Brian C writes:
Suggestion:
The rootfs should contain a resolv.conf that lists some
publicly-available dns servers so that people with new FreeRunners would
have a chance of getting net access without editing that file first.
Despite clear instructions on the wiki, this issue continues to cause
ian douglas writes:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Much better to get resolv.conf, along with IP address, from DHCP.
Typically, I'd agree -- except the Freerunner doesn't get its IP from
DHCP for the USB port, which is where pretty much all of the DNS
questions come from to the list (until GRPS starts
arne anka writes:
Yes, but I'd like it to use DHCP for its usb IP address, as well.
what stops you? the dhcp client will overwrite resolv.conf, then.
This is actually a reprise of a discussion a week or so ago -- as a
matter of fact, that is what I do. But, since it's not set up that way
in
Andrew Bennett writes:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Federico Lorenzi wrote:
Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash
memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2?
Sorry, I'm not up to speed on flash and file
Mikko Rauhala writes:
pe, 2008-07-11 kello 15:17 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti:
Well... using an inode-based filesystem like ext2 or ext3 is a really
bad idea, since you end up rewriting some of the blocks a *lot*.
Journalling the metadata, as ext3 does it, does make things even worse
as you
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes:
Fwiw, my take on that is @
http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/
Very good summary -- I'd really like to see the 2007.2 stack on top of
FSO...
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I for one definitely prefer GTK: as a toolkit I know and like it (in
fairness I haven't developed for qt -- I have GTK and especially
GTKmm), but in general I find I prefer the look of GTK-based apps
better).
I also felt the direction the phone was moving up until the ASU was
looking very good
Esben Stien writes:
Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based
OpenMoko
There will be a fork here at one point. There's a good bunch of us who
wants a standard GTK+ environment as the main guis' for the
phone. There's even
Guys, this is really, really off-topic in this forum. Please, the
list traffic is heavy enough with items that are germaine, let's not
get into this branch of politics
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Atilla Filiz writes:
Look who are sued:
Palm, Nokia, Aplle, Dell...
I thought most of them were doing this for years. :P
Any fisherman will tell you that you don't start reeling in when the
fish first nibbles the hook, you wait until they've had time to really
take a solid bite.
Patent trolls
Leonti Bielski writes:
Hi!
I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community?
It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the
topics you want and etc.
The main
Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable
and I can see no advatages of using
Ortwin Regel writes:
Pah, mailing lists are for old people. :P
Get off my lawn, youngster!
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ian douglas writes:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was
unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it.
TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and
I didn't even have my Neo with me at the time. I simply
Stroller writes:
On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Did you get a lower price on your contract than you would have with a
phone? Yes, they would have let me pay for a subsidized phone without
giving me the phone...
Where the heck are you?
To the British it is quite *obvious
Adilson Oliveira writes:
I'm quite sure the answer is no but as I didn't find any definitive
answer for that I decided to ask: does the openmoko hardware support 2
SIM cards?
Not at the same time. Only one holder.
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Kevin Dean writes:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
US. To me, it's quite obvious that a contract without a phone
*should* be cheaper, but that's a long way from is (it actually
worked out for the best, since I've had a working phne all these
months
This is splitting hairs at a level the attorneys I know would be
embarrassed to be a part of.
Kevin Dean writes:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Robert Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Dean wrote:
I'm an American and your statement confuses me. Why is it obvious
that a contract without a
Kevin Dean writes:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because the price of the free phone is bundled into the price of the
contract.
I don't think so. The only thing that changes in the deal is the
profit margin of the company. The costs of the mobile
Robert Taylor writes:
If the moko was subsidized out of pocket expense would be less because
the moko would be cheaper.
Well, yes, but when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was
unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it.
So the economics (as I faced them)
kosa writes:
I myself use Icedove, wich is some kind of Debian br
fork of Firefox (somehow firefox logos and others br
were not free enough and the Debian team decided br
to use the source and but not the name. It was funny br
they named Icedove after Firefox). Anyway, I wonder br
if the engine
Chris Wright writes:
Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity
hardware, I'm given to understand. If you wanted a phone with open
hardware, you'd probably be paying thousands for all the custom
components. Plus there's testing and certification for various parts,
which
geek writes:
Nokia N810 internet tablet...no openmoko...but mimo...good product with
community support..
