Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik
:2009-01-31T23:53:arne anka: The one thing I find absent in every design is a plain old phone keypad. Maybe a slider design to pull it out from underneath or such like. probably not what om likes -- but consider buying an unlocked g1 (android). with the android sources available

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 2/1/09 Johny Tenfinger wrote: Moko developers not use freerunner in daily use, they use blackberry I'm not OM developer (hmm, ok, developing is my hobby), but I'm using FreeRunner in daily use... hehe...managers not developers. (Most! of) Our developers use FreeRunners and a second

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Juergen Schinker
bytestore wrote: Freerunner is my daily phone, my hobby,my freeing, my satisfaction its help me on the work (terminal, gps, gprs) se w300i is my second phone (only phone and photomaker) please everyone who uses the freerunner as a daily phone always mention how e.g with which distribution

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Tomas Riveros Schober
Well, now that my regular phone is on repairs, I've been using my neo as my main phone without major issues (just a little bit of buzz and low volume, but nothing extreme). It is currently running the fixed QtExtended 4.4.2 with the echo patch kindly posted by Chris Samuel (which works wonders

Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread Fernando Martins
Hi, Based on list feedback, I have rewritten my former proposal for a wiki page dealing with the choice of file system for sd cards. If you feel so inclined, please review the text below before I put it on the wiki. I was thinking to link it from the FAQ page, under Storage, modulus a better

Re: [SHR] Miscellanious minor issues

2009-02-01 Thread mqy
A temp solution is: create file .gtkrc-2.0 in use home dir, and add the following contents: style scroll { GtkScrollbar::slider-width = 25 } class * style scroll kimaidou wrote: Hi About the scrollbar, it is much to thin to be reachable with the finger. I proposed an enhancement

[debian] compiling e17 for freerunner

2009-02-01 Thread Davide Scaini
...then i decided to package e17 for debian on my own. The only working packege I found is enlightenment_all_in_one.deb posted some time ago in this list... So now I wanted some thing more up to date... so I started compiling e17 from svn (using a script I guess posted here months ago). I managed

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, February 01, 2009 a las 12:31:47PM +, Juergen Schinker escribió: bytestore wrote: Freerunner is my daily phone, my hobby,my freeing, my satisfaction its help me on the work (terminal, gps, gprs) se w300i is my second phone (only phone and photomaker) please

Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???

2009-02-01 Thread vale
same problem here ... i can start eth0, connect with wpa_supplicant to my wireless network, put the right nameserver in resolv.conf but every ping fails ... same wpa_supplicant, interfaces and resolv.conf configuration working well with debian ... i think shr has some major problem with

Re: Sephora 0.2 available

2009-02-01 Thread Davide Scaini
Thank you for your package! but unfortunately i get an error... hoping this helps ;-) d (grazie) davide~$ DISPLAY=0 sephora /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:72: GtkWarning: could not open display warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)

Re: How my FR is used!

2009-02-01 Thread Michele Renda
Moko developers not use freerunner in daily use, they use blackberry I'm not OM developer (hmm, ok, developing is my hobby), but I'm using FreeRunner in daily use... I own a FR, but I use a 5 eur phone. I like more to use my FR as a netbook, with Xfce, Debian. Ok, this is not

Re: [debian] compiling e17 for freerunner

2009-02-01 Thread Robert Piasek
On Sunday 01 February 2009 11:56:31 Davide Scaini wrote: forgot a detail...: Checked out revision 38885 d On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: ...then i decided to package e17 for debian on my own. The only working packege I found is

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread arne anka
systems. Since not many people are recommending reiserfs nowadays due to lack of maintenance, regardless of being considered better than ext2/3, ext3 remains as the choice. it's not only lack of maintenance and reiserfs is not considered to be better (by whom?)! the best you could say is,

Re: Sephora 0.2 available

2009-02-01 Thread vale
thank you! for me it is working now again :) i had to apt-get install menu first then i was able to install sephora, which starts fine now! thx for this great tool vale -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Sephora-not-working-any-longer--tp2208881p2254061.html Sent from

Re: Debug board v3 and neo1973 (gta01)

2009-02-01 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Le Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:31:30 +, | Andy Green a...@openmoko.com a écrit : | I would look at the flat cable carefully, the gold fingers at both | ends and the neck where it widens. First my flat cable

Re: Sephora 0.2 available

2009-02-01 Thread Davide Scaini
Ok! fixed! chatting with michele we solved this problem... I run sephora as a non-root user, but sephora to call fso framework needs superuser privileges... so right now, if you are a non-root user launch sephora as: sudo sephora. Michele promised a modified release soon... Thanks Michele! d On

