth0

Re: Tangogps pre-cache?

2008-10-17 Thread Fox Mulder
Christ van Willegen wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does someone know how to use .osm files with tangoGPS ? Because lots of countries seem ready to be downloaded here : http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ Tango doesn't use the .osm files

spurious mouse clicks?

2008-10-17 Thread Stefan Monnier
Ever since I started to connect my FR to my desktop computer and set up USB-networking, I'm noticing that I regularly get spurious middle clicks (and/or right clicks), as if some spurious USB messages were sent from my FR that looked like messages coming from my mouse (or touchpad, or trackpoint,

rotate updated

2008-10-17 Thread Oscar Casamitjana
×Nö~Ë­­ª|ç_=ێtÛnõÓ_4Ó rotate Description: Binary data /* -*- tab-width:4; c-basic-offset:4 -*- * rotate.c -- determine Freerunner orientation. * Author -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * This file is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it * under the terms of the GNU

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Knight Walker
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 14:02 +0200, Mark Weinem wrote: Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! The follow-up question to that is: Does it really _need_ MySQL, or does it just use the convenience of an SQL back-end? If it just needs SQL, then it could be altered to use SQLite. If it requires MySQL, then

Re: [Debian] Auxlaunch

2008-10-17 Thread Ben
Hi, thx a lot for this nice app, I think I will leave my idesk conf for it. Is there a way to : - use right-hand entry for making a menu switcher - making defaults sizes when auxlaunch starts (fullscreen-like ?) - use aux botton for hide/unhide auxlaunch and how to get your top level icones

Re: trouble connecting via wifi

2008-10-17 Thread Kevin
It gives the correct routing but the problem is i am not getting responses back when i try to ping the gateway. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/17 Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What step am I missing? It does detect my access point because i can see

Re: Tangogps pre-cache?

2008-10-17 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/10/17 Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does someone know how to use .osm files with tangoGPS ? Because lots of countries seem ready to be downloaded here : http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ you can't use the .osm file with tango they are text files, that need to be processed by a

Re: [debian] I need hints! please help

2008-10-17 Thread Davide Scaini
Thanks! i just followed the wiki of xfce on debian for: openbox, fluxbox, icewm... i really love them, but it's impossible to make the right click work there (i think this is because i still cannot access as a normal user but just as root... don't know why...) very soon news d On Thu, Oct 16,

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Craig B. Allen
I used kdepimpi on my Linux Zaurus and found it very full-featured. I primarily used the datebook app. I keep hoping someone with more skill and time than I will port it to FR. It was built on top of Qtopia so it shouldn't be that formidable a task. -- Craig

Re: Navit questions...

2008-10-17 Thread KaZeR
(i finally ordered and received a Freerunner :) ) Lothar Behrens a écrit : Hi, I got installed navit and after some tries I got the correct germany.bin file by downloading it with a wget -O germany.bin ... quicklink. For a brief feedback: Very good ! Thanks :) A longer 'play with it':

Re: Fennec on Openmoko

2008-10-17 Thread yochaigal
This is pretty sweet http://vimeo.com/1981300?pg=embedsec=1981300 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Michele Renda wrote: Someone know something about this? (Midori): a) How to remove the string: you are using a root account (without creating a non root account) I had made a patch

Virtualized developer system (was Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:10:12 +0200, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps another idea to lighten the core developers' load... Invest a little time (a day or so?) to properly set up a VMWare image that can be downloaded by developers that want to help in any way. Make it