But no phone, if I understand correctly.
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steve writes:
The stndard openmoko software has been frozen for RTM. a while back.
Which snapshot is that?
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elektrolott writes:
I really don't understand you people.
Instead of being happy that FIC sells their phones with a workable
app stack so that you can actually use the phone to make phone calls
and manage your contacts you rant here about toolkits although
many people have made it very clear that
Michael Shiloh writes:
I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited
my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The
important facts are that the new software:
* Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to Enlightenment (E17)
* Ported
Michael Shiloh writes:
Way off-topic, but the best alarm clock I've ever seen is one that
shoots a little flying disc out of the top when the alarm goes off. You
have to get out of bed, find the disc (perhaps this would encourage my
daughter to clean up her room before going to bed?), and
Michael Shiloh writes:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Michael Shiloh writes:
Way off-topic, but the best alarm clock I've ever seen is one that
shoots a little flying disc out of the top when the alarm goes off. You
have to get out of bed, find the disc (perhaps this would encourage my
daughter
Crane, Matthew writes:
Yea, I got the 32 number from another wikipedia page, I didn't infer it
from the name. I don't think it has much really to do with 32bits
either for that matter, likely the 32 was entirely a marketing
distinction.
No, the 32 means that the FAT entries are 32 bits (in
ian douglas writes:
There's another real-world game involving getting a marble through a
maze without dropping through holes by tilting the maze-board to get the
marble to the end of the maze.
http://www.amazon.com/none-CAR190-Labyrinth/dp/B0ISLL
Sounds like it'd be a good game for
ian douglas writes:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/none-CAR190-Labyrinth/dp/B0ISLL
Yeah, that's exactly the game I'm thinking of. I imagine implementing
the physics of it (roll the ball faster the more you tilt) might be a
bit tricky, but completely possible. We'd also have
ian douglas writes:
That's a pretty slick video.
I was thinking more of a top-down view of the wooden board that Joe sent
the Amazon link for, since the Freerunner won't have the same slick 3D
graphics that the Wii has ;o)
Absolutely -- the top-down view would add an incredible sense of
steve writes:
haha. this will make you laugh.
Not if you're a fisherman... though I've got rod holders I like a lot
better.
Like this in miniature mounted vertically on the back panel. backwoods geek!
http://www.rodmounts.com/
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Michael Shiloh writes:
How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck?
It's jest a real BIG stylus
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thomasg writes:
In IRC we were wondering why the Freerunner, being a USB-OTG-Host (according
to the OTG spec),
Will Freerunner be OTG? NEO could do either host or device, but
didn't follow OTG spec to do it.
only has a USB Mini-B interface (black jack).
This means that only USB-Mini-B cables
Mark writes:
This is a problem with the Nokia Internet Tablets as well. The main
feature of the USB-OTG spec is that it *automatically* puts the device
in host mode when the cable is inserted. (OTG compliant devices also
allow swapping host peripheral modes at any time during the
connection, but
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) writes:
Mhmhmh I've tried the two demos (with mouse, of course), but I've
some problems in writing on it... Expecially some lateral chars aren't
writtable to me... To write a c, for example, I've to make many tries,
and I guess they should be really more using a
Ortwin Regel writes:
On 4/11/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 11 April 2008 03:12:45 Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
It occurred to me as I was thinking about use cases that a setting in
which the phone would be on vibrate while vertical (as in clipped to
my belt) and ring
Tim Shannon writes:
Sounds like a good idea, except for people who carry their phone in a bag,
but definitely useful as an option nonetheless.
Sure -- I was careful to say *my* use!
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ramsesoriginal writes:
This topic was discussed a while ago, and I didn't heard anything
about it since then (but since I missed a month or two it can already
be clear by now.. I for myself don't know).
I am speaking about the synchronization between the phone and other
devise, could it be PC, a
It occurred to me as I was thinking about use cases that a setting in
which the phone would be on vibrate while vertical (as in clipped to
my belt) and ring when horizontal (as in lying on a table) would suit
my typical use about 99% of the time.