Re: www.opkg.org - Repository Alpha

2009-02-01 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
It looks like that I can't install the following packages over the repository. Installing with opkg install http://opkg.org/foobar works better: I've tried opkg update before the installation so that shouldn't be a problem. Cannot find: zomg mofi xmahjongg segfault if tried to install over the

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Stroller
On 31 Jan 2009, at 22:53, arne anka wrote: The one thing I find absent in every design is a plain old phone keypad. Maybe a slider design to pull it out from underneath or such like. probably not what om likes -- but consider buying an unlocked g1 (android). with the android sources

Re: [debian] zhone not working

2009-02-01 Thread vale
hi thank you for your help, i have a .xsession file: #!/bin/sh export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so xfce4-session so nodm starts xfce4. On the desktop i have a starter for zhone: [Desktop Entry] Version=1.0 Encoding=UTF-8 Type=Application Name=Zhone Comment=Feature Phone UI

Re: Qt Extended update ?

2009-02-01 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 31 January 2009, Joerg Lippmann wrote: Am Montag 26 Januar 2009 schrieb HouYu Li: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: Does anyone know if there's any updates for Qt Extended in the pipeline ? I am looking forward to it. Does the

Re: Sephora 0.2 available

2009-02-01 Thread Michele Renda
On 01/02/2009 16:23, vale wrote: i had to apt-get install menu first then i was able to install sephora, which starts fine now! Yes, It has menu as dependency. Can you please check if all is ok with your menu? (expecially if you use xfce?) Thank you

Re: [debian] zhone not working

2009-02-01 Thread arne anka
i have a .xsession file: #!/bin/sh export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so xfce4-session well, i got /usr/bin/startxfce4 instead of xfce4-session, not sure what's the difference is, though. so nodm starts xfce4. meaning you get the full desktop? menu, taskbar, ...? if i start zhone from there

Re: Sephora 0.2-1 available

2009-02-01 Thread Michele Renda
Thanks to Davide report, I added some code to check if sephora is launched as superuser. You can find the new package to the same address: https://launchpad.net/sephora/+download If you experience, problems, errors or you want some new functionality please reply here! Best regards Michele

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread bytestore
Freerunner is my daily phone, my hobby,my freeing, my satisfaction its help me on the work (terminal, gps, gprs) se w300i is my second phone (only phone and photomaker) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Questions-about-the-usability-of-GTA02-tp2249982p2253518.html Sent

Re: Qt Extended update ?

2009-02-01 Thread Tomas Riveros Schober
Al Johnson escribió: On Saturday 31 January 2009, Joerg Lippmann wrote: Am Montag 26 Januar 2009 schrieb HouYu Li: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: Does anyone know if there's any updates for Qt Extended in the pipeline ? I

Re: [debian] e17 from fso repos

2009-02-01 Thread Mike Crash
Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: If someone interested, i have packaged e17 for debian, you can download it on www.mikecrash.com Maybe you are interested in helping debian pkg-e team in making official packages? Maybe, but i am not familiar with Debian way of packaging (looked at the

Re: [debian] compiling e17 for freerunner

2009-02-01 Thread Mike Crash
I have also no real problems compiling it. Only one bug in source, which i have fixed locally and compiled, it seems for svn inconsistancy. You can download it http://www.mikecrash.com/index.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloaddetailslid=73ttitle=Enlightenment_E17_Debian_armel_packages here

[SHR] FreeRunner suspends even when told not to do so

2009-02-01 Thread Jan Vlug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Even when I choose wrench (Settings) | Display | Power | Suspend After Blank | off The FreeRunner is suspending after the screen blanks when not connected to USB. How can I configure the FreeRunner to stay on? Automatically suspending makes making

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread Fernando Martins
arne anka wrote: systems. Since not many people are recommending reiserfs nowadays due to lack of maintenance, regardless of being considered better than ext2/3, ext3 remains as the choice. it's not only lack of maintenance and reiserfs is not considered to be better (by whom?)!

Re: No Sound on calls

2009-02-01 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/2/1 Ali alish...@interchange.ubc.ca: This happened to me using the latest andy tracking kernel uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking_2763b78dd365a140.bin on Debian. Also the phone would attempt to suspend but fail. After I switched back to the second latest one all was well. Do you mean

Re: [debian] compiling e17 for freerunner

2009-02-01 Thread Davide Scaini
...thanks mike, but i tried your all old packages with no success... i'll try this ones then i'll give you feedback. Can you precise which bug? thanks Robert and Mike d On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com wrote: I have also no real problems compiling it. Only one bug

Re: [debian] zhone not working

2009-02-01 Thread vale
arne anka wrote: i have a .xsession file: #!/bin/sh export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so xfce4-session well, i got /usr/bin/startxfce4 instead of xfce4-session, not sure what's the difference is, though. so nodm starts xfce4. meaning you get the full desktop? menu, taskbar, ...?