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On Tue, April 8, 2008 18:02, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Andy Green writes:
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| On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
| I think you're right, but just a thought if you could
Alexander Frøyseth writes:
Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on
400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and
googled to find it!
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Alexander Fr?yseth writes:
Why is it USB 1.1 on the neo, and not USB 2.0?
It is cheaper to buy a USB 2.0 cable, than a card reader.
The processor on the neo isn't able to support 2.0.
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Sebastian Billaudelle writes:
There is no such thing as an USB 2.0 cable. It is called USB
cable. There is no difference between a cable used for USB 1.0, 1.1
or 2.0.
Yes, there is! With USB 1.x you afaik can use longer cables! But
normally you are right. For normal use there is no difference!
Paolo Cavallini writes:
Vincent ha scritto:
Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't
quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and
stuff.
??
Congratulations -- you got one!
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Andy writes:
Carbon Fiber can also be conductive and can create a Faraday cage, so be
careful!
I'm actually trying to remember if I've ever seen transparent carbon
fiber...
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Nick Guenther writes:
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 17:46:28 Tilman Baumann wrote:
Nils Faerber wrote:
Fax is dead.
yep, instead one should start to see printers with a built in mailing system
so that one could
I'd guess Chris Casual doesn't hate the command line, he or she isn't
aware that there is a command line. The Chrises of the world don't
really expect a good user manual, they expect to not need one.
JW writes:
Hi All
Do you have comments about the Wiki Personas now described here?
Nils Faerber writes:
Isn't this already a problem?
From what I know especially in the US patent system you are *forced* to
actively defend your patent, i.e. if you get to know that someone uses
your patent and is not paying you roayalties (or you get an alternative
commercial advantage like cross
Jonathan Spooner writes:
So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum
from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to court?
Then just do it! Its in everyones interest not to see openmoko taken
down so I'd imagine anyone here with an ounce of sense would not have a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How about insted of worrying about the way it's encoded we just write
it January
1, 2008. I think that's pretty much standard.
In the US, it's standard. Pretty much any other place in the world,
it's non-standard.
The ISO representation is standard (by definition),
Barry Steele writes:
I am looking on the Openmoko site, but I would really appreciate any advice.
Take a look at the instructions at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko
(I noticed several people told you to flash it, but I didn't notice
anybody telling you how!)
Lorn Potter writes:
andy selby wrote:
u, better programming API? ;)
No, openmoko uses GTK.
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Michael Shiloh writes:
Now what would a steampunk phone look like?
I really, really like what might be a called a restrained steampunk
style. Something like the existing black/silver case, with a wood
veneer in place of black and brass-bound for the silver.
Schmidt András writes:
You are absolutely right! I couldn't catch any meaning of the post.
Maybe the guy who wrote it should have some mental treatment. Or is it
funny?
Looking at some other takezero.net posts, they all read like that.
Some of them (like
What exactly do you mean by noise? I've noticed an objectionable
hum; is that it?
(just finding out what's been reported -- no, I don't have a fix)
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Gabriel Ambuehl writes:
On Wednesday 26 December 2007 21:11:18 Michael Shiloh wrote:
The main reason IIRC is that some of the chips came with NDAs that
prevent us from doing so.
You have chips in the case? oOOOo
Well, the original request was phrased strangely -- the case wouldn't
*have*
Jay Vaughan writes:
The question I have about this is how do we connect USB devices to
the neo? Isn't it so that the USB Host port is only on the debug
board? If so, thats mighty fidgety to plug in and get set up with a
USB hub and so .. I must confess I have cursed at the ribbon cable
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have a neo1973 and I wish I could connect it to my Laptop in order
to access the internet ( I use Ubuntu 7.10 ).
I followed this page on the wiki
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking but nothing... my neo
won't connect to the internet! Everything seems ok but
Jay Vaughan writes:
My first problem when I tried setting up networking was that my home
network is 192.168.0.x, and of course the NEO wants 192.168.0.202. So
the first thing I did was to edit the NEO's /etc/network/interfaces to
use IP 192.168.200.202, with gateway 192.168.200.200. I also
If your network was 192.168.1.x to start with, you shouldn't have had
to modify that.
What exactly isn't working? Are you able to ping the phone from your
laptop? Does your laptop have a usb0 network device after plugging in
the NEO?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think so... neo's dns is 192.168.200.200
Is it wrong?
Almost certainly. That's the DNS address I used, because I've got a
DNS server on my laptop. You should set NEO's DNS to the same DNS as
your laptop goes to.
Also -- make sure you've got ip forwarding and NAT
Ian Darwin writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too.
But I can't connect to the internet: ...
We had two different responses:
1) Mickey concluded it must be resolv.conf;
2) Dr. Schaller concluded the notebook doesn't have
IP forwarding turned on.
Jay Vaughan writes:
Something I haven't investigated -- could the NEO do dhcp?
yes - in fact i'm using this to avoid all the hassles with my
network .. ipkg install udhcpd should give you what you need ..
Thanks -- I'll have to play with that.
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I don't think discussing this here would be considered an open
disclosure.
Talking on a finite list or limited membership with moderation and thus
controlled membership is not necessarily open disclosure and not the
same as a public printing therefore I think it would still be
Thanks for the update -- this is very helpful!
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Edwin Lock writes:
Exactly, North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of
the world uses 900/1900.
And without 850 you won't have coverage in North America in a lot of places,
so practically it won't work.
Lucky I like in the Netherlands:)
I thought US was 850/1900, ROTW was
Michael Shiloh writes:
The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only
support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead
we support 900/1800/1900MHz.
How does the board layout affect the supported bands? Is it a jumper
or something?
Michael Shiloh writes:
How does the board layout affect the supported bands? Is it a jumper
or something?
Would that it were a jumper. Unfortunately it's much more complicated:
it's a combination of circuit, components, firmware, and certification.
Drat -- when firmware gets into it, it
Lalo Martins writes:
Also spracht Kero van Gelder (Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:03:08 +0200):
I noticed that too. Maybe the panel applets process needs to run under
a supervisor that will restart it?
Nah, they (or one of them, since I think it's one application) should
simply not crash.
Doug Parker writes:
Excuse my repeat request, but is there any way to add a blank newline after
the SUBJECT: line in the email postings? It would make all of the lists a
lot easier to scan.
In a word, no -- or if it is possible, it wouldn't be a good idea.
What you're asking for is special
Tim Shannon writes:
So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an get
a new account with ATT or T-Mobile?
Mine works with a T-Mobile SIM (non 3G).
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August (got it when my Neo arrived).
Tim Shannon writes:
How new is your account?
On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim Shannon writes:
So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an
get
a new account with ATT or T-Mobile?
Mine works with a T
ian douglas writes:
The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My
ATT SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers that
will not work.
The version number on my (working) T-Mobile SIM is 37.05A. Just
another data point...
)
the one I got middle of last month works... even with the 3G fireball on it
On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ian douglas writes:
The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My
ATT SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers
Kyle Bassett writes:
I agree. Palm OS experiences the same kind of lag in certain cases.
That's really sad. One of the real strengths of the old versions of
PalmOS (and the applications developed for it) was that interaction
was instantaneous -- in almost all cases, what you wanted happened
Ben Burdette writes:
That's really sad. One of the real strengths of the old versions of
PalmOS (and the applications developed for it) was that interaction
was instantaneous -- in almost all cases, what you wanted happened
right away, and in the few exceptions, you were notified immediately
Michael Schmidt writes:
On 9/16/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can install Qt if you like, but you cannot assume that all users
will do that. Qt takes a lot of space
Qt is the future, would it be possible to pre-install the open libraries?
Or aren t the needed
Harald Welte writes:
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:31:00PM +0100, Giles Jones wrote:
Seems like an odd choice of unit then for an open source phone.
So are you claiming the open source drivers that we are writing are not
open source, merely by the fact that we are writing them? Using this
Igor Foox writes:
When I first booted the phone after flashing the kernel + rootfs, I
didn't calibrate the touch screen properly, and then when trying to
mess around with the stylus I somehow managed to mess up the gnome
theme.