Re: [debian] compiling e17 for freerunner

2009-02-01 Thread Mike Crash
Davide Scaini wrote: ...thanks mike, but i tried your all old packages with no success... i'll try this ones then i'll give you feedback. Can you precise which bug? thanks Robert and Mike d it was in ewl_engine_evas_fb.c in: if (ev-double_click) clicks = 2; if

Re: [debian] zhone not working

2009-02-01 Thread vale
oh i found the problem it seems that xfwm4 doesn't start automatically, i don' know why. but if i start it from ssh export DISPLAY=:0 xfwm4 zhone starts then with title bar and everything is ok, keyboard has right size too ... someone knows where xfwm should be called? thanks vale -- View

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 13:31, Juergen Schinker ba1...@homie.homelinux.net wrote: please everyone who uses the freerunner as a daily phone always mention how e.g with which distribution software etc. i'm happy for everyone who does but i desperatly want to use it as well as a phone... I'm

Re: [debian] zhone not working

2009-02-01 Thread arne anka
it seems that xfwm4 doesn't start automatically yes, i suspected something like that. someone knows where xfwm should be called? normally, it should be started by startxfce4 as well. at a glance, there are several files startxfce checks for informations -- so either you could start xfwm

Re: [SHR] FreeRunner suspends even when told not to do so

2009-02-01 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Don't use the wrench, it configures Illume. I believe ophonekitd is responsible for suspending. Configure it through the settings GUI (/usr/bin/exposure.py) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: [SHR] FreeRunner suspends even when told not to do so

2009-02-01 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 20:00, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Don't use the wrench, it configures Illume. I believe ophonekitd is responsible for suspending. Configure it through the settings GUI (/usr/bin/exposure.py) Responsible for suspending is frameworkd. On

Re: [debian] zhone not working

2009-02-01 Thread vale
i had to remove the content .cache/sessions it seems that i managed somehow to save my session without xfwm4 running and from there on xfwm wasnt started again. now with all sessions removed it seems to start xfwm4 by default. thanks for your help it pointed me to the right direction :) good

Re: [SHR] FreeRunner suspends even when told not to do so

2009-02-01 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Unstable? Who said anything about unstable? I use Testing. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [SHR] FreeRunner suspends even when told not to do so

2009-02-01 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 20:20, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Unstable? Who said anything about unstable? I use Testing. :) And who said anything about testing? :P And... unstable is working better than testing ;] ___ Openmoko

Re: [SHR] FreeRunner suspends even when told not to do so

2009-02-01 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Somehow I'm not surprised... Is there a way to upgrade without flashing a new image? I'd rather not lose all my programs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [SHR] FreeRunner suspends even when told not to do so

2009-02-01 Thread Jan Vlug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johny Tenfinger wrote: | On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 20:00, The Digital Pioneer | digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: | Don't use the wrench, it configures Illume. I believe ophonekitd is | responsible for suspending. Configure it through the settings GUI

Set console to USB

2009-02-01 Thread Ivan Shirokoff
Hello. Can anybody tell me how can I actually use 'Set console to USB' on GTA02? Does it mean that I can use my FreeRunner console while it's not loaded? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

[SHR-Testing] 12-hour clock

2009-02-01 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Hi, guys. Does anyone know how to set the phone to use a 12-hour clock? I'm one of those weird Americans who don't like 24-hour clocks. :P -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread bytestore
Mmmm.. please vote you request in this site Freerunner as a daily phone? http://openmoko.spb.ru/viewtopic.php?f=4t=17 Which distribution you use on freerunner? http://openmoko.spb.ru/viewtopic.php?f=4t=16 -- View this message in context:

Re: [SHR] FreeRunner suspends even when told not to do so

2009-02-01 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 21:16, Jan Vlug jan.pub...@famvlug.nl wrote: For me it seems that I cannot change anything in Power management. There is no suspend in Timeouts either. It looks that you have some problem with frameworkd. Can you play with mdbus and test it?

[debian] opera mini .. ?