The current state is that there are no icons showing up and instead I
Roland Dreier writes:
I just got my Your order has shipped! email (yay!), but the UPS
tracking number included showed a package signed for by Mike (not my
name) in San Ramon, CA, (not where my address is). Did that happen to
anyone else?
I'm afraid that the last time UPS showed a package of mine
Brad Midgley writes:
it mounts on /media/card if it has a supported filesystem (fat/ext2)
Ah. The problem was I'd installed a rootfs but not a new kernel, so I
didn't have any modules. New kernel - access to micro-sd.
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Giles Jones writes:
Are you policing this project for violations?
Look, he pointed out a potential trademark issue, which will have to
be considered if some sort of ungraffiti is to be distributed. There
really isn't any reason to keep going on about it.
This is addressed to people who have successfully navigated t-mobile's
thicket: wouldn't it be nice if their web page gave good, complete,
technical information?
Anyway, my reading of their page is that to get web access on the
phone I need to add their T-MobileWeb service, but I don't need
Dan Trevino writes:
I have their $5.99 internet plan working with my unsupported Treo 680.
After reading the posts to howardforums (thanks Adam!), I have to ask:
when you say it's working, does that mean you can go to an arbitrary
URL and see what's there?
Not physically -- I had no problem plugging it into the phone. But
where does it appear to the software? where is it in /dev? Is it
automatically mounted at boot time? What's the mountpoint?
Foolish question, I know...
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Nkoli writes:
The only difference between T-Mobile Web and T-Mobile Internet on the phone
is that T-Mobile Internet allows VPN while T-Mobile Web doesn't. You can
access any arbitrary html or wap site on your phone with both plans. I've
been using the cheaper plan since their t-zones unlimited
David \Lefty\ Schlesinger writes:
Graffiti (as it pertains to handwriting systems) is a registered
trademark of ACCESS Systems Americas, not a generic term; you want to
find some alternate terminology.
Sorry, gotta point it out, it's part of my job...
Much as I've liked Graffiti on my Palm...
Michael Welter writes:
So, who are they going to sue???
Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on
it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a
result.
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Harrison Metzger writes:
Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card
(the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular
ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I dont care if it does 2g, I would
like for my att sim card to work in the phone.
Krzysztof Kajkowski writes:
Mine isn't shipped yet ;(
Mine shipped last night. Currently between San Pablo CA and
Albuquerque, NM. ETA is Monday.
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Myk Melez writes:
Update: I just received a payment received message. It says they'll
send out my order ASAP and will notify me again when it's been sent.
Sounds like it'll go out too late for me to receive it before heading
off for OSCON tomorrow afternoon, unfortunately.
That would be my
Giles Jones writes:
Florent THIERY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Interesting blog post when you consider the custom cases possibility:
http://trevors-trinkets.blogspot.com/2007/07/five-finger-keyboards.html
Always better sticking with the convention 0-9 abc def type keyboard. Anything
Jason Elwell writes:
http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html
Thanks for posting that -- certainly whetted my appetite.
It's also interesting that the author of the article didn't quite
understand which decisions have been made, and which are pending: he
didn't seem to
Giles Jones writes:
Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
I'd much sooner see OLED buttons where the text can change to suit the
task.
Those are quite expensive per.
True, we're not talking about this model or the next.
I would sooner see a limited number of adaptable keys than 5 fairly
Marco Barreno writes:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 10:42:01PM +0200, thus spake Andreas Kostyrka:
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and headers for messages from heaven.kostyrka.org that were sent
duplicate?
Joe Pfeiffer writes:
Marco Barreno writes:
On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 10:42:01PM +0200, thus spake Andreas Kostyrka:
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Ok, putting on my Postmaster hat, could you please provide Message Ids
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Joe Friedrichsen writes:
On 7/22/07, Mickael Faivre-Macon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about creating a google group ?
You can still receive each mail individually if you want, or watch it
as a forum.
Everybody is happy.
And have the threaded view for those that want it. You can view flat as
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