2009-02-01 Thread vale
Hi i tried this evening to get opera mini working with debian, i somehow managed to get it started, but it gets X to hang after some seconds :( If someone is interested how i got it to work: 1) install openjdk 2) get microemu (http://microemu.org/ , Java implementation of Java ME in Java SE)

Re: Sephora 0.2-1 available

2009-02-01 Thread vale
Michele Renda wrote: Thanks to Davide report, I added some code to check if sephora is launched as superuser. You can find the new package to the same address: https://launchpad.net/sephora/+download If you experience, problems, errors or you want some new functionality please

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Kosa
You forgot to put om2008.12 as an distro option, which is the most stable distro I've found. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - bytestore escribió: Mmmm.. please vote you request in this site Freerunner as a daily phone? http://openmoko.spb.ru/viewtopic.php?f=4t=17 Which distribution you

Re: Sephora 0.2-1 available

2009-02-01 Thread Michele Renda
On 01/02/2009 22:41, vale wrote: everything seems to work as it should, thank you :) If you refer to xfce - Menu it does work without problem, even if sephora is running. sephora is very helpfull for gprs :) only i have to run zhone to put the pin of the simcard before gprs can connect. is

Re: [SHR] XGlamo 240x320 no longer works

2009-02-01 Thread David Garabana Barro
O Domingo, 1 de Febreiro de 2009, Michael Sheldon escribiu: However with both the testing and stable SHR images XGlamo no longer seems to be able to switch to 240x320, I just get a corrupt, mostly white display until I switch back to 480x640 (both with xrandr at the command line and using

Re: [debian] zhone not working

2009-02-01 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2009/1/31 vale va...@gmx.de: hm now zhone starts fullscreen and i cant change back to the xfce desktop. is there some trick ? if i choose to exit zhone from zhone menu, it also kills x11 and shuts down debian :( I've got the same problem with fbpanel, set up as given in

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 06:11:58AM -0800, Tschaka wrote: So, again somebody is asking a question about usabilty. Please don't get me wrong, i actually browsed the mailing lists and wikis, but still there are some unsure things, and i'd like to have a bit more of a summarization. I'm

[FSO] Milestone 5?

2009-02-01 Thread Kosa
any news? Never tried FSO before, but I decided to give milestone 5 a try :) Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Gothnet
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: Why? What is it that you expect the Neo Freerunner to do that the other handheld devices out there won't? You will have noticed that pretty much all the unhappy users are those expecting the Neo Freerunner to be just another well polished smartphone. If

Re: [SHR-Testing] 12-hour clock

2009-02-01 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:13:47 -0600, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, guys. Does anyone know how to set the phone to use a 12-hour clock? I'm one of those weird Americans who don't like 24-hour clocks. :P {applies to all non-qtopia distros AFAIK} The clock is laid out in

London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-01 Thread Gothnet
Hello all, So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub meet on the 11th? I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to work :) So who's available and could

Re: [FSO] Milestone 5?

2009-02-01 Thread Richy
It's three days late and there are 6 tickets to go. I bet they are hard working on it. Just a few more days I hope. http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone5 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Hi, Am Sonntag, 1. Februar 2009 schrieb Fernando Martins: It is also important to note that ext is faster than FAT (benchmark, anyone?) but, most importantly, it supports permissions, which FAT doesn't. Of course, since FR is in general a single user device, the permissions might be not so

Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-01 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 15:03 +0100, arne anka wrote: systems. Since not many people are recommending reiserfs nowadays due to lack of maintenance, regardless of being considered better than ext2/3, ext3 remains as the choice. it's not only lack of maintenance and reiserfs is not considered

Re: [SHR] latest unstable does really work???

2009-02-01 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 03:18:10PM +0100, Alexandre Girard wrote: I can ssh but can't ping google.com from the OM, any idea? I've tried to set the ip of my gateway machine (192.168.0.200) in /etc/ Resolv.conf, with no success. route add default gw 192.168.0.200 -- Rask Ingemann

Re: [SHR-Testing] 12-hour clock

2009-02-01 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Sweet, thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread roguemoko
Gothnet wrote: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: Why? What is it that you expect the Neo Freerunner to do that the other handheld devices out there won't? You will have noticed that pretty much all the unhappy users are those expecting the Neo Freerunner to be just another well polished

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Sarton, this is a great mail, spot on, thank you very much. Wolfgang On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:27 PM, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: Gothnet wrote: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: Why? What is it that you expect the Neo Freerunner to do that the other handheld devices out there won't? You

Re: Set console to USB

2009-02-01 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Ivan Shirokoff ivanshirok...@gmail.com writes: Can anybody tell me how can I actually use 'Set console to USB' on GTA02? Does it mean that I can use my FreeRunner console while it's not loaded? It will let you access the boot loader command line over USB with something like picocom

Re: Questions about the usability of GTA02

2009-02-01 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:27 AM, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love my freerunner ... I really wish I could pimp it as a phone rather than just exclaiming look! it works! ... when quite often I realise I'm wrong ... after hitting answer 50 times and yelling at it to